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ivanl
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Posted - 14/06/2017 : 16:34:41
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quote: Originally posted by alexts
Nikako se reč "marvel" iz pesme ne odnosi na izdavački kuću Marvel.
Čak i da je to neko rekao (a nije niko nikada) to je bilo zezanje na koje treba da si stvarno naivan pa da nasedneš.
Tja, tvrdis nije niko rekao... a ja i jos nas dvadesetak to citali onomad i zivo komentirali spornu rijec, koju su clanovi benda "objasnili". A upravo zato sto smo stripove obozavali onda, isto kao i danas. Ajde neka... |
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 14/06/2017 : 19:18:24
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quote: Originally posted by teller
volim te retro stripove...ali ne baš toliko.
Nemoj tako, moraš dati ovom Kuguaru šansu kada ga netko počne izdavati (po mogućnosti Agarthi ili Mirabilis), pogotovo ako je u istom rangu sa Magičnim Vjetrom.  |
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vronski 3
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Posted - 14/06/2017 : 20:46:26
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quote: Originally posted by DODSFERD
quote: Originally posted by teller
volim te retro stripove...ali ne baš toliko.
Nemoj tako, moraš dati ovom Kuguaru šansu kada ga netko počne izdavati (po mogućnosti Agarthi ili Mirabilis), pogotovo ako je u istom rangu sa Magičnim Vjetrom. 
Čuo sam da će te Živadin iz Mirabilisa angažovati za portparola, kaže treba mu tako pametan strip poznavalac... |
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mladjo
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vronski 3
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Posted - 14/06/2017 : 20:56:38
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quote: Originally posted by mladjo
Ajmo mir.
Da, ajmo mir kad ja reagujem na provokaciju ali nema ajmo mir kad mene neko zajebava!
Koliko puta već viđena situacija na ovom forumu... |
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vronski 3
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Dukidule
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Posted - 14/06/2017 : 21:32:43
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Vronski, pa zašto nisi odmah otvorio poll "Da li ste za ponovno oživljavanje Džonija" pa bi i sam vidio rezultat? Puno jasniji od ponekih izjava nekolicine pristalica nostalgičara koji se svako malo ponavljalju pa tako, uz nepažljivo preljetanje topica, daju dojam da su mnogi oduševljeni tom idejom.
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 14/06/2017 : 21:42:39
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Nije zajebavanje kada kažem da ovaj strip nitko neće izdavati, to sam htio reći spominjući ona 2 propala izdavača i ništa više. Guranje Magičnog Vjetra u isti rang sa ovim Panterom meni je smiješno, a to su neki ovdje već napomenuli. Cijeli ovaj topic ionako nitko nije shvatio ozbiljno pa nije na odmet malo se našaliti, ako ti to ne vidiš onda to nije moj problem. I na kraju da ponovim ako će ti biti lakše, ovo sigurno nitko neće izdavati jer kada nije prošao MV neće ni Panter. |
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Obi-wan
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Posted - 14/06/2017 : 21:58:05
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quote: Originally posted by vronski 3
Što se mene tiče ja više sa Dodsferdom neću ulaziti u polemiku ali to isto očekujem i od njega.
Vratimo se Džoniju...
Nije ovaj topic o Džoniju nego o tebi. Za Džonija ljudima puca patka. S druge strane, ti si stvarno poseban. |
What you call sanity, it’s just a prison in your minds that stops you from seeing that you’re just tiny little cogs in a giant absurd machine. |
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vronski 3
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Posted - 14/06/2017 : 22:12:03
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Ne znam otkud ta čvrsta uverenost da Džonija neće nijedan izdavač da objavi na ovim prostorima?
Da li je na primer mogao neko i da pomisli pre samo godinu ili dve da će se krenuti sa Timom i Dastijem ili Belom i Bronkom... |
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alexts
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Posted - 14/06/2017 : 22:15:38
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Pravo je pitanje - Zašto se na topiku o Džoni Panteru javlja toliko ljudi (i sa takvom ostrašćenošću), koje Džoni Panter uopšte ne interesuje - Dukidule, DODSFERD, ivanl, Obi-wan...??
Ne vidim racionalno objašnjenje, bar ne u vezi stripa konkretno.
