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Risar_69
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drogsy
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Posted - 24/10/2020 : 00:44:59
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quote: Originally posted by BeaGea
Zašto ide kod doktora i tražite njihovu pomoć, kad zagusti, ako su nesposobni?
Hvala ti na tome pitanju, rado ću odgovoriti.
Dva jednostavna razloga: 1. Zato što financiramo javno zdravstvo koristili ga mi ili ne i htjeli mi to ili ne. 2. Zato što nemamo baš previše izbora. Stvari idu nabolje, pa danas imamo privatne stomatologe i dermatologe koji pružaju puno kvalitetniju uslugu od države, ali ako ti recimo zatreba sesija kemoterapije, preostaje ti jedino javno zdravstvo ili odlazak u neku privatnu kliniku u inozemstvu (kao ona mala curica od prije godinu dana). Nekako se nadam da će jednog dana netko na vlasti progledati i omogućiti uvjete za otvaranje privatnih klinika, i onda nećemo više slušati zastrašivanja o "nedostatku kreveta i respiratora". Država nije dobar davatelj usluga jer radnik/doktor em nema motiv za veću produktivnost kad mu je dobit/plaća fiksna bez obzira na efikasnost, em ga boli kurac za kvalitetu usluge jer otkaz neće dobit nikad. |
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tinton
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Posted - 24/10/2020 : 00:48:05
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Mislim da te BeaGea nije ispitivao o razlikama između privatnih i javnih doktora, nego o vjerovanju školovanim stručnjacima. Bilo da radili u javnom ili privatnom sektoru. |
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drogsy
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Posted - 24/10/2020 : 01:03:37
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quote: Originally posted by tinton
Mislim da te BeaGea nije ispitivao o razlikama između privatnih i javnih doktora, nego o vjerovanju školovanim stručnjacima. Bilo da radili u javnom ili privatnom sektoru.
Pa to sam mu i odgovorio. Ukratko: plaćam ih i nemam izbora. Ovaj dodatak o razlikama sam namjerno dodao da malo širimo "kontroverzne" ideje. |
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tinton
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Posted - 24/10/2020 : 01:09:31
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Kako nemaš izbora? Ante Pavlović je pokojni, ali sigurno ima drugih šamana kojima možeš vjerovati, ako već ne vjeruješ službenoj medicini.
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drogsy
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Posted - 24/10/2020 : 01:24:56
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quote: Originally posted by tinton
Kako nemaš izbora? Ante Pavlović je pokojni, ali sigurno ima drugih šamana kojima možeš vjerovati, ako već ne vjeruješ službenoj medicini.
Wtf? Niti je javno zdravstvo garancija službene medicine (mada bi mogao dati definciju što ti smatraš službenom medicinom) niti su privatno zdravstvo vraćare koje liječe čarima pacijente. Znači li to i da samo dŕžavne škole i fakulteti predaju službenu znanost, a privatne pseudoznanost i gluposti?
U svakom slučaju, ja ne dovodim u pitanje stručnost ljudi u javnom zdravstvu, već kvalitetu i način rada. Konkretan primjer kod jednog kolege s posla: dobio bubrežni kamenac i nije se mogao micati na poslu od bolova i umjesto operacije koju nije dobio zbog "korona" razloga, rekli su mu da pije puno vode i bit će to dure. Je li njemu operacija potrebna ili ne je potpuno nebitno, zahtijevao je uslugu koju plaća i dobio odjeb. |
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tinton
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Posted - 24/10/2020 : 01:38:09
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Opet vraćaš raspravu na privatno-javno, što uopće nije ono o čemu ja pričam. Znači nije problem što kritiziraš javno zdravstvo, a svjedno koristiš uslugu, nego što tvrdiš da znaš bolje od njih (doktora u oba sektora) koliko je opasna korona.
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drogsy
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Posted - 24/10/2020 : 02:02:59
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quote: Originally posted by tinton
Opet vraćaš raspravu na privatno-javno, što uopće nije ono o čemu ja pričam. Znači nije problem što kritiziraš javno zdravstvo, a svjedno koristiš uslugu, nego što tvrdiš da znaš bolje od njih (doktora u oba sektora) koliko je opasna korona.
Pa zato što je tema ove mini-rasprave privatno-javno. Što se korone tiče, s obzirom da je riječ o novom virusu o njemu jedino nešto znaju znanstvenici koji ga ispituju, teško da jedna medicinaska sestra čiji je post beagea nalijepio na prethodnoj stranici zna nešto više o koroni od mene, tako da su nam upisi jednako relevantni. Samim time, liječenju od korone se ne bih povjerio nikome jer cijepiva nema, a i nisam primjetio da je netko razvio uspješni način tretiranja bolesti koju covid 19 izaziva, bilo da je riječ o privatnoj ili javnoj klinici, dakle dok do toga ne dođe sve je na mojem imunitetu. Logično, zar ne?
