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chemako
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Posted - 20/01/2005 : 13:56:58  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send chemako a Private Message
Prije par dana sam citao novu epizodu za gore navedenog strip junaka "Lijepa provincija".I epizoda možda nije loša ali onaj prijevod,onaj purgerski sleng.Da se razumijemo nemam ništa protiv tog slenga ali ovaj put je jednostavno uništio cijeli strip.
Vjerovatno su za to krivi objektivni razlozi.Možda onaj koji je naucio na prijevod koji je bio u predratnim izdanjima ne može da skuži ovaj novi ali stvarno sam se "mucio" dok sam citao i moje je mišljenje da je taj prijevod sa tim slengom uništio ovu epizodu.Stoga bi preporucio svakom ko voli,za mene ipak Talicnog preskoci ovu epizodu ili pak ako tek pocinje upoznavati ovog junaka da uopce ne citaju stare predratne epizode da ne bi imali iste probleme kao i ja. Advertorial selfish punctuator ulexite spellful. Harsh morality painfullness ebullism sightliness medicate felonious compassionately cryoprotector frontlet metrophlebitis sentence.
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Watashi
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Posted - 20/01/2005 : 14:58:55  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Watashi's Homepage  Send Watashi a Private Message
Nisu valjda? Joooj sjecam se kad su to isto probali u alanu fordu. Ajme debila, pa ko opce dodje do zakljucka da bu to pomoglo u icemu? Pasmaters, citam taj strip od djetinjstva i onda mi se neko pametan javi sa "uu ajmo im iskrivit govor jer je to guba"

AAARGH!!!!1

Nisam se tolko iznerviro jos otkad su probali paju patka prevest tak da su svi govorili "rek'o, im'o..." :E

"I don't think God put me on this planet to judge others. I think he put me on this planet to gather specimens and take them back to my home planet."
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Markos
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Posted - 20/01/2005 : 15:04:15  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Markos's Homepage  Send Markos a Private Message
Nisam citao, ali kako bi ti preveo strip koji je u originalu napisan na nekoliko dijalekata (sto je pretpostavljam ovdje slucaj?)

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Watashi
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Posted - 20/01/2005 : 15:10:09  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Watashi's Homepage  Send Watashi a Private Message
Onak kak je alan ford prevadjan, onak kak je lucky luke prevadjan vec stoljecima, onak kak je asterix prevadjan i miljon drugih serijala koji su dobro klepali puno prije nego se neko sjetio da se to moze prevest "bolje neg dosad"

"I don't think God put me on this planet to judge others. I think he put me on this planet to gather specimens and take them back to my home planet."
--Jack Handey
Edited by - Watashi on 20/01/2005 15:10:55
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Markos
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Posted - 20/01/2005 : 15:29:45  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Markos's Homepage  Send Markos a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Watashi

Onak kak je alan ford prevadjan, onak kak je lucky luke prevadjan vec stoljecima, onak kak je asterix prevadjan i miljon drugih serijala koji su dobro klepali puno prije nego se neko sjetio da se to moze prevest "bolje neg dosad"

KAKO?
Ponavljam pitanje. Kako bi ti preveo dijalekte iz originala na hrvatski?

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Watashi
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Posted - 20/01/2005 : 15:39:22  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Watashi's Homepage  Send Watashi a Private Message
Ak je neki novi strip u pitanju onda da, vjerojatno bi koristio neke od lokalnih dijalekata (ko sto se u shtrumpfovima radilo), al kod stripa koj je na jedan nacin prevadjan vec 517 miljona godina, stvarno ne vidim smisao u otkrivanju tople vode. Ja se dan danas nemrem naviknut na nove zagore prevadjane na hrvacko-hrvacki. A ak vidim talicnog toma na zagorskom, ubicu se iste sekunde :D

"I don't think God put me on this planet to judge others. I think he put me on this planet to gather specimens and take them back to my home planet."
--Jack Handey
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Witchblade
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Posted - 20/01/2005 : 15:39:57  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Witchblade a Private Message
Nisam ni ja citao "Lijepu provinciju" pa ne mogu suditi o tome, ali ovako a priori, cini mi se da je Markos postavio dobro pitanje...

