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Tonto
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8844 Posts
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Posted - 07/04/2021 : 11:47:56
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Nema nikakvog smisla traziti logiku u covjekoj reakciji na traumu. Cuo sam i za slicne i cudnije reakcije. Ne vidim nista sporno u opisanom, ali necu pametovat previse jer nisam citao strip pa ne znam kako je sve to izvedeno i kako funkcionira. |
The less I have the more I am a happy man |
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vukozec
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5021 Posts
Member since 17/08/2013 |
Posted - 07/04/2021 : 12:03:54
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quote: Originally posted by jaki
Što je autor htio kazati?Da bi se čovjek seksualno oslobodio triba se riješiti roditelja?
Nisam čitao strip, nemam pojma o čemu pričate, ali siguran sam da bi se Freudu svidjelo pitanje i imao bi što odgovoriti :) |
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lwood
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Colombia
47441 Posts
Member since 09/12/2005 |
Posted - 07/04/2021 : 12:58:25
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quote: Originally posted by jaki
quote: Originally posted by zare80
Lijepo je da imaš svoj pogled na strip ali nemoj pretpostavljati što bi ja mislio da je u stripu nešto drukčije.A i ne znam zašto spominješ DD u svezi ovog stripa?Ja mu ne mogu pronaći nikakvu spojnicu s ovim stripom osim što su stripovi. To što po tebi nijedan drugi strip autora isto nije logičan(ja se i ne sjećam kakvi su mu stripovi)nema nikakve veze s ovim stripom. Meni je ovo preloš strip i iako nisam nikakvi moralist ovo je over the top.Da na dan ubojstva oca i silovanja pa samoubojstva majke kad ugleda mladića(ili djevojku nebitno je)odma dobije seksualne misli? Što je autor htio kazati?Da bi se čovjek seksualno oslobodio triba se riješiti roditelja?
Možda je u djetinjstvu/početku puberteta ima fantaziju na nekog prijatelja koja ga je luđački palila pa to ovako zamaskira. |
depresivni iskompleksirani primitivac i nadrkana budala |
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zare80
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Serbia
586 Posts
Member since 22/09/2008 |
Posted - 07/04/2021 : 21:38:57
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quote: Originally posted by jaki
quote: Originally posted by zare80
Lijepo je da imaš svoj pogled na strip ali nemoj pretpostavljati što bi ja mislio da je u stripu nešto drukčije.A i ne znam zašto spominješ DD u svezi ovog stripa?Ja mu ne mogu pronaći nikakvu spojnicu s ovim stripom osim što su stripovi. To što po tebi nijedan drugi strip autora isto nije logičan(ja se i ne sjećam kakvi su mu stripovi)nema nikakve veze s ovim stripom. Meni je ovo preloš strip i iako nisam nikakvi moralist ovo je over the top.Da na dan ubojstva oca i silovanja pa samoubojstva majke kad ugleda mladića(ili djevojku nebitno je)odma dobije seksualne misli? Što je autor htio kazati?Da bi se čovjek seksualno oslobodio triba se riješiti roditelja?
A sta ako je seksualne misli imao i ranije? A i mozda mu se samo svidelo kako decko izgleda. Ali postavio sam validno pitanje, ne pretpostavljam nista, sta da se zagledao u prelepu kcerku i dalje nastavio seks sa njom? Da li bi to bilo logicnije za radnju i da li bi strip bio bolji.
DD sam namerno pomenuo, jer je to meni prava definicija loseg stripa sa dobrim crtezom. Nasilje da bi se iznenadilo, slicno kao ovde na pocetku stripa. Ako je ovo los strip, onda je DD prelos, a ljudi na ovom forumu pricaju u superlativima o njemu. Sto se ne bi mogli porediti stripovi po kvalitetu, nebitno da li imaju slicne radnje? |
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jaki
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Croatia
27168 Posts
Member since 13/03/2004 |
Posted - 07/04/2021 : 22:01:04
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Pa napisao sam i to dva puta. Dan kad ti ubiju oca i siluju mater ti ces se ici zaljubiti u curu/dečka svejedno? Pogledat ces ju/ga i pomisliti:jebate sta je jebozovan/jebozovna? Ako ima neko živo biće koje to može,siguran sam da to nije ljudsko biće.
