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Djole
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Posted - 26/09/2006 : 12:09:19  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Djole a Private Message
Um, ne, ideja Watchmena je da ce uski krug elite uvek raditi šta hoce na koži obicnih ljudi.

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DeeCay
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Posted - 26/09/2006 : 12:29:34  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send DeeCay a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Djole

Um, ne, ideja Watchmena je da ce uski krug elite uvek raditi šta hoce na koži obicnih ljudi.



Meni se i oko Wathcmena i Vendette uvijek motaju po glavi ljevicarske revolucionarne ideje o rušenju postojecih poredaka. Ne miroljubivim tehnikama, vec ekstremnim mjerama, pucom i ekscesima. No to je moje mišljenje...

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Djole
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Posted - 26/09/2006 : 13:07:40  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Djole a Private Message
U Vendetti da.

U Watchmenu nije na delu rušenje poretka, vec samo smena elita, isto kao i u MarvelManu.

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DeeCay
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Posted - 26/09/2006 : 13:14:30  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send DeeCay a Private Message
No, ali ne misliš da je speklakularni cin kojeg je metro poduzeo malo presrtrma cesta prema rušenju postojeceg sustava? Ili otvara mjesta Civilnom ratu? Ili novom hladnom ratu. Na smjenu elita nisam tako gledao, no naravno da je tako, diktatori ne nestaju, samo se izmjenjuju...

O cemu je rijec o MarvelManu? (da iskoristim još malo mjesta koliko je ostalo unutar topica Civil War)

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Djole
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Posted - 26/09/2006 : 14:44:21  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Djole a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by DeeCay

No, ali ne misliš da je speklakularni cin kojeg je metro poduzeo malo presrtrma cesta prema rušenju postojeceg sustava?


Ummm... metro?

quote:
Originally posted by DeeCay

O cemu je rijec o MarvelManu? (da iskoristim još malo mjesta koliko je ostalo unutar topica Civil War)


http://www.stripovi.com/mvm.asp

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Edited by - Djole on 26/09/2006 14:45:13
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DeeCay
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Posted - 26/09/2006 : 15:27:42  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send DeeCay a Private Message
Joj, kaj ja tresnem, ne captain metropolis vec Ozymandias


Glede MarvelMan-a, taj tekst sam procitao vec tako davno da sam vec i zaboravio da sam ga procitao...

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Djole
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Posted - 26/09/2006 : 15:44:13  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Djole a Private Message
Ozymandias je uradio ono što je smatrao za neophodno, da bi postigao ono što je smatrao dovoljno vrednim ciljem.

A posledica toga je da su izginuli svi sporedni likovi koji nisu nosili "tajice", odnosno koji ne pripadaju "eliti". Obican narod.

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Posted - 26/09/2006 : 15:55:50  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send DeeCay a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Djole

Ozymandias je uradio ono što je smatrao za neophodno, da bi postigao ono što je smatrao dovoljno vrednim ciljem.



Pa o tome govorim, postizanje ciljeva za opce dobro kroz korjenite promjene i to rušenjem dosadašnjeg režima/vlasti... Jel slican Ironmanu?

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A posledica toga je da su izginuli svi sporedni likovi koji nisu nosili "tajice", odnosno koji ne pripadaju "eliti". Obican narod.



To ce se desiti i u Civil War-u.



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DeeCay
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Posted - 26/09/2006 : 16:00:42  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send DeeCay a Private Message
Jel netko citao Black Panther #18? Vjencanje T'challe i Storm/Ororo u sjeni Civil War-a? Pomalo ženskasti event za jedan superherojski strip, nije li? A opet s druge strane, dopalo mi se...

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Djole
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Posted - 26/09/2006 : 16:05:30  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Djole a Private Message
Šta ce se desiti - ne znamo.

A drugaciji je pristup celoj ideji u CW-u i u Watchmenima (ne mogu da verujem da uopšte pricamo o uporedivanju ta dva stripa...). Poenta ptvog je da proda što više primeraka. Poenta drugog je da nam nešto kaže o otudenosti moci. Civil War koristi pocetnu, ali samo pocetnu ideju moci bez odgovornosti da bi imao fajtove. Watchmen zaista i kaže kako izgleda moc bez odgovornosti.

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DeeCay
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Posted - 26/09/2006 : 16:15:31  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send DeeCay a Private Message
Ne usporedujem, dakako da je Civilka fajtovski nastrojena, ipak su to mainstream heroji... Ali barem postoje neke naznake ideje o slicnosti ova dva spomenuta stripa. Ja spomenuo slicnost, ti se zakacio, sad si educirao Morao, ne morao.

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Constantine33
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Posted - 27/09/2006 : 00:45:16  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Constantine33's Homepage  Send Constantine33 a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Djole


Poenta ptvog je da proda što više primeraka. Poenta drugog je da nam nešto kaže o otudenosti moci.



i da usput proda što više primjeraka
nemojmo se zavaravati, watchmeni su briljantan strip koji na genijalan nacin obraduje svoju temu, ali to i dalje ne znaci da im je cilj iskljucivo educirati mase... sve što je izdano, izdano je da se proda

