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alen
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 Posted - 13/07/2005 : 10:56:17
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Originally posted by Thommo
Šta stvarno na Nathanu ima najava za Tellera ili je to zajebancija?
Ja bih ga uzimao, cisto zato jer u LMS nisam procitao veliku vecinu Kita Tellera.
Jang je pokrenuo zajebanciju jer se u naslovu sljedeceg Nevera spominje neka Teller zenska osoba. Mislim da je naslov "Prica o Kathy Teller" ili tako nesto.
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dsormaz1
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Posted - 15/07/2005 : 19:30:16
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Originally posted by nenno
eto, kako smo docekali konacno Marka i Bleka, koliko me sjecanje služi od bitnijih junaka "stare garde" fale nam još samo spomenuta dvojica (svaka cast Džudasu, Karabina Slimu, Timu i Dastiju ali....). Na ovaj topic me ponukala znatiželja da cujem vaše mišljenje o ova dva junaka, tj. da se napravi neka usporedba koliko ima slicnosti i razlike izmedu njih s obzirom da se radi o junacijam koji su smješteni u isto vrijeme, oboje su rendžeri i sl.... Eto, meni osobno je nekako Mali Rendžer bio puno bolji i ozbiljniji u odnosu na Kapetana Mikija (nešto slicno kao Mark u odnosu na Bleka). Istina, EsseGesse su radili dobar posao sa crtežom, ali u ono vrijeme su i Gamba&Co. bili na visini zadatka. Za razliku od vecine junaka neke meni najbolje epizode dolaze cak i kasnije (Ku-kux-klan sa Bignottijem), a moram priznati da sam se kod Malog Rendžera prvi put "upoznao" i sa dvojcem Montanari&Grassani (Brodolomci, Na dnu mora,. Eto, s obzirom na cinjenicu da su se vratili Mark i Blek porasla mi je i nada da bi se ako ne oboje barem Kit Teller mogao vratiti na ove prostore.
Ja sam sve navedene junake nekad volio citati, ponekad se sa sjetom prisjetim kako sam kao klinac jedva cekao da se pojave na kiosku...nekako sam vise volio citati Kita Tellera, ali i Miki mi je onda bio super...onda nisam ni znao da rendzeri Nevade uopce nisu postojali, a kamoli da su nosili nekakve uniforme (nisu ih nosili ni texaski rendjeri, osim glavnih zapovjednika) i bili tako strogo vojnicki organizirani i tome slicno, kao sto se stjece dojam iz tih stripova... |
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I like girlz
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Bosnia and Herzegovina
7808 Posts
Member since 18/01/2005 |
Posted - 16/07/2005 : 16:01:14
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Originally posted by Wahoomi
I like girlz, mislim da Miki nije povijesno utemeljen i da nikad nisu postojali Rendžeri Nevade, ali nisam stoposto siguran, ima ovdje vecih strucnjaka za americku povijest. Stvarno nikad nisam naletio u nekoj knjizi ili enciklopediji da se spominju Rendžeri Nevade, a na texaške sam naletio masu puta.
koliko sam i ja upoznat, zaista nisu postojali, jer bih sigurno negdje cuo ili procitao o njima. |
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Djole
stripovi.com suradnik
Serbia
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Posted - 16/07/2005 : 16:06:48
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In the fall of 1860 the election of Lincoln further emboldened the antislavery leaders in Kansas. The threat alone set off a widespread panic. The last Southern settlers fled into Missouri, among them the Federal District Judge, who warned that abolitionists would soon invade Missouri to "release every slave, hang every master". The frightened people Vernon County petitioned the governor for state protection and the state's major military force was sent out, under Brigadier General D. M. Frost, to "repel invasions and restore peace". This so-called "Southwest Expedition" saw no action and was soon withdrawn. But before leaving, Frost authorized the raising of three local companies of rangers and one of artillery "to patrol and protect the frontier". Vernon County's company numbered some 80 men under the acting captaincy of Lieutenant R. A. Boughan of Balltown. It passed the winter on the Little Osage near the border. The headquarter's company and the artillery battery (four brass six-pounders), stationed at Balltown, did a good deal of heavy drinking but no fighting at all. They were still there when the Civil War itself broke out the following April.
http://www.nevamo.com/NevadaThen.htm
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I like girlz
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Bosnia and Herzegovina
7808 Posts
Member since 18/01/2005 |
Posted - 16/07/2005 : 16:21:09
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| dobro djole, šta si s time htio da ukažeš? spominje formiranje rangera duž granice missourija i kansasa u dijelu vernon county-a pred pocetak americkog gradanskog rata. kakve veze ima s nevadom? |
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Thommo
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Croatia
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dsormaz1
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Member since 28/04/2002 |
Posted - 23/07/2005 : 12:51:45
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Na brzinu sam pregledao tekst pod linkom, ali nigdje nisam uocio nista o rendjerima Nevade.
