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stinky
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Posted - 02/01/2019 : 17:23:02  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit stinky's Homepage  Send stinky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
tonka,
pa ja govorim da čovjek treba na put, treba tražiti.
dobro je to što si napisao, a opet, ima nešto što te priječi da muški staneš na noge. kao da ti fali fundament. to se ne da naći tako da skačeš tamo vamo. tonka, zna se što je dobro, što valja, nema tu niakvih dvosmislenosti i ovakvih i onakvih strana.
to ti je ko u onoj sclavijevoj stotki, onoj njegovoj temi "traženja samog sebe", pa nas je gnjavio sa svojim degenričnim manjkavostima i edipalnim temama. pričam o Priči o Dylanu Dogu. tamo ima neko mjesto gdje sclavi kaže nešto o labirintu uma i labirintu duše, i naravno, i tu je sfulao, nije do kraja razumio to što piše.

jer, tonka, labirint uma ima bezbroj izlaza (tu se sclavi i ti zapetljate), ali labirint duše ima samo jedan!
taj jedan izlaz Hamvas zove početni položaj i to je dobro štivo za tebe (Hamvas - Kršćanstvo, uzmi, čitaj, razmišljaj).

a filmova ima petsto za tebe, no prvo Južnjačka utjeha.
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Tonka24
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Posted - 02/01/2019 : 17:35:30  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Tonka24 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Zna se ali neki ne razmišljaju kako bi trebalo, pa ne znaju a neki ne žele namjerno da znaju,valjda im je tako lakše ili su jednostavno takvi.
Hvala na preporukama.

If I had all the money in the world,I'd probably burn it all.If a smile could save the world,You know I'd heal you all.

Edited by - Tonka24 on 02/01/2019 17:36:06
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Zula
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Posted - 03/01/2019 : 11:20:53  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Zula a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Od nabrojanih filmova s prethodne strane pogledao 178/207
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Obi-wan
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Posted - 03/01/2019 : 11:43:23  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Obi-wan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ima svega par što nisam gledao sa popisa, možda desetak.

What you call sanity, it’s just a prison in your minds that stops you from seeing that you’re just tiny little cogs in a giant absurd machine.
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andjusticeforall
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Posted - 03/01/2019 : 23:46:57  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send andjusticeforall a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Jao, jebote pa to tonka i smrdljivac divane, mal sam cugno, pa vas čitam sutra, no molio bih da se napravi stalna tema vaših razgovora, garantiram da bi bila velika čitanost.

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elva
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Posted - 04/01/2019 : 13:31:20  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send elva a Private Message  Reply with Quote
u ovim popisima nisam vidio:
The last temptation of Christ
Deliverance
Maratonci trče počasni krug
Tko to tamo peva
Once upon a time in America
Once upon a time in west
Dr. Strangelove
Paklena naranča
Forrest Gump
Let iznad kukavičjeg gnijezda
12 majmuna
Brazil
Za šaku dolara
Dobar, loš, zao
Za dolar više
Sedmorica veličanstvenih
Divlja horda
nema Lyncha
nema Kurosawe
Nema Orson Wellesa
nema Bogarta
nema Fellinia

Sjetio bi se još toga...

Ja ili drugi,razlike su to posrijedi.
Pa ti kontaj sada,šta je sve to šta nas djeli.
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Tonka24
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Posted - 04/01/2019 : 17:44:54  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Tonka24 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by andjusticeforall

Jao, jebote pa to tonka i smrdljivac divane, mal sam cugno, pa vas čitam sutra, no molio bih da se napravi stalna tema vaših razgovora, garantiram da bi bila velika čitanost.


Imaš i u stripovskom djelu pa uživaj.

If I had all the money in the world,I'd probably burn it all.If a smile could save the world,You know I'd heal you all.
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Dexters
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Posted - 04/01/2019 : 23:06:58  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Dexters a Private Message  Reply with Quote
a gdje vam je A Clockwork Orange, 12 Angry Men, Glengarry Glen Ross?

edit: okej, elva je spomenuo paklenu naranču, bravo elva :D

Edited by - Dexters on 04/01/2019 23:09:27
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Tonka24
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Posted - 04/01/2019 : 23:12:35  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Tonka24 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ja sam je gledao ovih dana, ostavio sam komentar ali na drugoj temi.

