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vice
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Posted - 29/10/2019 :  16:12:56  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send vice a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by vukozec

Wolf Creek (2005)

Film koristi isti trik kao The Descent iz iste godine : podjela filma na dva čina različitih tonova. U prvom činu imamo elaboriranu ekspoziciju karaktera i odličnu kameru koja alterira kadrove koji se koncentriraju na izraze lica i poglede protagonista sa kadrovima australske prostrane divljine. Drugi čin počinje naglo, prebacivanjem sklopke u makabričnu noćnu moru. Kao i u slučaju spomenutog Descenta, trik je kod mene upalio. U prvom dijelu imamo osjećaj misterije i nedefinirane jeze. Nismo sigurni kamo sve to vodi, ima li tu nadnaravnih elemenata itd. Početak drugod dijela je kao buđenje kantom hladne vode. U tom dijelu da, film postaje torture porn, no za razliku od modernih torture porn filmova poput Hostela (također iz iste godine), zbog prvog čina ovaj put nam je stalo do protagonista (i zato ih nije potrebno više od troje). Uzimanje vremena za klasično razvijanje likova prije nego se vrata pakla otvore je nešto što je uvijek plus u hororima (recimo, Egzorcist najveći dio svog vremena troši upravo na to), no često se ignorira. Antagonist je također puno zanimljivi od prosječnog šutljivog manijaka iz slashera, koji se sporo kreće i uvijek izranja iz mraka. Manijak u ovom filmu je brbljav, vrckast, nije svemoguć, griješi i krvari.

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Wolf Creek 2 (2013)

U drugom dijelu naravno više nemamo element misterije i glupo bi bilo ponavljati istu formulu, pa se stvari kreću predvidljivom rutom: skrati prvi čin, prebaci čim prije na drugi, pojačaj sve, pojačaj gore, povećaj bodycount, pojačaj humor, pojačaj stravu, itd. U drugom dijelu se antagonistu pokušava umetnuti nekakva motivacija za njegova djela, pa on stalno urla nekakve ksenofobne besmislice. Dosta mi je to bedasto i bespotrebno ispalo. Film drži uvjerljiva izvedba glavnog protagonista.

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Serija je po meni skroz ok, pogotovo 1. sezona. Nastavak je na filmove. ;)

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vukozec
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Posted - 29/10/2019 :  16:55:43  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send vukozec a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Meh, ja ti baš ne gotivim serijale, nastavke, franšize...

Zapravo, cijela ta moderna navada da se svemu snima prequel, sequel, reboot, mladost, rasteže u sate i sate serija mi ide na veseljka.

Svi veliki likovi uglavnom imaju jednu priču vrijednu pričanja. Nema nastavka Crvenkapice. Ono, ovaj put nije vuk, nego medvjed. Nikad nisu napisane ni "Starac i rijeka", "Veliki princ" ili "Prije Kiklopa". Mi možemo raspravljati što je "rosebud" trebala značiti, pisati eseje, knjige o tome, ali nema nastavka u kojem nam je prikazana Kaneova mladost i eksplicitno objašnjeno zašto je to izgovorio. Kad se Harmonika pojavi na željezničkoj postaji ne znamo gdje je bio i otkud je došao, niti to saznamo, niti saznamo gdje je nestao na kraju filma. Gotovo. Sljedeći put smislite nešto novo.
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stinky
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Posted - 29/10/2019 :  17:29:39  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit stinky's Homepage  Send stinky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
To je u redu za velike filmove.
Za ove horor serijale (govorim o filmovima tipa petak 13-ti, strava u ulici brijestova, chucky itd.) nema veze, jer su to ionako klišejizirani filmovi, a počivaju samo na tom liku (čudovištu, nakazi, stvoru). Onda se radi taj lik dok ide, a priče su ionako više-manje jedno te isto. Onaj tko gleda jedno, može i drugo.
Ja inače ne gledam serije nešto pretjerano, skoro uopće ne, ali ove serijale sam volio pogledati, ne smetaju mi. Kažem, čak sam dobio volju ponoviti baš te, osamdesete, dražesno loše. Sad, toga ima puno, pa ću valjda nešto izabrati, u nekom vremenu, nije ipak da mi je tolika volja.
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Posted - 29/10/2019 :  17:36:02  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit stinky's Homepage  Send stinky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vukozec

Zapravo, cijela ta moderna navada da se svemu snima prequel, sequel, reboot, mladost, rasteže



Makar, s ovim se slažem, pogotovo što se tiče rimejkova, gdje onda 'objašnjavaju' kako je Michael Myers imao teško djetinjstvo i slične gluposti. To tobožnje racionaliziranje prebedastog&neobjašnjivog, kako je originalno napravljeno, to je istinski horor.
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vice
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Posted - 29/10/2019 :  19:43:28  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send vice a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nastavke i elongacije djela volin ukoliko imaju zabavan šmek. Za Rosebud i Bronsona smatram kako su perfektno dorečeni, no i da nisu, više je to stvar tko ima muda il mozga dirati takve klasike (kako je to fino Louis CK isprda sa židovskim rimejkom Kuma i Broderickom ;).