Problem je kako "podomaciti" a da to valja, jer ako ne valja, onda bas jako ne valja. Meni se npr. zgadio prijevod prve epizode Asterixa na hrvatskom (izdanje "Izvora"), s nekakvim "cedama" i "jugodenariusima"... neduhovito, isforsirano, deplasirano, jednom rijecju jadno

"Ja sam malo puk'o, znate, zivim kraj azotare i nocu ne mogu da spavam ako malo ne popijem"
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Watashi
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Posted - 20/01/2005 : 15:40:51  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Watashi's Homepage  Send Watashi a Private Message
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Edited by - Watashi on 20/01/2005 15:43:45
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Maximuss
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Posted - 20/01/2005 : 15:41:04  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Maximuss's Homepage  Send Maximuss a Private Message
Meni je OK kad se prevodi na dijalekt. Kod naseg jezika hvala Bogu ima materijala. Nervira me ovaj neki ulicnomodernopoamerikaniziranopreseratorski sleng kakav je Tally imao u svojim prijevodima. Cini mi se da je u zadnje vrijeme prestao.
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Watashi
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Posted - 20/01/2005 : 15:44:42  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Watashi's Homepage  Send Watashi a Private Message
"prjevod je ko zena. Ako je vjeran, nije lijep, a ako je lijep, nije vjeran" :)

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Maximuss
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Posted - 20/01/2005 : 15:47:58  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Maximuss's Homepage  Send Maximuss a Private Message
Di si to iskopao? :))
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Watashi
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Posted - 20/01/2005 : 15:52:21  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Watashi's Homepage  Send Watashi a Private Message
Neki prastari citat, zaboravih ciji, al je to citiro tip u nekom hr c/b filmu, zaboravio sam kojem... Okay, no more weed for me :P

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Watashi
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Posted - 20/01/2005 : 15:53:45  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Watashi's Homepage  Send Watashi a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Maximuss

ulicnomodernopoamerikaniziranopreseratorski sleng


Ahahah, odma se sjetim inspektora shtefa i njegovog "ok boss" :D

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Markos
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Posted - 20/01/2005 : 15:54:46  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Markos's Homepage  Send Markos a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Watashi

Ak je neki novi strip u pitanju onda da, vjerojatno bi koristio neke od lokalnih dijalekata (ko sto se u shtrumpfovima radilo), al kod stripa koj je na jedan nacin prevadjan vec 517 miljona godina, stvarno ne vidim smisao u otkrivanju tople vode. Ja se dan danas nemrem naviknut na nove zagore prevadjane na hrvacko-hrvacki. A ak vidim talicnog toma na zagorskom, ubicu se iste sekunde :D

"I don't think God put me on this planet to judge others. I think he put me on this planet to gather specimens and take them back to my home planet."
--Jack Handey


Po tome bi i Lucky Luke ostao Talicni Tom. Pa ni ja nisam znao sto je Talicni do prije dvije godine. Ozbiljno. A kako ce neko dijete to znati sada.

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Maximuss
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Posted - 20/01/2005 : 15:57:45  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Maximuss's Homepage  Send Maximuss a Private Message
I ja sam se bogme iznenadio kad sam saznao da "Talicni" nesto znaci. :))
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Watashi
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Posted - 20/01/2005 : 16:01:51  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Watashi's Homepage  Send Watashi a Private Message
A sto ce se tek danasnja djeca iznenadit kad saznaju da "lucky" nesto znaci :P

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Maximuss
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Posted - 20/01/2005 : 16:02:42  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Maximuss's Homepage  Send Maximuss a Private Message
Hehe! Mislit ce da slusa onoga Lvckya!
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Watashi
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Posted - 20/01/2005 : 16:07:30  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Watashi's Homepage  Send Watashi a Private Message
I jede luk :D

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Maximuss
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Posted - 20/01/2005 : 16:08:34  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Maximuss's Homepage  Send Maximuss a Private Message
Haha! Stvarno! :))
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Markos
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Posted - 20/01/2005 : 16:14:45  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Markos's Homepage  Send Markos a Private Message
Zaprepastio bi se kad bi znao koliko danasnji klinci znaju engleski...

