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Odoakar
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Odoakar
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Posted - 30/06/2022 : 13:32:40
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Hhmmm, prelistavam od jutra i jako je tanak papir. Toliko tanak da se na prirodnom osvjetljenju nazire crtež s donje strane...i to ne samo kod okretanja stranice, već i dok leži na ostatku, na bjelini se vide obrisi crteža...
Negdje je vidi više, negdje manje...pitanje je kako će biti pod umjetnim svjetlom, to ću vidjeti večeras.
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Odoakar
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Posted - 30/06/2022 : 13:39:38
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Evo da bolje vidite problem, primjer jedne random stranice,
Ovo je kad je list polegnut, naziru se linije sa druge strane:

Ovo je kad se malo podigne, vidi se skoro sve sa druge strane:

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Jasko
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alexts
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lwood
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Posted - 30/06/2022 : 13:51:36
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Baš prozirno. Čudno da nisu stavili deblji papir? iskreno očekivah puno bolje izdanje . |
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Hercule Poirot
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Posted - 30/06/2022 : 13:54:08
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Po svemu sudeći, kako je i velika većina forumaša na ovom mjestu već prvobitno naglašavala; iako joj glasna, ali bučna manjina nije davala za pravo; IPAK se ne radi o najboljem oblikovanom stripu, koji je ikada, igdje izišao negdje na području Balkana. Šteta, reći će mnogi pa i oni alanfordovski potpuni neutralni članovi.
Pored prethodno uočenog donjeg dijela hrpta, koji je već uočen kao nimalo vizualno atraktivan, već je uočena i prozirnost papira na kojem je strip tiskan.
Sve to daje za pravo onima koji su tvrdili da ovo ipak neće biti najkvalitetnije izdanje ikada tiskano. Radi se o dobrom izdanju, to stoji. Ali ne radi se o najboljem izdanju ikada napravljenom.
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DiSkAcH
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Posted - 30/06/2022 : 13:54:37
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Uf da, ali primjetio sam ja slično kod NN, samo ni blizu u ovoj mjeri.
EDIT: Tj, ovo ''malo podignut'' misliš da si ga krenuo listat i odvojio od ostatka, da ne leži na njima više? Ma onda je to kao i kod NN, MNO i ostalih. Nije baš toliko strašno. Usporedi papir sa nekim SBE LL pa javi.
A par ljudi prije Odokra nahvalila izdanje kao nešto najbolje ikada, imam filing da su gledali samo korice....kome je još bitno što je unutra?! Općenito sam to primjetio sa kolekcionarima, velikoj većini je najbitnija očuvanost korica, a unutra i ako ima kakvih grešaka i slično je nebitno...valjda jer se ne vidi na polici. :( |
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lwood
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Posted - 30/06/2022 : 13:55:43
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Pa ne znan,ono na hrbatu mi nije toliko loše. Razbije neku rutinu recimo. Al ovo je brate prozirno. bzv |
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Hercule Poirot
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Posted - 30/06/2022 : 13:59:14
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quote: Originally posted by lwood
Pa ne znan,ono na hrbatu mi nije toliko loše. Razbije neku rutinu recimo. Al ovo je brate prozirno. bzv
Ali, da bi nešto bilo besprijekorno, onda mora biti savršeno u svakom svom detaljčiću, svakoj svojoj sitnici. Očekivao sam da će biti padanja u nesvijest od ushita zbog savršenosti stripa, ali... avaj... nažalost, ništa od toga. |
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Odoakar
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Posted - 30/06/2022 : 14:04:07
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quote: Originally posted by DiSkAcH
EDIT: Tj, ovo ''malo podignut'' misliš da si ga krenuo listat i odvojio od ostatka, da ne leži na njima više? Ma onda je to kao i kod NN, MNO i ostalih. Nije baš toliko strašno. Usporedi papir sa nekim SBE LL pa javi.
