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ivanl
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Croatia
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Posted - 06/12/2019 : 18:32:52
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Jest. Cudni su putevi gospodnji, pa makar i dizalom,(liftom), do pakla i nazad...nije na nama, ni do nas... |
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kifi
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Posted - 08/12/2019 : 17:08:49
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Nemam pojma gdje ste vi kupili Dizalo za pakao, ja u Ludbregu našao Lift za pakao, a možda je kolekcionarski...
Najava za maxi DD
Dylan Dog maxi:................020 Ja ubijam, ti ubijas - ...................................Trenutak umiranja - ...................................Price iz podzemlja,..............49,00 kn (30.10.2019)
e nije Ja ubijam, ti ubijaš Umirući trenutak Podzemne pripovijesti
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Tornadomaster
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Bosnia and Herzegovina
2514 Posts
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Posted - 08/12/2019 : 19:01:27
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quote: Originally posted by kifi
Nemam pojma gdje ste vi kupili Dizalo za pakao, ja u Ludbregu našao Lift za pakao, a možda je kolekcionarski...
Najava za maxi DD
Dylan Dog maxi:................020 Ja ubijam, ti ubijas - ...................................Trenutak umiranja - ...................................Price iz podzemlja,..............49,00 kn (30.10.2019)
e nije Ja ubijam, ti ubijaš Umirući trenutak Podzemne pripovijesti
  Kakav plot twist! |
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Dexters
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Croatia
1526 Posts
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Posted - 08/12/2019 : 21:22:51
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quote: Originally posted by Sarghan
Dame i gospodo, jedan od najboljih DD ikada.
Uputa za one koji ovu priču čitaju prvi put (OBAVEZNO bez googlanja o dojmovima):
1) Pročitati strip bez ikakvih prethodnih saznanja, bez googlanja i slično.
2) Nakon čitanja, zapitati se "koji qrac sam to upravo pročitao? Kakvo je ovo smeće?!"
3) Detaljno proučiti tumačenje u ovom legendarnom i nezaobilaznom topicu: http://forum.stripovi.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=28909 (NIPOŠTO prije)
4) Pročitati opet strip
5) *mindblown*

Meni je broj sto bio prilično jasan, istina nakon dva čitanja, međutim ova priča je sasvim nova dimenzija u zbunjivanju čitatelja. Leo Charm (s tvog linka) je napisao prilično detaljan osvrt kojeg preporučam svima. Pročitao sam ga, ima tu kvalitetnih zapažanja, iako je neke stvari bazirao na fanovskim teorijama poput Paolinog bockanja Sclavija u "Preko praga" (što je ona opovrgnula te ponudila drukčije objašnjenje simbolike) i Sclavijevom navodnoj osveti budući da mu nisu dopustili okončanje serijala (što je trdnja koju je gotovo nemoguće dokazati).
Možemo se čak i šaliti te reći da je Sclavi prolupao, ali ovo definitivno nije za usputno čitanje zbog izuzetno složenog scenarističkog pristupa kojeg krasi simbolika takvog kalibra da je ovo zapravo prilično unikatan strip u Sclavijevom opusu. Što se tiče presude strašnog suda- Leo tvrdi smrt. Poslužit će...barem kao polazna osnova :D |
Edited by - Dexters on 09/12/2019 17:20:52 |
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Sarghan
stripovi.com suradnik
   

Croatia
1824 Posts
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Posted - 09/12/2019 : 16:22:39
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Ustvari, u VČ izdanju na kraju ove priče imaš dodatak sa sažetijom i formalnijom verzijom tog Leovog tumačenja bez ovih spornih fanovskih teorija. Mada, u globalu je približno isto tumačenje, što ne čudi s obzirom da je autor tumačenja i tog dodatka ista osoba. 
quote: Originally posted by Dexters
Poslužit će...barem kao polazna osnova :D
Jel ja to njušim recenziju u pripremi?  |
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Dexters
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Croatia
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Posted - 09/12/2019 : 17:19:31
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Ma ne, za sad mi se to čini kao prevelik zalogaj. Možda jednom kad se dojmovi slegnu i izvjesne stvari razbistre, jer nije sad sve simbolika. Dosta je tu elemenata koji su samo u službi izgradnje kafkijanske atmosfere. Svršetak stripa je jako čudan. |
Edited by - Dexters on 09/12/2019 17:20:22 |
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Whetherpine
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Croatia
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Deers
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Croatia
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Dexters
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Croatia
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Posted - 11/12/2019 : 21:20:45
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quote: Originally posted by Whetherpine
Dali je to zadnja epizoda o Dylanu koju je napisao Sclavi?
