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alexts
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Serbia
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Posted - 11/09/2024 : 13:10:49  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send alexts a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Jeste bitnije šta je najbolje od nekog.

Ali za scenariste komercijalnih ongoing serijala, teško je i setiti se koliko epizoda čega su pisali, a kamoli u pamćenju držati njihove analize.

Ostaje samo neka ukupna slika o Roju Tomasu, Marvu Volfmanu, Serđu Boneliju - ako to nije "prosečna vrednost", ono je opšti utisak ili tako nešto.
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Tonto
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Posted - 11/09/2024 : 13:49:49  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Tonto a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Meni je tu Gaiman najbolji primjer. Ako cemo po najboljem djelu ide u top 3, ako cemo po prosjeku pitanje da li bi usao u top 20.
The less I have the more I am a happy man
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naker
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Posted - 11/09/2024 : 14:43:51  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send naker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Za knjige bi se složio, za stripove baš i ne. Sandman i Od signala do šuma su mu vrhunske stvari, dok su Knjige magije, Death, 1602, Caped Crusader iznad prosečne stvari.

Umetnici se pamte po najboljim delima, ne po proseku.
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Lord Vader89
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France
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Posted - 11/09/2024 : 15:04:27  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Lord Vader89 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Roja Tomasa eventualno u top minus dvadeset
Potpis u dva reda, prema pravilniku:
Vader je, kao i uvek, u pravu. ; john connor ; 2022 A.D.
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Tonto
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Posted - 11/09/2024 : 15:04:42  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Tonto a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by naker

Za knjige bi se složio, za stripove baš i ne. Sandman i Od signala do šuma su mu vrhunske stvari, dok su Knjige magije, Death, 1602, Caped Crusader iznad prosečne stvari.

Umetnici se pamte po najboljim delima, ne po proseku.


Meni nisu. Solidni, ali nikako iznad prosjeka. Jedino mozda orhideja ide iznad prosjeka, al to sam citao prije 20 godina pa nisam siguran.
The less I have the more I am a happy man
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Tonto
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Posted - 11/09/2024 : 15:08:40  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Tonto a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lord Vader89

Roja Tomasa eventualno u top minus dvadeset
Roj je zakon.
The less I have the more I am a happy man
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alexts
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Serbia
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Posted - 11/09/2024 : 15:10:02  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send alexts a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by naker



Umetnici se pamte po najboljim delima, ne po proseku.


Pa koje su ti najbolje epizode Princa Valijanta? Ili ćeš ceo opus proglasiti za jedno delo, da bude lakše? I kad smo već kod toga, ko je pisao sve epizode? Sam Foster, dok je crtao ili...?
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alexts
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Posted - 11/09/2024 : 15:20:49  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send alexts a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Najbolje epizode Segarovog Popaja? Da li treba da ih znam, koje su?
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Lord Vader89
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France
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Posted - 11/09/2024 : 15:26:22  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Lord Vader89 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tonto

quote:
Originally posted by Lord Vader89

Roja Tomasa eventualno u top minus dvadeset
Roj je zakon.


kako tvorac Vulverina da ne bude zakon xD
Potpis u dva reda, prema pravilniku:
Vader je, kao i uvek, u pravu. ; john connor ; 2022 A.D.
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ridiculus
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Posted - 11/09/2024 : 16:36:27  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send ridiculus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tonto

quote:
Originally posted by Lord Vader89

Roja Tomasa eventualno u top minus dvadeset
Roj je zakon.


Slažem se sa obojicom. Roj je nezaobilazan. Nažalost!

Svi ovi omni- i multiverzumi i realnosti kao mogućnosti, a mogućnosti kao sudbine u superherojskim stripovima njegova su krivica.
Thought's the slave of life, and life Time's fool.
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ridiculus
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Posted - 11/09/2024 : 16:39:40  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send ridiculus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by alexts

Najbolje epizode Segarovog Popaja? Da li treba da ih znam, koje su?




Nema na čemu!
Thought's the slave of life, and life Time's fool.
Edited by - ridiculus on 11/09/2024 16:40:41
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don_draper
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Posted - 11/09/2024 : 20:23:52  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send don_draper a Private Message  Reply with Quote
U planu je za vikend otvoriti onda cijeli proces. Nakon vaših konstruktivnih prijedloga i kritika, konačna pravila će se ponešto izmijeniti, ali ostajem pri sustavu kvota. Objašnjenja će biti navedena pravovremeno.

I da, savjet je da se uzmu u obzir najbolja djela i vrhunci jer je tako najbolje rangirati umjetnike. Kad bi gledali prosjek u karijeri David Bowie nikad ne bi bio tako slavljen jer je 30 godina objavljivao svakojake gluposti.
I sell the fact that I can't be bought
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ridiculus
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Posted - 12/09/2024 : 13:03:53  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send ridiculus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by naker

Umetnici se pamte po najboljim delima, ne po proseku.


Čak i Frank Miller!
Thought's the slave of life, and life Time's fool.
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alexts
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Serbia
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Posted - 12/09/2024 : 13:41:15  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send alexts a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ali se zanatlije pamte po proseku. Ako je neko dobar moler, zna se da svima dobro radi, nisu bitni najbolje okrečeni stanovi.
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naker
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Posted - 12/09/2024 : 13:58:30  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send naker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ridiculus

quote:
Originally posted by naker

Umetnici se pamte po najboljim delima, ne po proseku.