Da, kad se odvoji od ostatka. Iskreno, ne sjećam se da se toliko vidilo na Neverima, morat ću usporediti kad dođem doma...definitivno se na Neverima ne vide obrisi kad je polegnut na ostatku, dok se ovdje malo vide. |
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Peyo
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Poli
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Posted - 30/06/2022 : 15:07:21
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Ma sta vi imate za komentirati kad niste sami kupili!
Dovoljno je da ste vidjeli sliku proizvoda ili procitali komentar onog koji je kupio!
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manhunter
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Posted - 30/06/2022 : 15:23:25
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quote: Originally posted by Peyo
Ako je ovako prozirno to je baš pogreška za ovakvo izdanje.
Ako je ovako prozirno, onda je to pogreška za bilo koje izdanje, ne samo za ovo. |
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john connor
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Posted - 30/06/2022 : 15:45:14
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Bas bzvz, papir je uz prevod, tisak, veoma vazan...dzaba ti korice, mozda mislili da ce ovo ljudi kupovati samo za na policu.. |
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logo111
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Posted - 30/06/2022 : 15:52:35
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Napokon da se piše o konkretnim stvarima koje se tiče samog izdanja.
Pogledao svoje primjerke. Ništa nije prozirno kad je papir spušten odnosno nije okrenut prema izvoru svjetlosti.
Usporedio sam sa dostupnim primjercima Fibrinog Ken Parkera i LL c/b MrNO i Texa i efekt je potpuno isti. I papir isti.
Potpuno isforsiran problem.
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darkwoodaxe
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Posted - 30/06/2022 : 15:54:55
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s lib. foruma:
Papir kod Alana Forda je papir koji koristimo i za druga naša cb izdanja, 100 gramski offsetni. Ovisno pod kakvim svjetlom se gleda kod svih izdanja može se vidjeti tisak s druge strane, ako su tiskani na uobičajenim papirama i gramaturama. Alan Ford ima dosta crne boje u sebi, crnih ploha pa možda zbog toga ostavlja takav utisak, iako meni osobno nije, evo baš sam prelistao izdanja. No najbolje da svako za sebe zaključi kad pogleda izdanja u nekom normalnom okruženju. |
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udarnik007
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Posted - 30/06/2022 : 16:07:27
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Ovo s papirom je fakat pretjerivanje... Mislim, pročitao sam prve dvije knjige i s papirom nemam nikakvih problem, čak štoviše... |
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Markos
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Posted - 30/06/2022 : 16:08:30
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quote: Originally posted by logo111
Napokon da se piše o konkretnim stvarima koje se tiče samog izdanja.
Pogledao svoje primjerke. Ništa nije prozirno kad je papir spušten odnosno nije okrenut prema izvoru svjetlosti.
Usporedio sam sa dostupnim primjercima Fibrinog Ken Parkera i LL c/b MrNO i Texa i efekt je potpuno isti. I papir isti.
Potpuno isforsiran problem.
Čisto preciznosti radi, nije isti. Fibrin Ken Parker ima 120 gramski offsetni papir, on je ipak dosta deblji. Ali 100 gramski sam koristio nedavno u boxsetu Vrh bogova zbog debljine knjige.
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logo111
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Posted - 30/06/2022 : 16:17:10
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quote: Originally posted by Markos
quote: Originally posted by logo111
Napokon da se piše o konkretnim stvarima koje se tiče samog izdanja.
Pogledao svoje primjerke. Ništa nije prozirno kad je papir spušten odnosno nije okrenut prema izvoru svjetlosti.
Usporedio sam sa dostupnim primjercima Fibrinog Ken Parkera i LL c/b MrNO i Texa i efekt je potpuno isti. I papir isti.
Potpuno isforsiran problem.
Čisto preciznosti radi, nije isti. Fibrin Ken Parker ima 120 gramski offsetni papir, on je ipak dosta deblji. Ali 100 gramski sam koristio nedavno u boxsetu Vrh bogova zbog debljine knjige.
