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 Posted - 15/06/2020 : 20:32:33
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Kopirano s reddita - na engleskom.
I was very bored and came up with a half-serious categorization of the main types of comic fan. What do you think? Do these archetypes ring true? Do you fit into one of them?
1. Superhero geeks
Self-explanatory, really. These people see the word "comic" as pretty much synonymous with superheroes. In most cases, their entire collections are from Marvel and DC, though they might have a few books from Valliant, Dark Horse, Image, Dynamite or Boom. They tend to follow characters rather than creators, and they get excited about events and crossovers, even if they often complain about them. They either have an encyclopædic knowledge of continuity, or they aspire to. They probably think "graphic novel" is a synonym for trade paperback and use "indie" to mean anything not from Marvel or DC. They usually only read comics from the US, but occasionally they read some popular shōnen, like Dragon Ball, Pokémon or My Hero Academia.
2. Not-quite-superhero geeks
These people predominantly read comics from genres like science fiction, horror and fantasy, almost exclusively from Image and Vertigo. Their favourite creators include the likes of Alan Moore, Brian K. Vaughan, Jeff Lemire, Robert Kirkman, Warren Ellis and Garth Ennis. Most of them also read superhero comics to some extent. Many of them used to be superhero fans and now love to preach about how much better "creator-owned" or "indie" comics are. A significant minority completely reject superheroes as totally lame and immature. Like superhero fans, they mostly only read comics from the US, but they may dabble in shōnen, and they might also read the odd European comic, particularly Blacksad and the Jodoverse comics. Also like superhero fans, they probably use "graphic novel" as a synonym for trade paperback.
3. Comic connoisseurs
These guys look for comics that are intellectual, thought-provoking, experimental, deep or otherwise of "literary" quality. Their favourite publishers are Fantagraphics and Drawn & Quarterly, but their collections usually include a wider ranger of publishers than either of the groups described above. They care more about quality and originality than particular genres, but they tend to prefer realistic dramas, slice-of-life comics, historical works, arty surrealist stuff, memoirs and biographies. They revere the likes of Chris Ware, Charles Burns, Dan Clowes, Art Spiegelman and Mœbius. If they read anything from Marvel or DC, it's most likely highly acclaimed limited series by the likes of Alan Moore, Frank Miller, Tom King and Jeph Loeb, and odd titles from DC's Vertigo imprint. A significant minority completely reject superheroes. In contrast to the two groups described above, their collections are diverse in terms of nationality. Most of them are comfortable saying they read "comics", but some prefer "graphic novel" or "GN", and a particularly pretentious minority might talk about “the ninth art”.
4. Indie purists
This group is all about “genuinely independent” comics: small presses, self-published, webcomics and 'zines. The closest they get to the mainstream is Fantagraphics. They love surrealism and meandering slice-of-life comics. Their pantheon of greats is similar to that of the comic connoisseurs (Ware, Burns, Clowes, Spiegelman), but also includes the “underground comix” legends like Robert Crumb and Peter Bagge. However, their main focus is on finding obscure gems, so their collections are full of comics by people you’ve never head of. Somewhat better-known favourites include Simon Hanselmann, Michael Deforge, Dash Shaw and Connor Willumsen.
5. The youth of today
Members of this group like their comics to be colourful, zany and fun, but also to have emotional depth and explore social issues. Their collections invariably include a lot of children's comics (which they refer to as "YA"). Their favourite creators include Tillie Walden, Gene Luen Yang, the Tamaki sisters, Noelle Stevenson, John Allison and Jeff Smith. Their collections come from diverse publishers, prominently including First Second and general book publishers. They often go out of their way to read comics by female, gay or non-white creators, but they overwhelmingly focus on works from the US. A significant part of this group insist that they read "graphic novels" (or "GNs") and that "comics" are flimsy things held together with staples, containing stories about superheroes. If they read any superhero comics, it's most likely ones featuring Squirrel Girl, Ms Marvel, Gwenpool or Harley Quinn. Their tastes might overlap somewhat with groups 2 (particularly over creators like Brian K. Vaughan and Marjorie Liu) and 3 (particularly over creators like Craig Thompson, Adrian Tomine, Tillie Walden and the Hernández brothers).
6. Manga geeks
While people from the other groups might dabble in comics from Japan, manga geeks read Japanese comics to the exclusion of everything else. Indeed, they might think of “comics” and “manga” as completely different entities, only superficially similar, with the former an uninteresting Western phenomenon obsessed with superheroes. Although Japan produces an incredibly diverse range of comics, manga geeks are usually only interested in shōnen, seinen, shōjo and josei (i.e. mainstream comics targeted at teenagers and young adults); other types of Japanese comic are more likely to be read by comic connoisseurs. If they dabble in Western comics, it’s probably Japanese-influenced ones like the Scott Pilgrim and Usagi Yojimbo series.