Horror je naprosto plodan žanr za rimejkove, rebootove, reimaginacije, cross-medijske adaptacije, sequele, prequele, interquele, sidequele i štavećnequele. :) I tako je odavno, možda i od samog začetka žanra.

Konkretno, Wolf Creek s1 je miljama ispred filmskog nastavka.

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Edited by - vice on 29/10/2019 19:45:11
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Posted - 30/10/2019 :  16:12:26  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send RadioClash a Private Message  Reply with Quote
https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2019/10/best-horror-movie-of-2018-hereditary-ari-aster.html

Best of 2019 : Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark, 3 from Hell

"I’ll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda."

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Posted - 30/10/2019 :  16:13:51  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send RadioClash a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Najboljih 100 fimova o vampirima https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2019/10/best-vampire-movies-of-all-time.html

50 filmova o avetima https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2019/10/best-ghost-movies-of-all-time.html

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Edited by - RadioClash on 30/10/2019 16:19:58
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vice
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Posted - 30/10/2019 :  19:01:18  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send vice a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Karte za Teksaški masakr su kupljene. Ide još netko?

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vukozec
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Posted - 30/10/2019 :  23:51:14  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send vukozec a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Bio danas na Suspiriji i Karnevalu, sutra preskačem.
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Posted - 31/10/2019 :  08:30:12  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send fandango a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vice

Nastavke i elongacije djela volin ukoliko imaju zabavan šmek. Za Rosebud i Bronsona smatram kako su perfektno dorečeni, no i da nisu, više je to stvar tko ima muda il mozga dirati takve klasike (kako je to fino Louis CK isprda sa židovskim rimejkom Kuma i Broderickom ;).

Horror je naprosto plodan žanr za rimejkove, rebootove, reimaginacije, cross-medijske adaptacije, sequele, prequele, interquele, sidequele i štavećnequele. :) I tako je odavno, možda i od samog začetka žanra.

Konkretno, Wolf Creek s1 je miljama ispred filmskog nastavka.



Ovo boldano, plus nemojte zanemariti ni financijsku stranu jednadzbe - horori zahtijevaju niska ulaganja, a mogu se bogovski oploditi na kino-blagajnama. Evo cisto ilustracije radi, The Conjuring Universe. Prvo je budzet, drugo je zarada u svijetu. Ozbiljna je lova u pitanju:

The Conjuring 	         $20 million 	$319,494,638 
Annabelle 	         $6.5 million 	$257,047,661 
The Conjuring 2          $40 million 	$320,392,818 
Annabelle: Creation      $15 million 	$306,515,884 
The Nun 	         $22 million 	$365,550,119 
The Curse of La Llorona  $9 million 	$122,133,739 
Annabelle Comes Home 	 $27 million 	$228,552,591


Edit: Nadolazeci filmovi su The Conjuring 3, The Nun Sequel i The Crooked Man.

Edited by - fandango on 31/10/2019 08:32:39
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vukozec
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Posted - 31/10/2019 :  10:46:20  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send vukozec a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Horor je najdugovječniji žanr koji je sam sebi dovoljan. Ne trebaju mu ni milijuni za specijalne efekte, ni glumci ni franšizirani likovi da ga nose (ok, neki negativci su franšizirani). Zato si mogu priuštiti ove manje budžete.

Kino program danas je: trećina horori, trećina crtići, MCU/DC i pokoji rom-kom chick-flick.
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Posted - 31/10/2019 :  19:08:43  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send RadioClash a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sa In Fabric završavamo https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2019/10/best-horror-movie-of-2019-in-fabric-peter-strickla.html

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Shaner
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Posted - 31/10/2019 :  20:04:34  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Shaner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RadioClash

Sa In Fabric završavamo https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2019/10/best-horror-movie-of-2019-in-fabric-peter-strickla.html


Baš ga danas pribavio. Jedva ga čekam pogledati, Strickland mi je jedan od najdražih novijih redatelja.


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vukozec
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Posted - 31/10/2019 :  20:41:12  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send vukozec a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Strickland radi ponajbolje omaže psihotroničnoj horor eurotici 60ih i 70ih (giallo, franco, rollin itd.). Ima tih hipsterskih omaža danas puno, no većina su puka imitacija bez imalo vlastitog stila, dok su Stricklandovi filmovi svoji.
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vice
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Posted - 01/11/2019 :  19:25:30  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send vice a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Samo da podsjetim, iako san siguran da većina već zna - tradicionalni HW freeleech na horror i gore je otvoren na cinemageddonu. :)

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Posted - 01/11/2019 :  21:57:17  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send RadioClash a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sada kad smo završili sa odbrojavanjem, vrijeme je da malo sumiramo rezultate.