OK meni kao laiku se to učinilo potpuno isto.
Vjerujem da i taj 100 gramski offsetni papir je kvalitetan izbor papira čim ga LL koristi za sva svoja c/b izdanja i Fibra za jedno takvo izdanje kao što je Boxset Vrh bogova |
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Markos
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Posted - 30/06/2022 : 16:26:01
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Nije to loše, dapače, ali, iskreno, bolje bi bilo da su uzeli 120 gramski. (mada je meni najviše žao što nije zućkasti Munken, ovo mi je više-manje svejedno). Ja sam uzeo 100 gramski za Vrh bogova zato što se na knjizi Stranci u raju od 800 stranica 120 gramski pokazao predebeo i krut i neadekvatan. I bilo je ljudi koji su se isto žalili na njega. (i na Strancima i na Vrhu bogova. I to čak isti ljudi, ako se dobro sjećam)
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DiSkAcH
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Posted - 30/06/2022 : 16:28:38
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OK, Dado je već napisao ono što sam i pretpostavio. Papir je isti kao u ostalim njihovim c/b izdanjima. Slikao sam sada NN i MNO u identičnim uvjetima:


Eto isto su prozirni, u NN sam to primjetio i kada se ne forsira ovako podizanjem papira. Logika mi nalaže da je u AF to izraženije jer da se tako izrazim ima rijeđi crtež tj dosta više bijele, ali i crne kako je Dado napisao. Tj veće su površine i crne i bijele pa se jače vidi crtež sa druge strane. Kod SBE izdanja se to manje vidi jer ima puno malih crteža (kockica? jbg nepismen sam, ne znam kako se zove 1 kadar u stripu) i gušći su. Kod mog primjera sam morao prolistati par strana da nađem negdje di se fino vidi. E sada, niti ikog branim, niti napadam, ali s obzirom na crtež u AF, IMHO je trebao ići ipak deblji papir. Vidimo iz ovog primjera da nisu svi stripovi tj crteži isti, pa ih se ne može tretirati na isti način. Preciznije, ne za ovu cijenu, ne za ovu publiku. Eto, moje 2 lipe na temelju procjene po slikama jer AF još nisam vidio uživo, kada vidim, javim dojmove.
EDIT: Već sam napisao, ali i od mene +1 za žućkasti papir. |
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Odoakar
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Posted - 30/06/2022 : 16:47:09
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Je, sad sam provjerio Nevere, u pravu si, i kod njih se kod podignutog papira vidi druga strana, ali kad je polegnut dosta manje se vidi druga strana. Kao sto i kazes, to je do razlicitog crteza, AF ima puno vise vecih bijelih povrsina na kojima se vise istice pozadina ako je na njoj tuš.
Na Neveru me to nikad nije zasmetalo, a evo na AF je skoro prvo što sam vidio. Šteta što papir nije u potpunosti prilagođen izdanju, trebao je biti malo deblji.
No vjerujem da će to biti stvar navike i da kad budem čitao večeras na sobnom svjetlu, da se neće toliko isticati. |
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logo111
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Posted - 30/06/2022 : 16:48:59
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quote: Originally posted by Markos
Nije to loše, dapače, ali, iskreno, bolje bi bilo da su uzeli 120 gramski. (mada je meni najviše žao što nije zućkasti Munken, ovo mi je više-manje svejedno). Ja sam uzeo 100 gramski za Vrh bogova zato što se na knjizi Stranci u raju od 800 stranica 120 gramski pokazao predebeo i krut i neadekvatan. I bilo je ljudi koji su se isto žalili na njega. (i na Strancima i na Vrhu bogova. I to čak isti ljudi, ako se dobro sjećam)
Kakav je tržišni odnos cijena između 100 gramskog offsetnog papira i žuckastog Munkena ? Odnosno koliko bi to moglo utjecati na pojedinačnu cijenu izdanja ? |
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