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Maximuss
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Posted - 20/01/2005 : 17:34:57  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Maximuss's Homepage  Send Maximuss a Private Message
Od moje cure sestra je gledajuci kabelsku naucila njemacki toliko da mi je sasvim smisleno prevodila neke recenice iz mog udzbenika iz njemackog. Horor!
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Djole
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Posted - 20/01/2005 : 17:41:45  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Djole a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Maximuss

Nervira me ovaj neki ulicnomodernopoamerikaniziranopreseratorski sleng kakav je Tally imao u svojim prijevodima.


Guba!

Watashi, odlican citat.

Nego, cek, jel' mu talicni po zvanicnoj gramatici hrvatskog dode relikt iz srpskog ili ne?

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Toninho
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Posted - 20/01/2005 : 20:59:49  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Toninho a Private Message
odveli ste me u druge vode
mene osobno zelo iritira kad se voditelji u djecjim emisijama na htveju uzkajkaju
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chemako
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Posted - 21/01/2005 : 10:43:59  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send chemako a Private Message
Ja sam samo želio reci da je ova epizoda po meni sa tim prijevodom upropašcena.Što se tice dijalekata mogli su napraviti neki kompromis pa izostaviti npr.c.c kao što govore u Trogiru.Na taj nacin se ne bi tako upropastilo tu epizodu,a shvatilo bi se da je izgovor drugaciji tj. da je u pitanju dijalekt.Samo onaj koji strip prevodi treba ga na neki nacin i osjecati što sa novim prevoditeljima ocito danas nije slucaj.
A to što se nije znalo što znaci Talicni,vjerovatno ni ja ne bi to znao da nisam stariji i da nisam objašnjenje cuo od još starijeg kolekcionara.Ali isto tako se sjecam one zabavne emisije na HTV-u koju je vodila Sanja Doležal prije par godina kada Gibonni nije znao šta je to krampus.A isto tako imamo na našoj dalekovidnici još slicnih forsiranja toga slenga tipa repka,telka itd. za koje isto mislim da današnji klinci ako nisu Zagrepcani ne znaju kao što ne bi znali ni što znaci Talicni.

Ali da se ne udaljim od teme.Ja samo želim reci da bi takve prijevode trebalo izbjegavati.Malo je to što su ionako nove epizode Talicnog Toma ili Srecka Munje ili Lucky Luka toliko loše u odnosu na stare da ne treba i prijevod da u tome sudjeluje.
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Aco
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Posted - 21/01/2005 : 10:57:23  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Aco's Homepage  Send Aco a Private Message
Što se prijevoda tice,Slovenci su u jedinom albumu LL koji je kod nas izašao preveli Talicnog u Srecni Luka što je sasvim OK i ispravno,ali meni je ipak najdraže Talicni Tom(zbog nostalgije,naravno)i nikako se ne mogu naviknuti na Lucky Luke.

Što se Lijepe Provincije tice,nisam je još procitao ali sam primjetio da je prijevod u stilu zagrebackog slenga što mi se nije baš dopalo.Da odmah rascistimo;nemam ništa protiv Zagreba,obožavam taj grad i jedva cekam da ga sutra ponovno posjetim;-))Vjerojatno je i original u tom nekom slengovskom stilu Quebeca koji je kod nas težko prevodljiv tako da su se prevoditelji odlucili za ovu "zagrebacku" varijatnu.

Slažem se sa Chemakom da su nove epizode puno slabije od onih starijih Goscinnyjevih.Svidjeli su mi se jedino SLikar i POseban tretman.

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BiDi
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Posted - 21/01/2005 : 11:56:42  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit BiDi's Homepage  Send BiDi an ICQ Message  Send BiDi a Private Message
Aco: Lucky Luke se kod nas prevodu s Srecni Luka vec sigurno više od 25 godina... vec u najranijim slovenskim verzijama Politikinog Zabavnika je bio Srecni Luka... pa onda u crtanim filmovima u kinima...

Tako mi mlijeka u prahu, kidam naljevo
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