Pre je to odnos prema pokretaču topika, što Obi-wan i priznaje u postu iznad.
Ne bi trebalo da se stripovske diskusije temelje na ličnim odnosima forumaša. |
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vronski 3
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Posted - 14/06/2017 : 22:20:02
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quote: Originally posted by alexts
Pravo je pitanje - Zašto se na topiku o Džoni Panteru javlja toliko ljudi (i sa takvom ostrašćenošću), koje Džoni Panter uopšte ne interesuje - Dukidule, DODSFERD, ivanl, Obi-wan...??
Ne vidim racionalno objašnjenje, bar ne u vezi stripa konkretno.
Pre je to odnos prema pokretaču topika, što Obi-wan i priznaje u postu iznad.
Ne bi trebalo da se stripovske diskusije temelje na ličnim odnosima forumaša.
Ma pusti ih, to su sve moji fanovi i ja ih obožavam!!!!       |
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Obi-wan
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Posted - 14/06/2017 : 22:25:53
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quote: Originally posted by alexts
Pravo je pitanje - Zašto se na topiku o Džoni Panteru javlja toliko ljudi (i sa takvom ostrašćenošću), koje Džoni Panter uopšte ne interesuje - Dukidule, DODSFERD, ivanl, Obi-wan...??
Ne vidim racionalno objašnjenje, bar ne u vezi stripa konkretno.
Pre je to odnos prema pokretaču topika, što Obi-wan i priznaje u postu iznad.
Ne bi trebalo da se stripovske diskusije temelje na ličnim odnosima forumaša.
Sa željom da se uklopim u ljudsko društvo što mi nikada nije bilo lako, uvijek sam u potrazi za pokretačkim silama koje nas gone naprijed. Da bih se što bolje socijalizirao, pokušavam razumjeti druge ljude. Neke je lakše razumjeti, neke teže, neke nikako. Pa mi je između ostalog zanimljivo šta ljudi vide u ovom stripu koji je za mene osobno čista nula (0). Ne osuđujem naravno, samo sam znatiželjan... |
What you call sanity, it’s just a prison in your minds that stops you from seeing that you’re just tiny little cogs in a giant absurd machine. |
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alexts
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Posted - 14/06/2017 : 22:40:10
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quote: Originally posted by Obi-wan
quote: Originally posted by alexts
Pravo je pitanje - Zašto se na topiku o Džoni Panteru javlja toliko ljudi (i sa takvom ostrašćenošću), koje Džoni Panter uopšte ne interesuje - Dukidule, DODSFERD, ivanl, Obi-wan...??
Ne vidim racionalno objašnjenje, bar ne u vezi stripa konkretno.
Pre je to odnos prema pokretaču topika, što Obi-wan i priznaje u postu iznad.
Ne bi trebalo da se stripovske diskusije temelje na ličnim odnosima forumaša.
Sa željom da se uklopim u ljudsko društvo što mi nikada nije bilo lako, uvijek sam u potrazi za pokretačkim silama koje nas gone naprijed. Da bih se što bolje socijalizirao, pokušavam razumjeti druge ljude. Neke je lakše razumjeti, neke teže, neke nikako. Pa mi je između ostalog zanimljivo šta ljudi vide u ovom stripu koji je za mene osobno čista nula (0). Ne osuđujem naravno, samo sam znatiželjan...
Vrlo dobro znaš da su "čista nula" i Mark, Blek, Miki, Kit Teler...
Tako da je pitanje stvarno suvišno.
(Nemoj sad da upadamo u rasprave, ni međusobno, ni sa drugima, kako ovi stripovi "ipak imaju nešto" , a Panter nema itd.)
Ja kad sam čitao kao klinac Eks almanahe, (brojeve od 400-499), zbog Spajdermena, Frankenštajna, Drakule i dr. stripova, uglavnom Marvel/DC proizvodnje, davao sam iste te brojeve drugima na čitanje.
Kad bi ih pitao šta im se svidelo, dobijao bi odgovor da im je najdraži bio Džoni Panter, koga sam ja u tom uzrastu već preskakao sa čitanjem.
Ali, manje zahtevna publika, a to je baš ona koja je uživala u Bonelijevim i essegesse kreacijama tog vremena, nije imala ništa protiv Džoni Pantera - naprotiv.