Čak i Frank Miller!


On ide u De Niro kategoriju. Ako govorimo o najboljim stvarima onda idu u najbolje ikada, ali ako se gleda prosek šta su uradili u poslednjih 20god...

I onda tu je Nicolas Cage koji prkosi svim zakonima kosmosa i statističke metodologije.
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don_draper
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Posted - 13/09/2024 : 18:37:27  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send don_draper a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Gore u prvom postu su updateana pravila i raspored.

NOMINACIJE ZA PRVU KATEOGRIJU SU OTVORENE
I sell the fact that I can't be bought
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naker
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Posted - 13/09/2024 : 20:01:24  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send naker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
- Alan Moore
- Frank Miller
- Garth Ennis
- Grant Morrison
- Warren Ellis
- Neil Gaiman
- Brian Azzarello
- Charles Schulz
- Bill Watterson
- Chris Claremont
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izivko
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Germany
12676 Posts

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Posted - 13/09/2024 : 20:03:01  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send izivko a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Brubaker, Ed
Crumb, Robert
Eisner, Will
Mignola, Mike
Millar, Mark
Remender, Rick
Rucka, Greg
Russell, Craig P.
Shelton, Gilbert
Windsor-Smith, Barry

Zakasnio 2 min. Moram mijenjati
Have mercy
Edited by - izivko on 14/09/2024 14:25:06
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ridiculus
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Posted - 13/09/2024 : 20:08:43  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send ridiculus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Draperu, vidi se da pristupaš ovome sa filmskom zaleđinom. U smislu same forme stripa, više bih voleo kada bi ljudi govorili o arhitektama nego o scenaristima. Chris Ware je dobar na tom bazičnom nivou strukture, ali kao standardni scenarista? Teško.

No, šta je tu je. Istorija stripa, posebno u Americi, ide takvoj podeli u prilog. Idemo dalje.
Thought's the slave of life, and life Time's fool.
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ridiculus
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Posted - 13/09/2024 : 21:34:58  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send ridiculus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
E.C.Segar
Carl Barks
Leonard Starr
Stan Lee
Archie Goodwin
Howard Chaykin
Walter Simonson
John Ostrander
Matt Wagner
Kurt Busiek

Nisam imao mesta za neke nove spisatelje, ali ne pratim u poslednjih 10 godina, pa nisam siguran koga bih stavio.
Thought's the slave of life, and life Time's fool.
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don_draper
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Posted - 13/09/2024 : 21:49:10  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send don_draper a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ridiculus

Draperu, vidi se da pristupaš ovome sa filmskom zaleđinom. U smislu same forme stripa, više bih voleo kada bi ljudi govorili o arhitektama nego o scenaristima. Chris Ware je dobar na tom bazičnom nivou strukture, ali kao standardni scenarista? Teško.

No, šta je tu je. Istorija stripa, posebno u Americi, ide takvoj podeli u prilog. Idemo dalje.


Negdje sam morao staviti kriterij, iako strip je dosta kompleksna umjetnost za tako razdvajati scenarij i vizuale.
Da sam stavio 100 najznačajnijih ljudi u stripu, onda bi mi to djelovalo previše široko i nedorečeno.
I sell the fact that I can't be bought
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Ernie Pike
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Croatia
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Posted - 13/09/2024 : 22:39:20  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Ernie Pike a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Peter O'Donnell
Tom Tully
Hal Foster
Milton Caniff
Frank Robbins
Elliot Caplin
George McManus
Dik Browne
Scott Adams
Gary Larson
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Red Marquis
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Serbia
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Posted - 13/09/2024 : 23:23:11  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Red Marquis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Peter Bagge
Derf Backderf
Julia Wertz
Guy Delisle
Joe Matt
Julie Doucett
Bryan Talbot
Bob Fingerman
Harvey Pekar
Adrien Tomine
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KuntaKinte
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Serbia
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Posted - 14/09/2024 : 01:01:18  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send KuntaKinte a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Alan Moore
Warren Ellis
Tom King
Matt Kindt
Robert Kirkman
Hernandez bros
Brian Michael Bendis
Frank Miller
Greg Rucka
Brian K Vaughan
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Mr. Bushido
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Croatia
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Member since 23/09/2005

Posted - 14/09/2024 : 01:04:00  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Mr. Bushido a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by don_draper

quote:
Originally posted by ridiculus

Draperu, vidi se da pristupaš ovome sa filmskom zaleđinom. U smislu same forme stripa, više bih voleo kada bi ljudi govorili o arhitektama nego o scenaristima. Chris Ware je dobar na tom bazičnom nivou strukture, ali kao standardni scenarista? Teško.

No, šta je tu je. Istorija stripa, posebno u Americi, ide takvoj podeli u prilog. Idemo dalje.


Negdje sam morao staviti kriterij, iako strip je dosta kompleksna umjetnost za tako razdvajati scenarij i vizuale.
Da sam stavio 100 najznačajnijih ljudi u stripu, onda bi mi to djelovalo previše široko i nedorečeno.

Zato moraš napraviti i izbor za 100 najboljih crtača.
Comics is any art you can read. -- Sean T. Collins
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