1920: The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari
1921: The Phantom Carriage
1922: Nosferatu, eine Symphonie des Grauens
1923: The Hunchback of Notre Dame
1924: The Hands of Orlac
1925: The Phantom of the Opera
1926: A Page of Madness
1927: The Cat and the Canary
1928: The Man Who Laughs
1929: Un Chien Andalou
1930: The Unholy Three
1931: M
1932: Freaks
1933: King Kong
1934: The Black Cat
1935: Bride of Frankenstein
1936: The Devil Doll
1937: Song at Midnight
1938: J’accuse!
1939: Son of Frankenstein
1940: Rebecca
1941: The Wolf Man
1942: Cat People
1943: I Walked With a Zombie
1944: The Uninvited
1945: Dead of Night
1946: The Beast with Five Fingers
1947: The Red House
1948: Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein
1949: The Queen of Spades
1950: House By the River
1951: The Thing From Another World
1952: The White Reindeer
1953: House of Wax
1954: Godzilla
1955: The Night of the Hunter
1956: The Bad Seed
1957: The Incredible Shrinking Man
1958: Horror of Dracula
1959: House on Haunted Hill
1960: Psycho
1961: The Innocents
1962: Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?
1963: The Haunting
1964: Blood and Black Lace
1965: Kwaidan
1966: Dracula: Prince of Darkness
1967: Wait Until Dark
1968: Night of the Living Dead
1969: Horrors of Malformed Men
1970: The Bird with the Crystal Plumage
1971: The Devils
1972: Kolchak: The Night Stalker
1973: The Exorcist
1974: The Texas Chain Saw Massacre
1975: Jaws
1976: Carrie
1977: Suspiria
1978: Halloween
1979: Alien
1980: The Shining
1981: An American Werewolf in London
1982: The Thing
1983: Videodrome
1984: A Nightmare on Elm Street
1985: The Return of the Living Dead
1986: The Fly
1987: Evil Dead 2
1988: Spoorloos
1989: Santa Sangre
1990: Misery
1991: The Silence of the Lambs
1992: Dead Alive
1993: Cronos
1994: Interview with the Vampire
1995: Seven
1996: Scream
1997: Perfect Blue
1998: Ringu
1999: The 6th Sense
2000: Ginger Snaps
2001: The Devil's Backbone
2002: 28 Days Later
2003: A Tale of Two Sisters
2004: Shaun of the Dead
2005: The Descent
2006: Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon
2007: Trick ‘r Treat
2008: Let the Right One In
2009: The House of the Devil
2010: I Saw the Devil
2011: Take Shelter
2012: The Cabin in the Woods
2013: The Conjuring
2014: The Babadook
2015: It Follows
2016: The Witch
2017: Get Out
2018: Hereditary
2019: In Fabric

Made in:
Kina- 1 (Song at Midnight)
Finska- 1 (The White Reindeer)
Holandija- 1 (Spoorloos)
Novi Zeland- 1 (Dead Alive)
Australija- 1 (The Babadook)

Švedska- 2 (The Phantom Carriage, Let the Right One In)
Francuska- 2 (Un Chien Andalou, J’accuse!)
Kanada- 2 (Videodrome, Ginger Snaps)
Koreja- 2 (A Tale of Two Sisters, I Saw the Devil)

Italija- 3 (Blood and Black Lace, The Bird with the Crystal Plumage, Suspiria)
Mexico- 3 (Santa Sangre, Cronos, The Devil's Backbone)

Njemačka- 4 (The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, Nosferatu,The Hands of Orlac,M)

Japan-6 (A Page of Madness, Godzilla, Kwaidan, Horrors of Malformed Men, Perfect Blue, Ringu)

Britanija-11 (Dead of Night, The Queen of Spades, Horror of Dracula, The Innocents, Dracula: Prince of Darkness, The Devils, An American Werewolf in London, 28 Days Later, Shaun of the Dead, The Descent, In Fabric)

SAD-60 (Svi ostali)

Kod režisera nažalost nemamo pobjednika, jer 13 dijeli prvo mjesto sa po 2 filma:
Robert Wiene-2 ( (The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, The Hands of Orlac)
Paul Leni-2 (The Cat and the Canary, The Man Who Laughs)
Fritz Lang-2 (M, House by the River)
Tod Browning-2 (Freaks, The Devil-Doll)
Alfred Hitchcock-2 (Rebecca, Psycho)
Jacques Tourneur-2 (Cat People, I Walked with a Zombie)
Terence Fisher-2 (Horror of Dracula, Dracula: Prince of Darkness)
Dario Argento-2 (The Bird with the Crystal Plumage, Suspiria)
John Carpenter-2 (Halloween, The Thing)
David Cronenberg-2 (Videodrome, The Fly)
Wes Craven-2 (A Nightmare on Elm Street, Scream)
Guillermo del Toro-2 (Cronos, The Devil's Backbone)
Jee-woon Kim-2 (A Tale of Two Sisters, I Saw the Devil)

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Shaner
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Posted - 03/11/2019 :  09:51:57  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Shaner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Pogledao In Fabric. Ovako na prvu rekao bih da je najslabiji Stricklandov film. Nabacao je sve i svašta unutra i još nisam siguran do koje mjere to funkcionira, no ima odličnih momenata i svakako ga vrijedi pogledati.


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