If I had all the money in the world,I'd probably burn it all.If a smile could save the world,You know I'd heal you all.
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vice
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Posted - 04/01/2019 : 23:17:06  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send vice a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Scent of a Woman.

And like that... he's gone.
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swamp thing
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Posted - 05/01/2019 : 15:40:58  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send swamp thing a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dexters

a gdje vam je A Clockwork Orange, 12 Angry Men, Glengarry Glen Ross?

edit: okej, elva je spomenuo paklenu naranču, bravo elva :D


Vrhunski film, a prolazi debelo ispod radara, kome god spomenem taj film blijedo me gleda.
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vice
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Posted - 05/01/2019 : 16:54:05  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send vice a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Pravi primjer kazališne drame u mediju filma.

And like that... he's gone.
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Andrey
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Posted - 06/01/2019 : 19:30:38  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Andrey a Private Message  Reply with Quote
ante gotovina (2019)

puno postam, uprati https://twitter.com/talsakob

sclavi>originalni radovi junjija ita
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nagor
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Posted - 10/02/2019 : 10:38:14  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send nagor a Private Message  Reply with Quote



Konačno pogledao novog Blade Runnera. Ajde, još i razumijem tu famu oko prvog. Atmosferičan film s odličnim vizualijama za to vrijeme i vrhunskim soundtrackom. Precjenjen film ali ima svojih vrlina.

Ovaj novi 2049 je stvarno definicija arthouse wannabe hipsterskog praznog predugačkog i sporog filma u kojemu se ništa na kraju nije dogodilo. Stvarno loše utrošenih dva i pol sata. Nekarizmatičan glavni lik, prazne nepotrebne scene s praznim dijalozima, motivi koji su započeti samo da mogu biti odmah zaboravljeni, vizualije koje uopće nisu toliko impresivne koliko ih se hvali, nepostojeći soundtrack... Loše.

Ali općenito je originalni Blade Runner jedan od onih filmova koji s razlogom nosi naziv "kultni". Slijepo obožavanje manjine na koje se prikopča mainstream većina. Sudeći po ocjenama i kritikama nastavka, prikopčali su se i na ovo smeće od BR-a 2049. Smiješno mi je što to slijepo obožavanje dolazi iz te neke kao genijalnosti u kojoj je Deckard kao replikant. "Genijalnost" koja u biti dolazi iz lijene greške pri montaži:

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The dialog in all releases of the movie prior to the Final Cut alludes to another replicant who dies before Deckard's final battles with Pris and Batty. The conflicting dialog occurs in the first conversation between Deckard and Bryant. Bryant initially tells Deckard there are four "skin jobs" on the loose, but minutes later says six escaped, and one was killed by the "electronic gate", which should leave five. The explanation is that the script originally contained an additional replicant named "Mary", but time and budgetary constraints resulted in her being written out. The role was removed at such a late stage, that it had already been cast. Mary was to be played by Stacey Nelkin. Nelkin had auditioned for the role of Pris, but after her audition, she was offered Mary instead. M. Emmet Walsh who plays Bryant, reports that new dialog was recorded to change the number of replicants in this scene, but Scott inexplicably only used half of the new dialog, resulting in the inconsistency. This inconsistency is corrected in the Final Cut version of the film, although interestingly, in the Workprint, Byrant does indeed say "two" replicants were killed. There are lengthy debates among the movie's fandom on whether Deckard is a replicant himself, the sixth replicant is believed by some to be Deckard.


Deckard replikant? Totalna glupost koja uništava najbolji dio originalnog filma - "tears in the rain" scenu Rutgera Hauera i glavni motiv cijelog filma - ljudskost replikanata vs ljudskost ljudi.

Rutger je rekao i najveću istinu i o ovom nastavku:

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When asked for his thoughts about the sequel beforehand, Rutger Hauer (who played Roy Batty in Blade Runner (1982)) stated that he was completely indifferent to it. He saw no reason why the makers would go back to something which he thought was already perfect, but admitted that it could be considered a compliment. He was equally unimpressed after seeing the film, stating that "it's not a character-driven movie and there's no humor, there's no love, there's no soul. You can see the homage to the original. But that's not enough to me."
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vukozec
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Posted - 10/02/2019 : 13:56:00  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send vukozec a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by nagor



Deckard replikant? Totalna glupost koja uništava najbolji dio originalnog filma - "tears in the rain" scenu Rutgera Hauera i glavni motiv cijelog filma - ljudskost replikanata vs ljudskost ljudi.