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Edited by - Constantine33 on 27/09/2006 00:45:51
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mr murdoc
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Posted - 27/09/2006 : 20:56:19  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send mr murdoc a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Constantine33

mislim da nije poanta u tome na kojoj si strani.... ovaj strip je trebao biti revolucionaran upravo po toj svojoj good guy vs. good guy koncepciji. no pro registration strana je tako plasticno okarakterizirana da to ubija svaku motivaciju koju bi citatelj uopce mogao imati da razumije njihove postupke i stajališta. a kloniranje thora me razocaralo, ocekivao sam nešto kreativnije od millara, iako mi se svidja raspad unutar fantasticne cetvorke. necu se povesti za djoletovim primjerom pa vec sad reci da vjerojatno ne valja, pricekati cu završetak da formiram svoje mišljnje do kraja. iako mi se za sad cini da je millar s cetvorkom uletio u kalup prosjecnosti iz kojeg se nece tako lako izvuci

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ooo bitno je na kojoj si strani..mrzim legaliste..a cap-a nikad nisam mogao smisliti i nisu im niti mogli dati neku vecu karakternu dubinu jer je legalisti ustvari i nemaju odnosno nikad je nisu ni imali,,kloniranje thora je zanimljivo koliko i blasfemicno,,hej pa klonirali su boga

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Djole
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Posted - 27/09/2006 : 21:01:42  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Djole a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Constantine33

i da usput proda što više primjeraka
nemojmo se zavaravati, watchmeni su briljantan strip koji na genijalan nacin obraduje svoju temu, ali to i dalje ne znaci da im je cilj iskljucivo educirati mase... sve što je izdano, izdano je da se proda


Izdano.

Ali ne i sve što je napravljeno.

Mislim, nije ni bitno, postoji ocita razlika izmedu necega što je poteklo kao vizija autora, i necega što je nastalo na sastanku izdavaca i EiC-a, pa onda dato scenaristi da pretoci u kakvu-takvu pricu.

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Constantine33
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Posted - 28/09/2006 : 03:55:18  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Constantine33's Homepage  Send Constantine33 a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Djole

Izdano.

Ali ne i sve što je napravljeno.



I stand corrected

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JohnDrake
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Posted - 28/09/2006 : 17:35:21  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send JohnDrake a Private Message
Amazing Spider-Man #535. Plot tickens. I tuca na kraju :)
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mr murdoc
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Posted - 28/09/2006 : 20:33:32  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send mr murdoc a Private Message
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Amazing Spider-Man #535. Plot tickens. I tuca na kraju :)


volim tuce na kraju ,,to je slag na jagode

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Constantine33
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Posted - 29/09/2006 : 17:39:27  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Constantine33's Homepage  Send Constantine33 a Private Message
ko se tuka s kim? objasni malo to plot thickens...... necu sad citati još i to govno od ams-a da bi uhvatio pricu civil wara

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Posted - 29/09/2006 : 19:04:28  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Mr. Bushido a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Constantine33

ko se tuka s kim?

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quote:
Originally posted by Constantine33

necu sad citati još i to govno od ams-a da bi uhvatio pricu civil wara

Zapravo, otkad je The Other prošao, Amazing Spider-Man postaje sve bolji i bolji. Jedan od rijetkih tie-in naslova koji su profitirali sa cijelom Civil War pizdarijom.

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mr murdoc
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Posted - 29/09/2006 : 19:59:41  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send mr murdoc a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Bushido

quote:
Originally posted by Constantine33

ko se tuka s kim?

-->>Spidey vs Iron Man

quote:
Originally posted by Constantine33

necu sad citati još i to govno od ams-a da bi uhvatio pricu civil wara

Zapravo, otkad je The Other prošao, Amazing Spider-Man postaje sve bolji i bolji. Jedan od rijetkih tie-in naslova koji su profitirali sa cijelom Civil War pizdarijom.

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oo citas mi misli,apsolutno se slazem,ooo jebemti kako se slazem

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Posted - 29/09/2006 : 21:38:39  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send DeeCay a Private Message
Koji su sad Spiderman naslovi ongoing?

Kad nas vidiš, ne bi rekao da možemo stvarati svjetove, zar ne?
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Posted - 30/09/2006 : 10:08:15  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Mr. Bushido a Private Message
quote:
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Koji su sad Spiderman naslovi ongoing?


Normalni Marvel universe:

- The Amazing Spider-Man
- Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man
- The Sensational Spider-Man (prije Marvel Knights Spider-Man)

Alternativni Marvel Universe:

- Ultimate Spider-Man
- Marvel Adventures Spider-Man (prije Marvel Age Spider-Man)
- Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane

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Posted - 30/09/2006 : 20:38:16  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send DeeCay a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Bushido

quote:
Originally posted by DeeCay

Koji su sad Spiderman naslovi ongoing?


Normalni Marvel universe:

- The Amazing Spider-Man
- The Sensational Spider-Man (prije Marvel Knights Spider-Man)



Dal se i ovaj SensationalSpiderman ubacio u Civil War i nadovezuje se na Amazing? KOliko sam procitao neke opise epioda, ovih zadnjih par epizoda kao da zlikovci vrebaju na SPidermanove poznanike i familiju, a u Amazingu je striktno povezan sa civilkom...

Kad nas vidiš, ne bi rekao da možemo stvarati svjetove, zar ne?
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JohnDrake
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Posted - 15/11/2006 : 23:09:47  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send JohnDrake a Private Message
#5: Frank!
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Boyan.P
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Posted - 15/11/2006 : 23:18:58  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Boyan.P a Private Message
evo prije sat vremena sam procitao 5icu,
ma zakon je ali užasno brzo se citaaa,
ali sve 5, 5 za 5ticu,
kada izadu još posljednja 2 treba sve u komadu procitat


strip je zakon
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