To je više nego dobar razlog da se o ovom, nekada u SFRJ, popularnom stripu, opet proćaska.
Bez zlobnih komentara tipa - Vronski, džabe si otvarao topik, niko nikada ne bi kupio taj strip, ni 5 ljudi, HA HA HA... |
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 14/06/2017 : 22:49:53
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Da razjasnim, nemam ništa protiv Vronskog, čak mislim da se njegovo ponašanje jako popravilo od kako se vratio sa godišnje kazne.  A zašto mislim da Pantera nitko neće izdavati? Jednostavno zato jer ga nije objavljivao Dnevnik, pa nema puno nostalgičara koji bi ga uzimali i izdavači su vjerojatno svjesni toga. Eto, ja sam za taj strip čuo tek na ovom forumu prije nekog vremena kada ga je spomenuo Jozzineli. S druge strane, stripovi kao Blek i Miki (koji su također naivni, to treba priznati) imaju tu prednost da ih je objavljivao Dnevnik pa je za njih čuo puno veći krug ljudi. Sadašnja Ludens izdanja tih stripova egzistiraju samo zbog tih nostalgičara koji ih uzimaju, inače bi bili brzo ugašeni. Što se tiče Belle & Bronca, taj strip ima jako malo epizoda pa je izdavač mogao riskirati s njime i objaviti ga u cijelosti. Ne znam koliko epizoda ima Panter, vjerojatno puno jer vidim da je izlazio ravno 23 godine (ako su informacije točne) i zato je puno veći rizik za potencijalnog izdavača koji bi se usudio krenuti s njime.
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alexts
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Posted - 14/06/2017 : 22:59:50
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Ma Panter ne zaslužuje više od jednog - dva izdanja sa izborom najboljih epizoda.
Ako remek-dela kao Porodica Tarana ili Krazy Kat, kod nas, nisu dobila više od po jednog Best-of izdanja, nije šteta ni ako Džoni Panter ne bude imao sabrana hronološka dela.
Ipak, vi koji ste unapred protiv toga, ne morate se plašiti da će neki izdavač ovdašnji krenuti sa Džonijem, jer ne postoje strana izdanja, rekao bih ni engleska, sa reprintima ovog junaka.
Domaći izdavači retko ulaze sami prvi u nešto, ako već ne postoje inostrana izdanja kao uzor ili koja bi se čak i preslikala. |
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Dukidule
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Posted - 14/06/2017 : 23:14:17
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E pa kad su se već (pored mene) prozvani Obi-Wan i Dodsferd izjasnili, ne bih ni ja da ostanem dužan odgovora.
quote: Originally posted by Obi-wan
Sa željom da se uklopim u ljudsko društvo što mi nikada nije bilo lako, uvijek sam u potrazi za pokretačkim silama koje nas gone naprijed. Da bih se što bolje socijalizirao, pokušavam razumjeti druge ljude. Neke je lakše razumjeti, neke teže, neke nikako. Pa mi je između ostalog zanimljivo šta ljudi vide u ovom stripu koji je za mene osobno čista nula (0). Ne osuđujem naravno, samo sam znatiželjan...
Eto i kod mene je slično, osim želje za pomenutim uklapanjem i socijalizacijom, jer smatram da sam taj proces već neko vrijeme prošao - i dovršio. Valjda baš nekako u to doba dok su tadašnji vršnjaci pred trafikama danima čekali osvanuće Eks almanaha sa Džonijem. A ne bih tvrdio ni to da je u pitanju neka znatiželja, jer serijal stripa mi je jako dobro poznat, naglašavam - poznat. Možda je više u pitanju neki oblik nade - u to da i na mene konačno preskoči neka iskrica fascinacije ponovo raspaljenog žara na starom ognjištu Tigera, pardon, Pantera.
A pošto se i ja ubrajam u vatrene fanove (simpatizere) pokretača topica, taman super sve se poklopilo (simpatija + nada = moguća novootkrivena strast).