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Edited by - vice on 15/06/2020 20:44:56
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Posted - 15/06/2020 : 21:39:02
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Originally posted by Tonto
Čitam sve što mi se učini zanimljivim, ne ograničavam se kategorijama.
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Osim sto ne gotivim superheroje i retko sta citam od mangi. |
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Peyo
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Posted - 15/06/2020 : 22:13:03
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Pripadam skupini ljubitelja stripa.
A pravi ljubitelj stripa se ne ograničava kategorijama. Sada će RM opet napisati da ratujem protiv nekoga.
Uvijek sam bio alergičan na trpanje nekoga u ladice ili na neke ekskluzivne ili zatvorene grupacije i krugove. |
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ivanl
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Posted - 15/06/2020 : 23:24:44
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| Pa zasigurno pripadam grupaciji strip entuzijasta koji voli procitati/prouciti stripove bez obzira na neku krutu i odredenu kategorizaciju. Sve 'kuri'. Izuzimam samo superherojstinu iz te moje dugogodisnje rabote, a nije da se i tu nisam trudio. Nije islo jednostavno, svega se rijesio i lakse prodisao. Ostalo stvarno mogu reci prozdirem. I gustam. |
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vukozec
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Posted - 16/06/2020 : 00:01:00
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Ajde, ajde šta se sramite priznati u kojoj grupi ste se najviše prepoznali.
Lista jest americentrična, al ajde (možete zamisliti da je prva kategorija umjesto superhero Bonelli).
Ma što god to govorilo o meni, ja sam definitivno najbliži 3. grupi (ja to priznam i nije mi bed). |
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Posted - 16/06/2020 : 06:58:18
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Što reče vukozec, vidi se da su kategorije određene s američkom publikom na umu, ali uz male preinake lako se mogu primijeniti i kod nas. I koliko god mnogi od nas ne voljeli ograničavati se kategorijama, ipak postoje one u kojima se više (i one u kojima se manje) prepoznajemo. Od ovdje navedenih, ja definitivno pripadam u treću kategoriju.
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ivanl
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Posted - 16/06/2020 : 07:39:03
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Originally posted by Macon
Na seznamu nema Bonelijevaca i francuskih BD-jevaca. Amerikanci za prvo ni ne znaju a za drugo jedva.
Dobro i kazes. |
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Posted - 16/06/2020 : 08:32:58
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Glupo pitanje posto mi nismo americka publika, a ovo je pitanje samo za njih.
Naravno, netko ce se mozda i pronaci u jednoj od ponuđenih kategorija, ali vecina ne. Mozda bi ovo trebalo zaljepiti u americki podforum. 
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vice
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Posted - 16/06/2020 : 09:50:45
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Originally posted by Poli
Glupo pitanje posto mi nismo americka publika, a ovo je pitanje samo za njih.
Naravno, netko ce se mozda i pronaci u jednoj od ponuđenih kategorija, ali vecina ne. Mozda bi ovo trebalo zaljepiti u americki podforum.
Nema glupih pitanja, samo glupih odgovora, a tvoj je jedan od takvih. ;)
Radi se o zgodnom postu s reddita koji san ubacija ovdje da se malo zabavimo, prokomentiramo, a lako je primjenjivo i na domaće stripofile. Nema tu stvarnih strogih kalupiranja. |
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Poli
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Posted - 16/06/2020 : 09:57:43
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Za zabavu je vise manje svastara, ali komentarisati se uvijek moze.
Jos jedan primjer ogranicenosti americkog trzista, ali imamo i mi ovdje prilicna ogranicenja. ;P
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shalilo6
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Posted - 16/06/2020 : 10:34:27
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Originally posted by Poli
Jos jedan primjer ogranicenosti americkog trzista, ali imamo i mi ovdje prilicna ogranicenja. ;P
pa donekle je i naše tržište ograničeno , na primjer:
U prvoj kategoriji promijeni Supperhero geeks u Bonelli geeks i popularne shonen naslove u popularne BD naslove i mislim da će se puno čitatelja nać u toj kategoriji |
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Poli
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Posted - 16/06/2020 : 10:39:49
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Pa da, zato i kazem da bi trebalo promjeniti kategorije da budu prilagođene za nase razmjere, jer vecinu onoga sto se prodaje kod nas uopste nema u ponuđenim kategorijama.