Sto se tice rendjera u gradjanskom ratu, poznati su texaski rendjeri, ali i tzv. Missouri Partisan Rangers, sto je bio sluzbeni naziv za gerilce zloglasnog Quantrilla, koji su najvise djelovali na podrucju Missourija i Kansasa.
Inace, najbolji stripovski prikaz organizacije i djelovanja rendjera u drugoj polovici 19. stoljeca mi je u Texu Willeru (dakle bez uniformi, koje su nosili samo samo najvisi zapovjednici a najveci cin je bio 'kapetan', bez nekakve stroge vojnicke organizacije, jer rendjeri su bili poluvojna formacija, koja je u to vrijeme djelovala u pogranicnom podrucju Texasa, New Mexica i Arizone, boreci se uglavnom protiv krijumcara oruzja i stoke, a sjediste im je bilo u jednom mjestu ili utvrdjenju u Texasu, ne sjecam se tocno kojem). |
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Heyoka
stripovi.com suradnik
Bosnia and Herzegovina
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Posted - 23/07/2005 : 15:04:55
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Originally posted by SejoSexon
Po tri epizode u jednom izdanju za 29 kn!
Ase ležit vojnik Gorcin u zemlji svojoj. Na baštini tuždi žih. A smrt dozivah noc i dan. Mrava ne zgazih u vojnike odoh.
Ko to izdaje? Jutarnji list?  
"...nigdje, nigdje, nikad, niko nije pronasao stecak na kome Bosanac kleci i moli. Na kom je prikazan kao sužanj." M.Krleža
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AZ
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Croatia
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Posted - 23/07/2005 : 15:22:52
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Originally posted by dsormaz1
Na brzinu sam pregledao tekst pod linkom, ali nigdje nisam uocio nista o rendjerima Nevade.
Sto se tice rendjera u gradjanskom ratu, poznati su texaski rendjeri, ali i tzv. Missouri Partisan Rangers, sto je bio sluzbeni naziv za gerilce zloglasnog Quantrilla, koji su najvise djelovali na podrucju Missourija i Kansasa.
Inace, najbolji stripovski prikaz organizacije i djelovanja rendjera u drugoj polovici 19. stoljeca mi je u Texu Willeru (dakle bez uniformi, koje su nosili samo samo najvisi zapovjednici a najveci cin je bio 'kapetan', bez nekakve stroge vojnicke organizacije, jer rendjeri su bili poluvojna formacija, koja je u to vrijeme djelovala u pogranicnom podrucju Texasa, New Mexica i Arizone, boreci se uglavnom protiv krijumcara oruzja i stoke, a sjediste im je bilo u jednom mjestu ili utvrdjenju u Texasu, ne sjecam se tocno kojem).
Partisan Rangers??!
Bilo je rendzera i u prvoj polovici 19.st. mislim.
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dsormaz1
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Posted - 25/07/2005 : 20:05:15
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Originally posted by AZ
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Originally posted by dsormaz1
Na brzinu sam pregledao tekst pod linkom, ali nigdje nisam uocio nista o rendjerima Nevade.
Sto se tice rendjera u gradjanskom ratu, poznati su texaski rendjeri, ali i tzv. Missouri Partisan Rangers, sto je bio sluzbeni naziv za gerilce zloglasnog Quantrilla, koji su najvise djelovali na podrucju Missourija i Kansasa.
Inace, najbolji stripovski prikaz organizacije i djelovanja rendjera u drugoj polovici 19. stoljeca mi je u Texu Willeru (dakle bez uniformi, koje su nosili samo samo najvisi zapovjednici a najveci cin je bio 'kapetan', bez nekakve stroge vojnicke organizacije, jer rendjeri su bili poluvojna formacija, koja je u to vrijeme djelovala u pogranicnom podrucju Texasa, New Mexica i Arizone, boreci se uglavnom protiv krijumcara oruzja i stoke, a sjediste im je bilo u jednom mjestu ili utvrdjenju u Texasu, ne sjecam se tocno kojem).
