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sawitch
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Posted - 12/10/2023 : 10:32:24  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send sawitch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sad sam nesto citao i skontao da pojma nemam razliku izmedju naziva u gusarskoj prici. Zna li neko razliku izmedju sledecih pojmova: gusari, korsari, bukaniri, pirati? Pretpostavljam da nisu svi jedno te isto.


Gusari - drzavni kriminalci (kao u Srbiji sto imamo)
Pirati - privatni "preduzetnici"

Ostali su jos:

Bukaniri -
Korsari - sinonim za gusare.

Edited by - sawitch on 12/10/2023 14:36:37

panzer
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Posted - 12/10/2023 : 11:02:15  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send panzer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Gusar napada i pljačka za sebe, a pirat za državu ...

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sawitch
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Posted - 12/10/2023 : 11:03:35  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send sawitch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Editovacu u prvom postu informacije koje skupimo
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jaki
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Posted - 12/10/2023 : 11:06:15  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send jaki a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by panzer

Gusar napada i pljačka za sebe, a pirat za državu ...


Obrnuto.

Ja sam fetišist papira!
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Caleb
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Posted - 12/10/2023 : 11:50:46  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Caleb's Homepage  Send Caleb a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Koliko se sećam, bukaniri su plaćenici pirati. Angažovani od strane bogatih ljudi, čak i kraljevskih porodica, da gusare za njihove potrebe

Gusari šljakaju za sebe.

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jaki
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Posted - 12/10/2023 : 12:35:04  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send jaki a Private Message  Reply with Quote
https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gusari

Ja sam fetišist papira!
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NESVRSTANI
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Posted - 12/10/2023 : 12:35:49  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send NESVRSTANI a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Caleb

Koliko se sećam, bukaniri su plaćenici pirati. Angažovani od strane bogatih ljudi, čak i kraljevskih porodica, da gusare za njihove potrebe

Gusari šljakaju za sebe.



Obrnuto.
Gusari imaju "Letter of Marque", odnosno dozvolu da u ime države napadaju brodove s kojima je država u ratu.
Pirati su razbojnici koji pljačkaju sve redom.

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Edited by - NESVRSTANI on 12/10/2023 12:37:14
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Tonto
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Posted - 12/10/2023 : 12:38:50  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Tonto a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Wikipedija:

Gusari (engleski corsairs ili privateers) za razliku od pirata koji su imali u cilj vlastite interese, naziv je za pljačkaše na moru koji su bili u službi grada u kojemu su živjeli. Gusarenjem su se koristile mnoge države i kraljevine kroz stoljeća. Gusari su mogli biti pirati ili civilni vlasnici naoružanih brodova.

Za svoje napade su dobivali takozvana Kraljevska iliti Gusarska pisma (eng. Letter of Marque) koja su im dozvoljavala napade na trgovačke i ratne brodove one zemlje koja je trenutno u ratu sa zemljom koja im je izdala Gusarsko pismo. Pismo je onima koji su ga posjedovali jamčilo da u slučaju zarobljavanja neće biti obješeni kao pirati nego da će se prema njima odnositi kao prema ratnim zarobljenicima koji će biti pušteni uz otkup ili razmjenu. Pismom bi se oni koji su ga dobili također obvezali da će dio plijena koji steknu bez naknade predati zemlji koja im pruža zaštitu. Tijekom mnogih ratova europskih nacija koje su posjedovale kolonije na Karibima mnogi pirati su iskorištavali priliku da uzmu Pismo, postanu gusari, te se tako spase sudbine vješanja i zakonito steknu plijen. Tijekom borbi gusari su na svojim brodovima isticali zastave zemalja koje im pružaju zaštitu, a od 1694., po naredbi Britanskog Admiraliteta, engleski gusari su uz nju isticali i potpuno crvenu zastavu. Završetkom ratova gusari bi ostajali bez posla pa su često prelazili u pirate i napadali sve brodove, pa i one svojih bivših zaštitnika. Tijekom mirnih vremena gusari su ponekad bili slani u lov na pirate. U govornom engleskom, riječ privateer ne označava samo gusara kao osobu nego može označavati i gusarski brod.

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sawitch
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Posted - 12/10/2023 : 12:48:50  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send sawitch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nisam znao za naziv "Letter of Marque." Naucih jos nesto novo.
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NESVRSTANI
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Posted - 12/10/2023 : 14:06:51  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send NESVRSTANI a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sawitch

Nisam znao za naziv "Letter of Marque." Naucih jos nesto novo.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_of_marque

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sawitch
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Posted - 12/10/2023 : 14:36:17  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send sawitch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Po tome su onda gusari i korsari isto, sinonim.

Jos bukaniri..
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DiSkAcH
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Posted - 12/10/2023 : 15:14:58  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send DiSkAcH a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sawitch

Po tome su onda gusari i korsari isto, sinonim.

Jos bukaniri..



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Buccaneers were a kind of privateers or free sailors particular to the Caribbean Sea during the 17th and 18th centuries. First established on northern Hispaniola as early as 1625, their heyday was from the Restoration in 1660 until about 1688, during a time when governments in the Caribbean area were not strong enough to suppress them.[2]

Originally the name applied to the landless hunters of wild boars and cattle in the largely uninhabited areas of Tortuga and Hispaniola. The meat they caught was smoked over a slow fire in little huts the French called boucans to make viande boucanée – jerked meat or jerky – which they sold to the corsairs who preyed on the (largely Spanish) shipping and settlements of the Caribbean. Eventually the term was applied to the corsairs and (later) privateers themselves, also known as the Brethren of the Coast. Though corsairs, also known as filibusters or freebooters, were largely lawless, privateers were nominally licensed by the authorities – first the French, later the English and Dutch – to prey on the Spanish, until their depredations became so severe they were suppressed.

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