I daj mi molim te nađi i jedan moj post na ovom topicu gdje ja tvrdim da znam bolje od epidemiološke struke koliko je corona opasna. |
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tinton
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Posted - 24/10/2020 : 02:12:04
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Pričao si da maske ne štite, što je u suprotnosti s tvrdnjama struke.
Btw. neću reći da si seksist ( ), ali ova žena je liječnica, koliko sam shvatio, a ne medicinska sestra.
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ordell
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Posted - 24/10/2020 : 10:46:46
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Zakacio i ja ovaj virus. Kontakt prosli cetvrtak, prvi simpotom subota - bol u grlu, lagani kasalj Nedelja bez problema, ponedeljak ide temperatura na 37.5 i pocinjem se losije osijecati. Slijedeca 3 dana grozno, osetljiva koza na rukama, jaki bolovi u ledjima, bubrezima i kukovima! Nisam mogao spavati od bolova. Culo mirisa i ukusa izgubio tek u srijedu. Cetvrtak mirno, ni traga o bolesti, juce opet problemi - veliki umor i teska glavobolja - danas i za sad osim iscrpljenosti sve ok. Nikad nisam tako nesto osjetio, gadno je, jednostavno ne znas gdje i kako te moze napasti, bas je cudno. Sad valjda je taj 7-11 dan presudno, i ako se dogura do 14.dana bez pogorsanja disanja, onda si po nekom pravilu van opasnosti. Sa druge strane svih 5 prijatelja koji su od tog cetvrtka pozitivni, su ili asimptomatski ili sa blagim simptomima. Naravno neki i od njih i dalje trube kako je to samo obicna prehlada jer su eto, na osnovu svog iskustva dosli do strucnog zakljucka. A ja vam mogu potvrditi da stvar nije nimalo naivna, jer nacin na koji ovaj virus djeluje na organizam je u najmanju ruku, neobican. |
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lwood
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BeaGea
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Posted - 24/10/2020 : 11:49:16
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Drži se ordelle, nadam se da nisi rizična skupina pa će biti sve u redu. |
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ordell
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Posted - 24/10/2020 : 12:18:49
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quote: Originally posted by BeaGea
Drži se ordelle, nadam se da nisi rizična skupina pa će biti sve u redu.
Sa 35 na grbaci valjda nisam  A bavim se sportom i fit sam mogu reci. Baksuz jbg ali ima nazalost grupa koja prolazi puno losije |
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BeaGea
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Posted - 24/10/2020 : 12:44:29
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quote: Originally posted by ordell
quote: Originally posted by BeaGea
Drži se ordelle, nadam se da nisi rizična skupina pa će biti sve u redu.
Sa 35 na grbaci valjda nisam  A bavim se sportom i fit sam mogu reci. Baksuz jbg ali ima nazalost grupa koja prolazi puno losije
Da, teško je s ovima koji sve znaju najbolje. |
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Oki
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Posted - 24/10/2020 : 12:44:41
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quote: Originally posted by ordell
quote: Originally posted by BeaGea
Drži se ordelle, nadam se da nisi rizična skupina pa će biti sve u redu.
Sa 35 na grbaci valjda nisam  A bavim se sportom i fit sam mogu reci. Baksuz jbg ali ima nazalost grupa koja prolazi puno losije
Kako je sve više i više, što prijatelja što poznanika (kolega sa posla i njihove rodbine) dobilo koronu i preboljelo je, iz svih tih svjedočanstava od njih (svakom je najobičnija gripa bila puno teže iskustvo od korone) i ovdje sa foruma, ispada da ste ti i anto prošli najgore, a to opet na kraju ne izgleda tako loše. Vjerovatno nas sve u skoroj budućnosti čeka ova zaraza, pomirimo se s tim. Podrške za ozdravljenje i od mene. |
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Beva
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Posted - 24/10/2020 : 15:01:47
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Drži se ordelle!