Ali da, kao fora moze proci. Za onih nekoliko geekova koji citaju samo amere - pardon, stripove koji izlaze u Americi - je pisano na kozu.
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DiSkAcH
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Posted - 16/06/2020 : 14:35:25
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| Pa ne spadam izričito u nijednu skupinu. Ajde superheroji mi ne leže, ali tu i tamo naletim na neke koji mi se ful svide, npr Killing Joke, Joker, Old Man Logan... |
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Posted - 16/06/2020 : 14:35:38
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Kod nas bi samo kod Bonellija imali nekoliko kategorija
- kolekcionari, stara škola: Obavezno kompletna kolekcija ZS i LMS, onda novodobna kiosk izdanja i na kraju teška srca LL, Ideal sva izdanja sa ocjenom 5, neke dublje priče jih baš ne zanimaju, kao i moderne gluposti tipa Magico Vento, Julia, itd. Znaju koliko (i kamo) su posrnuli, pa svoj životni stil drže više za sebe. Bliže im je odpad nego strip festivali.
- novodobni kolekcionari: Nabavlja i skuplja se planski, LL je ideal, prave se police, slikaju se kolekcije. Sve se zna - autori, talijanske numeracije, paralelna izdanja, zalihe po kioscima.... Novi junaci se dočekuju sa fanfarama. O stripovima se razpravlja na forumima, sa rodbinom i susjedima, ide se po festivalima, skuplja podpise. Pojedini se specializiraju samo za Jednog Junaka. Ponos i entuzijazam.
- crtani romani autopilot: Šta je to Bonelli? Sportske novosti, Erotika i Automagazin su otišli na internet, ali crtani romani su još ostali na papiru - dok ima na kiosku, stvar se kupuje. Junaci i kronologija nisu relevantni. Ako je u kuči dovoljno prostora i centralno grijanje, stvaraju se i nekakve kolekcije (sa po tri ista stripa).
- stripofil opšte prakse: Iako odgojen (i zadojen) kiosk stripovima, polako širi raspon, od Asteriksa do Fibrinih tragedija. Iz navike se kupuje Zagor, Tex, DD… ali osječa, da to nije više to. Na sreču je nizbrdo otišlo i sve ostalo, pa se u supermarketu uz mljeko i vreču Whiskasa često nađe i po koji Bonelli
- posrnuli Bonellijevac: Zbog životnih okolnosti, odrastanja, nedostatka vremena… je prestao kupovati i čitati Bonellija (a i stripove generalno). Ali pamti sve junake, često se prisječa i citira pojedine epizode. Ako slučajno naleti na kakav strip, rado ga pročita, ali mu jih je neugodno kupovati.
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Posted - 16/06/2020 : 15:42:27
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Bliže je ova podela po kolekcionarstvu ovde no ukusu.
Kolekcionar svega i svačega. Police i hrbat najvažniji.
Kolekcionar komplet Bonelli. Misli da ima udarac ko Tex i spretnost Zagora, a zapravo izgleda ko mix Čika i Profesora Okultisa.
Umereni kolekcionar (jer toliko para ima) - najčešće i onaj sa najboljim ukusom. Istovremeno i često najnaporniji/uvek najpametniji kad priča o stripovima.
Površni i neredovni kupac, onaj što kupi nešto jer je gledao film, seriju ili dobio par stripova na poklon i to mu je onako, baš simpa. |
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vukozec
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Posted - 16/06/2020 : 16:30:55
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Originally posted by Red Marquis
Bliže je ova podela po kolekcionarstvu ovde no ukusu.
Kolekcionar svega i svačega. Police i hrbat najvažniji.
Kolekcionar komplet Bonelli. Misli da ima udarac ko Tex i spretnost Zagora, a zapravo izgleda ko mix Čika i Profesora Okultisa.
Umereni kolekcionar (jer toliko para ima) - najčešće i onaj sa najboljim ukusom. Istovremeno i često najnaporniji/uvek najpametniji kad priča o stripovima.
Površni i neredovni kupac, onaj što kupi nešto jer je gledao film, seriju ili dobio par stripova na poklon i to mu je onako, baš simpa.
I opet sam najbliži trećoj skupini, iliti napornom konosjeru-preseratoru :) |
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ivanl
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Posted - 17/06/2020 : 00:17:06
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| Fali, pored svega goreg navedenog, skupina/grupa/sekta/organizacija/savez... kako god, kolekcionara kojima nije samo bitno imati svaki primjerak, vec svaki primjerak u savrsenom stanju. |
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