DD je nasilan strip ali potpuno u skladu s vremenom događanja i okolnostima.
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zare80
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Serbia
586 Posts
Member since 22/09/2008 |
Posted - 08/04/2021 : 02:04:41
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quote: Originally posted by jaki
Pa napisao sam i to dva puta. Dan kad ti ubiju oca i siluju mater ti ces se ici zaljubiti u curu/dečka svejedno? Pogledat ces ju/ga i pomisliti:jebate sta je jebozovan/jebozovna?
Ok, ali ako je samo to nelogicno u stripu, ja bih mu oprostio. Meni je recimo obrt na kraju bas dobar, a sto vise diskutujemo cini mi se strip sve bolji :), pogotovo kad uporedim sa ostalim "losijim" stripovima koje sam citao. |
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lwood
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Colombia
47441 Posts
Member since 09/12/2005 |
Posted - 08/04/2021 : 09:10:04
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quote: Originally posted by jaki
Pa napisao sam i to dva puta. Dan kad ti ubiju oca i siluju mater ti ces se ici zaljubiti u curu/dečka svejedno? Pogledat ces ju/ga i pomisliti:jebate sta je jebozovan/jebozovna? Ako ima neko živo biće koje to može,siguran sam da to nije ljudsko biće.
DD je nasilan strip ali potpuno u skladu s vremenom događanja i okolnostima.
Ma ljudi svakojako reagiraju na traume tako da to i ne bi bilo pretjerano čudno. |
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Macon
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Slovenia
1636 Posts
Member since 18/03/2005 |
Posted - 30/04/2021 : 22:17:43
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quote: Originally posted by jaki
Pa napisao sam i to dva puta. Dan kad ti ubiju oca i siluju mater ti ces se ici zaljubiti u curu/dečka svejedno? Pogledat ces ju/ga i pomisliti:jebate sta je jebozovan/jebozovna? Ako ima neko živo biće koje to može,siguran sam da to nije ljudsko biće.
DD je nasilan strip ali potpuno u skladu s vremenom događanja i okolnostima.
Da, taj strip ide kao serija šokova, počne sa šokom ali meni se je brzo počelo zevati. Psihopatima valjda tako ide u životu (dok ne popiju metak). Dosta izforsirana radnja i premalo ljudskoga u svemu tome. Najlakše je operirati sa ubijanjem, teže je u čitaocu probuditi sučut sa likom.
Ali crtež, boje i montaža su super. Oriol je odličan. |
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Edited by - Macon on 30/04/2021 22:18:23 |
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Poli
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Slovenia
38181 Posts
Member since 26/10/2007 |
Posted - 11/05/2021 : 14:49:03
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Dobra stripcina, teska, mracna (Zidrou), ali bogamai priznajem da se nista vise ne sjecam iz jedinice... ima li uopste kakvih poveznica?
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Anything is possible dec d uej Be the Change You Want to See
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Cromwell
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Croatia
4465 Posts
Member since 10/09/2011 |
Posted - 13/05/2021 : 12:45:16
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Jedinice se uopće ne sjećam po ničemu što znači da me nije impresionirala. No dvojka mi je ispala super iako niti malo ne volim mafijaške priče. Stil crteža i boja su specifični i to je uvijek plus pogotovo kada pogode ugođaj i stvore čaroliju kao što se to dogodilo i ovdje. I umro sam od smijeha na scenu u vrtu a bome su me i uznemirili neki kadrovi sa muhama. Priča prigodno bizarna sa odličnim twistom; Zidrou svakim novim stripom dokazuje da njegove priče možemo secirati i tražiti zamjerke ali scenariji su mu zanatski uvijek pri vrhu svjetskog pričopričanja.
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Bok, kako si.