Partisan Rangers??!
Procitaj si ovaj tekst:
William T. Anderson
William T. Anderson's name is one that struck fear into the hearts and souls of the Federal Occupation Armies in Missouri.
William and Martha Anderson, Bill's parents came to Randolph County in 1840. This is the same year Bill was born. He had an older brother Ellis, younger brother James and younger sisters Mary C., Josephine and Martha.
In 1850 Bill's father went with a group of men from the county to the California Gold Fields. As Pro-Southern settlers the family moved to Agnes City, Kansas in 1857.
It is believed that Bill served in the Missouri State Guard up until the withdrawal from Lexington, at which time he returned home. In March 1862, Bill's father was murdered by Pro-Northern neighbors in some type of dispute. Soon after the family moved back to Platte County, Missouri.
By July of 1862, Bill and his brother Jim had joined with Quantrill's Partisan Rangers operating on the western border of Missouri.
A year later, the Union authorities acting out of frustration for losing most all of their encounters with the guerrillas, decided to banish all Southerns in the area who were helping these men defend their homes.
Mary and Josephine were arrested along with several other ladies in the area and imprisoned in an old hotel in Kansas City. On August 14, 1863 the building collapsed killing 14 year old Josephine and 3 others, and Mary being one of the badly injured.
The anguish Bill felt was overwhelming and all Union Soldiers thereafter were shot on the spot that fell into his hands. This is the same policy that the Union had had for two years in Missouri. One lone Sergeant, that he hoped to exchange after Centralia, ever lived to tell about it.
Anderson was killed in action October 26, 1864 near present day Orrick, Missouri. He was leading a charge through Union lines, seeing several comrades down, turned to help. His horse was shot and became uncontrollable and he was stuck down by a volley. The pain and anguish of losing a father, sister and numerous friends was over for this young man of 24.
Can anyone say for certain, that under the same circumstances that they would have acted any different. When justice is aligned against you, your friends and family, denied you by force of arms, you either find your own, die trying or bow and surrender.
The command of his unit was taken over by Archie Clement.
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Bilo je rendzera i u prvoj polovici 19.st. mislim.
Naravno da ih je bilo. Texaski rendjeri pojavili su se 20-ih godina 19. st. dok je Texas jos bio dio Meksika. Sudjelovali su i u ratu izmedju SAD i Meksika 1846.-48., kad je Meksiko izgubio oko 40% svog teritorija, cijelo podrucje izmedju Texasa i Californije (a Texas su izgubili jos 1836.).
Inace, formacije zvane rendjeri djelovale su jos za vrijeme britansko francuskog rata za posjede u Sjevernoj Americi (1754-60) i za vrijeme Americkog rata za nezavisnost (1775-83), samo s nesto drugacijom ulogom nego kasnije, u drugoj polovici 19. stoljeca...
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AZ
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SainT
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 26/07/2005 : 10:25:06
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Konacno da razjasnim!
Svi, pa i ja pogresno smo mislili da se radi o "Nevadi" kao americku saveznu drzavu.
Ali, u americku saveznu drzavu Missouri, prema granici sa Kansasom, u zapadnom dijelu Missourija, nalazi se gradic "Nevada". Ovo sam provjerio u jedan moj stari atlas iz 1979 Rand McNally sa sve americke savezne drzave. To podrucje treba biti ono pravo kod Kapetana Mikija!
"Work is the best antidote to sorrow, my dear Watson, and I have a piece of work for us both to-night which, if we can bring it to a successful conclusion, will in itself justify a man's life on this planet." SHERLOCK HOLMES to Dr. JOHN H.WATSON |
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Wahoomi
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Croatia
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Posted - 27/07/2005 : 04:07:01
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| Ali kod Kapetana Mikija se ipak radi o državi Nevadi, rendžeri su stacionirani u Fort Coulver, a najbliži grad im je Coulver City, nema rijeci o gradu Nevadi. |
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nebody
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Fed Rep Yugoslavia
598 Posts
Member since 04/01/2005 |
Posted - 28/07/2005 : 11:24:07
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Nisam imao pojma da je naziv partizan postojao tako davno. Mislio sam da je partizan doslo od partija.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partisan
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dsormaz1
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Posted - 30/07/2005 : 12:35:30
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| "Partizani" kao naziv za gerilce, ako se ne varam, koristio se i medju Rusima koji su gerilski ratovali protiv Napoleona za vrijeme njegovog pohoda na Rusiju. |
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