Možeš li objasniti kako točno mogućnost da je Deckard replikant uništava glavni motiv koji spominješ? Naprotiv, samo ga pojačava: Deckard je replikant koji je poprimio toliko ljudskosti da ni ti ne znaš prepoznati razliku ;)

A i ovo što si citirao potvrđuje da nije riječ o nikakvoj grešci u montaži, već o svjesnoj odluci:
"M. Emmet Walsh who plays Bryant, reports that new dialog was recorded to change the number of replicants in this scene, but Scott inexplicably only used half of the new dialog"

Dakle snimili su novi dijalog, ali namjerno ga nisu iskoristili. Da je i bilo slučajno, riječ je o genijalnom potezu zbog kojeg se o filmu raspravlja već skoro 40 godina ;)

A novi je zgodan filmić sam po sebi, ali nepotreban. Naročito je bezveze upravo to što su stvari koje su u originalu ostavljene neodgovorene da nas, kao što rekoh, kopkaju već skoro 40 godina, u nastavku eksplicitne. Ali to je boljka mnogih nastavaka, moraju nastaviti priču kojoj ne treba nastavak pa krenu objašnjavati što ne treba objasniti (Halloween, Matrix, itd.).

Edited by - vukozec on 10/02/2019 13:58:28
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nagor
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Posted - 10/02/2019 : 15:39:15  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send nagor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Greška i zajeb u montaži. To je valda jasno. Ta greška je dvadesetak godina bila jedan od glavnih argumenata teorije po kojoj je i Deckard replikant. To je bila toliko očita greška da ju je Scott, iako fan te teorije, morao popraviti u svom final cut-u.

To da je i Deckard replikant oduzima jačinu zadnjoj sceni. Normalno da oduzima. Nije isti kraj ako je kraj "dva robota se fajtaju i na kraju jedan robot drugome nešto priča" ili kraj u kojem jedno umjetno biće djelom i riječju pokaže više ljudskosti od samog ljudskog bića Deckarda.
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vukozec
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Posted - 10/02/2019 : 16:36:51  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send vukozec a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ali kud ćeš više pokazivanja ljudskosti od strane umjetnog bića od toga da je i sebe i nas publiku tijekom cijelog filma držao u uvjerenju da je čovjek?

Konkretna scena o kojoj pričaš je možda nastala greškom, ali Scottova namjera je očito bila da nam ostavi puno hintova da bi Deckard mogao biti replikant (ali da ipak nismo 100% sigurni). Spominješ final cut: ako se ne varam on završava sa scenom u kojoj Deckard sanja jednoroga...

Edited by - vukozec on 10/02/2019 16:37:21
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nagor
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Posted - 10/02/2019 : 20:48:43  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send nagor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Da, ima više hintova i pogotovo u final cut-u, ali ne uzimam ih za ozbiljno budući da je final cut Scotovo poigravanje z nečim što nema smisla i nečim što je izraslo iz fanovskog filozofiranja, a ne iz originalnog scenarija.
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DiSkAcH
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Posted - 11/02/2019 : 10:18:44  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send DiSkAcH a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Jednorog isto ukazuje da je Deckard replikant.
BTW meni je najdraži theatrical cut gdje je Deckardova naracija, iako zvuči kao da mu se neda živit, meni se baš to sviđa.
I da, meni je ovo definitivno naj SF film, a u tom vrhu mi je i propali Dune za koji većina misli da je smeće.
BR 2049 mi je isto odličan, ali definitivno ispod originala, da je moglo bez njega, moglo je.
Inače preporučam da se pogledaju i ona tri kratka prikvela (dva live action i jedan anime)prije gledanja BR2049 jer su onda neke sitnice jasnije.

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nagor
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Posted - 15/02/2019 : 12:40:35  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send nagor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
http://collider.com/will-smith-explains-why-he-turned-down-the-matrix/#images

Val Kilmer kao Morpheus?
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emirem
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Tek danas javili.
Legenda.
"Dan velikih valova" jos imam na dvd-u.

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nagor
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Posted - 08/03/2019 : 22:45:12  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send nagor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sjećam ga se iz Airwolfa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY5ogQ-kZrY

Slovenski A kanal je vrtio te američke serije iz 80ih. Ah, memories.
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