Ne, sljedeća je original 362- Poslje duge tišine (izdao VČ). Ova je epizoda ipak svojevrsni kraj Sclavijevog mini povratka kojeg čine: Ukronija, Ubojica je među nama, Marty, Lift za pakao. |
Edited by - Dexters on 11/12/2019 21:21:12 |
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Barker
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Fyro Macedonia
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Deers
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Croatia
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Spock
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Croatia
7794 Posts
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Posted - 12/12/2019 : 13:01:23
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Baš kao i Sarghan, najprije bih svima preporučio da obvezno nakon čitanja (ne prije) pročitaju ovaj topic: http://forum.stripovi.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=28909 , posebno tumačenje člana "Leo Charma", koji je i autor popratnog teksta ove epizode u izdanju Veselog Četvrtka. U biti, taj tekst je skraćena i ušminkana verzija ovog tumačenja s linka poviše!
Što sad napisati nakon što je netko to već tako temeljito rasčlanio? Sve što napišem će biti ponavljanje ili puko potvrđivanje već napisanog. Možda samo svoj dojam i kratki zaključak?
SPOILERI - Čitati tek nakon pročitane epizode!!
Po meni, ovo je vrhunska epizoda, kompletno finale dosadašnjeg Sclavijeva opusa u ovom serijalu. To je to - zadnja epizoda! Sclavi je sve rekao ovim djelom. Dylan je mrtav! Ubio ga je!
Znam da je dosta kasnije ponovno napisao nekoliko radova na Dylanu i baš me zanima na što to liči, posebno epizoda #362: Nakon duge tišine.
U svemu se slažem sa Sclavijem po pitanju ovog serijala. S ostalim scenaristima, Dylan Dog je potpuno izgubio originalan Scavijev smjer i u načelu riječ je o životarenju bez smisla. Samo Barbatine epizode su mi na zadovoljavajućoj razini (uz poneku izvrsnu), ali u globalu je to katastrofa. Znam da ima članova koji i dalje (s uzbuđenjem) prate Recchionijev preporod Dylana, ali nije to za mene. Ponovno sam odustao od serijala nakon nekoliko pročitanih epizoda tog (navodnog) preporoda.
Zato ovdje njegov tvorac kaže dosta! Sclavi u vidu doktora (koji liči na Xabarasa - Dylanova oca) ne da Dylanu da ide kući jer to nije dobro za njega. Njegov tvorac zna što je najbolje za njega, a to je kraj - smrt. I šalje ga u smrt - vragu na suđenje! Kraj - the end! Dylan treba njegov potpis da izađe iz bolnice, ali mu ga on ne da. Ne da Dylana nikome da radi s njim što im padne na pamet. Nema tu više pravde, njegov tvorac je tako odlučio i točka. Serijal se nije ugasio, ali u očima Sclavija, a vjerojatno i velike većine njegovih fanova - ovo je kraj!
Brindisi fenomenalan, a fenomenalan kolor samo doprinosi vizualnom dojmu kakav zadnja epizoda ovog serijala i zaslužuje. Vizualnoj atraktivnosti dodatno doprinosi što epizoda ima jako malo teksta, tako da su se autori dobrano potrudili da sve crtežom bude jasno predočeno i svaka im čast na tome. Jedino mi naslovnica nije na zadovoljavajućoj razini. Iako pokazuje bitne djelove iz priče, bilo je tu puno efektnijh mogućnosti za temu naslovnice.