P.S. Bez šale, i meni je Vronjski sasvim ok. |
Za koga ja navijam samo je moja stvar. A ljubav je jedna, jedina... |
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vronski 3
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Vlladimir
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Posted - 15/06/2017 : 09:52:04
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Au bre ljudi, koji je ovo pajdomanski lik... Imam epizodu kad on kundakom od puške otvara zamku za medvede, i prisutni su neki Big futovi što izgledaju ko Patrik Kilpatrik iz scanner copa 2. Radnja je grdja nego Skubi Du i Skrepi Du show. Još i njegov dijalog, ko kromanjonac... pa pingvin i neki ko Magnus što izgleda, kao sajdkikovi... strašno. nema sumnje da su se crtač i scenarista prekidali gljivama dok su radili na ovom stripu.
Smatram da bi izdavanje integrala YUPI STARSA bilo mnogo bitnije i vrednije , što za upoznavanje mladjih narastaja sa ex-yu stripom, što za trganje domaće zaostavštine od zabarova, umesto da se bacaju pare na izdavanje ove budalaštine. |
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vronski 3
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ivanl
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Posted - 15/06/2017 : 11:29:23
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quote: Originally posted by alexts
Pravo je pitanje - Zašto se na topiku o Džoni Panteru javlja toliko ljudi (i sa takvom ostrašćenošću), koje Džoni Panter uopšte ne interesuje - Dukidule, DODSFERD, ivanl, Obi-wan...??
Ne vidim racionalno objašnjenje, bar ne u vezi stripa konkretno.
Pre je to odnos prema pokretaču topika, što Obi-wan i priznaje u postu iznad.
Ne bi trebalo da se stripovske diskusije temelje na ličnim odnosima forumaša.
Pa hajd, da se i cetvrti prozvani odazove... Prvo u vezi racionalnosti, sto navodis; Ja uopce nisam diskutirao o Cougaru, samo sam rekao da ga se sjecam i da niposto, ne daj boze ga spominjati u drustvu Magicnog... Drugo, a u svezi pokretaca diskusije, ja gospodina ne poznajem, ali sad mi se vec svida njegova uporna gorljivost u obrani Johnny-a. I trece imao sam "raspravu" s mr. Bushidom, pa ako je i bila "strastvena" kako kazes, ja se pitam kakva bi trebala biti? Pa stripovima i pristupamo strasno ,ovo je mjesto za to. I za kraj, mr. Bushido brani svoja gledista, (iako su opozitna s mojim), i ja mu priznajem taj zar i dosljednost. Kako rekoh, ovo je pravo a bogami i jedino mjesto za to. Kamo srece kad bi se ovaj site i koristio samo za raspravu o stripovima, a ne za bulaznjenja, osobne frustracije, politiku i sorry na izrazu, pizdarije. |
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ivanl
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Posted - 15/06/2017 : 11:32:52
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quote: Originally posted by vronski 3
Može i Yupi Stars, nije to bio loš strip...
Brale, da Yupi stars, di ste samo to izvukli? A vis, sican se i toga... |
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Vlladimir
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Posted - 15/06/2017 : 11:53:09
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quote: Originally posted by ivanl
Kamo srece kad bi se ovaj site i koristio samo za raspravu o stripovima, a ne za bulaznjenja, osobne frustracije, samo Zagora, politiku i sorry na izrazu, pizdarije - nasred kancelarije.
Slažem se u potpunosti brate. A ako nam ponestane tema o stripu, možemo i neke skečeve da pravimo.
A ovi vulgarni nek nastave da viču kurac, pičko, zagor i to. |
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 15/06/2017 : 13:01:41
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quote: Originally posted by Vlladimir
Au bre ljudi, koji je ovo pajdomanski lik... Imam epizodu kad on kundakom od puške otvara zamku za medvede, i prisutni su neki Big futovi što izgledaju ko Patrik Kilpatrik iz scanner copa 2. Radnja je grdja nego Skubi Du i Skrepi Du show. Još i njegov dijalog, ko kromanjonac... pa pingvin i neki ko Magnus što izgleda, kao sajdkikovi... strašno. nema sumnje da su se crtač i scenarista prekidali gljivama dok su radili na ovom stripu.
Možda je u pitanju bila gljiva bljuvara, a njezin opis je sljedeći ''Površina je vlažna i ljepljiva, meso je bijelo, pod kožicom klobuka crveno''. https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bljuvara |
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