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prop_ovednik
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Croatia
1494 Posts
Member since 13/01/2008 |
Posted - 17/05/2021 : 11:11:57
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Nisam nešto oduševljen - serija šokova koja mi je na kraju ispala blesava, rupe popunjene neuvjerljivo, kraj došao brzo i strip završio. Ništa posebno... |
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AleksandarN
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Serbia
2031 Posts
Member since 24/10/2019 |
Posted - 18/05/2021 : 13:47:40
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Bas kao Cromwell, jedinice se ne secam osim onog iz sinopsisa. Razmisljao sam da li je nastavak ili ne ali nije tako da nije problem da li kec ostao u secanju ili ne. Dvojku sam smlatio u cugu i dopalo mi se. Ne secam se kada mi se ovako odvratna prica dopala. Kao da sam gledao neki film. Crtez apsolutno neprivlacan ali posle par stranica prestaje da smeta. Sve u svemu... Uvrnuto, kratko, brutalno i zanimljivo.
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"Whatever it is, I'm against it." Groucho Marx |
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anto
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Serbia
21396 Posts
Member since 29/06/2008 |
Posted - 14/08/2021 : 22:34:06
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Još jedan hvalevredan strip Zidroua,svojevrsni nastavak Medveđe kože,knjige jedan,sa kojom nema nijedne dodirne tačke osim tematike. Andrei su ubili oca i majku,ali sticajem okolnosti,baš čovek koji je naručio zločin ga usvaja i daje mu svoj dom,kasnije i udeo u poslu,ali ko za qrac,nežni Andrea se zalubljuje u mafiozovog sina. Priča brutalna,kratka i efikasna,a čak i homoseksualizam ima svoje logično mesto u scenariju,i prvi put da mi pederisanje nije zasmetalo;Oriol na visini kao i uvek. Sveukupno,tek malčice slabije od keca. 4.5/5
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Dajte nam Ralph Azhama;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)! |
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Zagor-te-nay
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Croatia
2457 Posts
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Posted - 23/11/2021 : 15:33:55
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Ovo je toliko lošeeee...Zidrou je očito (al baš ono, očito) pogledao https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5726616/ i nastao je ovaj strip. Ubacio je malo kriminala i nastala je Medvjeđa koža 2. Samo za razliku od spomenutog filma (koji je stvarno dobar), ovo je ono...teeeški šund i postoji samo radi woke-a, inače bi bija loš uradak nekog studenta na drugoj godini faxa... Samo zamislite da se ovaj mali u stripu umisto u sina od Bud Spencera zaljubija u kćer kako bi izgledao strip? Bili izašao vani? Teško. Bija bi još bezvezniji. Zidrou to dobro zna. Još jedan "umjetnik" koji se ukrcao u vlak. + Zanimljivo je to kako u uvodniku zaziva toleranciju na sve ljude (ono, samo pozitiva), ali brutala koja prevladava u stripu je bačena u drugi plan (to valjda je normalno, tolerancija na nasilje više nije toliko "in", sad su aktualne druge stvari).  Crtež mi se sviđa, i zato 4/10. |
Majka Bonelli je pocetak...i kraj.
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ŠAŠ
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666 Posts
Member since 13/10/2013 |
Posted - 08/11/2023 : 21:37:54
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ogroman pad u odnosu na prvi dio,uostalom ,zašto je ovo uopće drugi dio medvjeđe kože,poveznica kao grad stonefield je blago reći preslaba.ove trendi usiljene gej fore su prenaporne |
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Aco
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Slovenia
6268 Posts
Member since 29/11/2001 |
Posted - 06/02/2024 : 20:23:04
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Strip ide na kartu (pretjeranog) forsiranja homoseksualnosti glavnih junaka , ali kao cjelina je sve skupa dosta slabo i ni sjena prvog djela ( s kojim tematski nema nikakve veze, osim da se radi o mafijašima). Kćer zaljubljena u Andreu, a ovaj voli njenog brata i tako do samog kraja kad shvati da njen brat ipak voli nekog drugog. Ni Oriol mi nije tako dobar kao u prvom dijelu i Mrtvim prirodama, nema te žestine u crtežu.
Srećom pa nema puno stranica jer ovo je stvarno lošnjikavo.
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