(priča: 10, scenarij: 10, crtež: 10, kolor: 10, naslovnica: 5) - 98% |
Kamo god da kreneš, uvijek si tu. |
Edited by - Spock on 12/12/2019 13:06:18 |
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ivanl
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Croatia
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Posted - 12/12/2019 : 16:00:19
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Jednostavno; prokletsvo dugovjecnih serijala. Ovde prvenstveno mislim na SBE. Niti orididi tvorci tih likova/junaka vise n smiju zaustavljati kompoziciju sa ogromnim brojem vagona, koja zvizdi u nepoznato. Samo sto se tu ne radi o nepoznatim horizontima i novim vidicima. Dapace sve je vec videno, napisano, nacrtano...fanovi ih kupuju iz navike, vise nego ljubavi...drugacije ne bi ni bili fanovi, zar ne? I nije to samo kod DD-a, meni najdrazeg iz.astanog lika taljanske strip korporacije, vec kod svih dinosaura SBE-a. Profit. Knjizica mora na trafiku svaki mjesec i to je to. Ali ja cu prvi i dalje, unatoc neupitnom bljedilu novih epizoda, kupovati Dylana, i prisjecati se neprikosnovene stare slave, od koje ovaj danasnji Dylan,voden autopilotom nema ni golo 's'. |
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morski
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ivanl
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Croatia
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Posted - 13/12/2019 : 01:26:39
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Sto je i jedino tocno, (u SBE slucaju)... Tebe nitko ne tjera da ih citas. Ja tvoje nebuloze, recimo i ne nalazim za shodno da prokomentiram... Daleko od toga da sam ti brat... |
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Dexters
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Croatia
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Posted - 13/12/2019 : 07:26:09
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haha , ajde ivane malo šale nije na odmet
Meni je najbolji tvoj komentar: Dylan Dog i na autopilotu je bolji od većine ostalog bonellija. To si napisao najmanje 10 puta od kad ja pratim  |
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ivanl
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Croatia
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Posted - 13/12/2019 : 07:58:20
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quote: Originally posted by Dexters
haha , ajde ivane malo šale nije na odmet
Meni je najbolji tvoj komentar: Dylan Dog i na autopilotu je bolji od većine ostalog bonellija. To si napisao najmanje 10 puta od kad ja pratim 
Giuda ballerino! Kad je i to tocno! Nego, neka. Drago mi je da ljudi prate... |
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DODSFERD
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Pitcairn Island
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Posted - 13/12/2019 : 16:42:59
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quote: Originally posted by ivanl
quote: Originally posted by Dexters
haha , ajde ivane malo šale nije na odmet
Meni je najbolji tvoj komentar: Dylan Dog i na autopilotu je bolji od većine ostalog bonellija. To si napisao najmanje 10 puta od kad ja pratim 
Giuda ballerino! Kad je i to tocno! Nego, neka. Drago mi je da ljudi prate...
Nemoj ga zazivati, taman smo se odmorili od njega. |
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ivanl
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morski
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ivanl
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Deers
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Posted - 17/12/2019 : 19:50:40
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Ciklus, koga od milja nazivam, "Kako sam tri puta ubio Dylana i poslao ga u pakao" se ovom epizodom završava. Sa još ubojstava i samoubojstava. Dylan da bi konačno pristupio sudu tvorca mora se popeti (!) na šesti kat. Svaki kat predstavlja jedan (ili čak i više) aspekata Dylana kao lika i kao serijala i svaki ga osuđuje i završava istim prokletim ulaskom u lift. Ponekad je to svojevoljno zbog žrtvovanja, pomirenja ili pravde, a ponekad izgleda da su oni protiv kojih se borio pobijedili. Sve do poseljednegj ukazanja Sclavi/Xabarasa... Onaj koji ga može osloboditi, ubiti ili poslati u raj (?). Ali ne dozvoljava mu to. Jer 6. kat nije sud, uostalom presuda je već donesena, kako što kažu na početku. Ne, tvorac ga šalje u pakao, da vječno ispašta grijehe u vječnom serijalu. paradoksalno, Sclavi daje legitimitet nastavka serijala. Ali, bez njega. |
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ivanl
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Croatia
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Posted - 18/12/2019 : 09:00:05
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Sclavi je najmanje sretan i zadovoljan sto 'njegov' Dylan mora dalje. Ali mora. To je kapitalizam. Autor tu nista ne moze, a prava su davno van njegovog dosega. Vec spominjano 'prokletstvo dugovjecnih serijala'. I da, dinosauri, mastodonti! Nista drugo. |
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