Ja sam isto prošao s najblažim mogućim simptomima, ali ne pada mi na pamet zbog toga trubiti okolo da je bolest bezazlena. Znao sam dvojicu ljudi u pedesetim godinama koji su bili poprilično zdravi (jedan je valjda imao povišen tlak) i sad su obojica pokojni nedugo nakon što su pokupili Covid. Naravno da ljudi okolo pričaju da nisu umrli od toga, ali kad pokupiš virus pa ti se razvije obostrana upala pluća i umreš nakon par dana, treba biti glup ili zloban za tvrditi da virus nema nikakve veze s tim. |
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kiky
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Posted - 24/10/2020 : 15:59:41
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quote: Originally posted by Beva
Drži se ordelle! Naravno da ljudi okolo pričaju da nisu umrli od toga, ali kad pokupiš virus pa ti se razvije obostrana upala pluća i umreš nakon par dana, treba biti glup ili zloban za tvrditi da virus nema nikakve veze s tim.
a pazi ovo! i virus gripe u dosta slučajeva (i više nego što mislimo) rezultira obostranom upalom pluća i umiranjem nakon par dana i to se događa već desetljećima... pa nitko nije zbog toga stavljao ljude u lockdown, brnjice na usta, i zatvarao teretane, diskoteke i birtije nakon 22 sata navečer. |
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BeaGea
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Posted - 24/10/2020 : 16:42:27
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quote: Originally posted by kiky
quote: Originally posted by Beva
Drži se ordelle! Naravno da ljudi okolo pričaju da nisu umrli od toga, ali kad pokupiš virus pa ti se razvije obostrana upala pluća i umreš nakon par dana, treba biti glup ili zloban za tvrditi da virus nema nikakve veze s tim.
a pazi ovo! i virus gripe u dosta slučajeva (i više nego što mislimo) rezultira obostranom upalom pluća i umiranjem nakon par dana i to se događa već desetljećima... pa nitko nije zbog toga stavljao ljude u lockdown, brnjice na usta, i zatvarao teretane, diskoteke i birtije nakon 22 sata navečer.
A ima li kakve veze to što za gripu postoji cijepivo, pa se lakše kontrolira? Ima li kakve veze što virus gripe napada sezonski a covid ne? I najvažnije, koliko ljudi se razboli od gripe godišnje a koliko od korone? Ne sumnjam da ćeš sve ovo zanemariti i nastaviti derati svoju kozu, ali neka...to si ti.
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GGG
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Posted - 24/10/2020 : 16:59:36
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quote: Originally posted by kiky
quote: Originally posted by Beva
Drži se ordelle! Naravno da ljudi okolo pričaju da nisu umrli od toga, ali kad pokupiš virus pa ti se razvije obostrana upala pluća i umreš nakon par dana, treba biti glup ili zloban za tvrditi da virus nema nikakve veze s tim.
a pazi ovo! i virus gripe u dosta slučajeva (i više nego što mislimo) rezultira obostranom upalom pluća i umiranjem nakon par dana i to se događa već desetljećima... pa nitko nije zbog toga stavljao ljude u lockdown, brnjice na usta, i zatvarao teretane, diskoteke i birtije nakon 22 sata navečer.
Jer je covid 19 puno smrtonosniji https://twitter.com/zorinaq/status/1311764842160644096
PS antimalarik hidroksiklorokvin te antivirusni ljekovi remdesivir i lopinavir dokazano ne dijeluju https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1316896605652635649 |
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kiky
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Posted - 24/10/2020 : 17:00:16
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i uz cjepivo za gripu još uvijek se struka ne može dogovoriti koliko godišnje ljudi umre od gripe a koliko od korone. ali tragičnije je to, da uz cjepivo za gripu ljudi i dalje umiru od posljedica gripe godišnje u značajnom broju... što zbog (upitne) učinkovitosti cjepiva. što zbog mutacija korona virusa (to jest, te cijele grupe virusa koji uzrokuju prehlade i gripe već desetlječima) |
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kiky
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Posted - 24/10/2020 : 17:01:06
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quote: Originally posted by GGG
quote: Originally posted by kiky
quote: Originally posted by Beva
Drži se ordelle! Naravno da ljudi okolo pričaju da nisu umrli od toga, ali kad pokupiš virus pa ti se razvije obostrana upala pluća i umreš nakon par dana, treba biti glup ili zloban za tvrditi da virus nema nikakve veze s tim.
a pazi ovo! i virus gripe u dosta slučajeva (i više nego što mislimo) rezultira obostranom upalom pluća i umiranjem nakon par dana i to se događa već desetljećima... pa nitko nije zbog toga stavljao ljude u lockdown, brnjice na usta, i zatvarao teretane, diskoteke i birtije nakon 22 sata navečer.
Jer je covid 19 puno smrtonosniji
to nije istina. i točka.
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BeaGea
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Posted - 24/10/2020 : 17:01:32
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Bravo doktore, ostavi kontakt da ti se ljudi oboljeli od korone mogu javiti. |
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kiky
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Posted - 24/10/2020 : 17:20:15
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quote: Originally posted by BeaGea
Bravo doktore, ostavi kontakt da ti se ljudi oboljeli od korone mogu javiti.
imam ih nekoliko već i u susjedstvu. i to doslovce.
susjed slijeva, i susjeda tri kuće nadesno. |
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