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Duh_koji_hoda
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Serbia
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Duh_koji_hoda
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Serbia
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Posted - 02/10/2006 : 17:33:00
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________________________ ''Zaboravio sam imena, brojeve telefona, mladeze na bezobraznim mestima, nicega se vise ne secam. Svi pravi mangupi boluju od amnezije...'' |
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torca
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746 Posts
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Posted - 02/10/2006 : 17:44:41
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Format: 170x260 Povez: Meki
dakle stvari su jasne, nije absolute edition. a zasto ga izdavac predstavlja kao takvog ne znam. vjerojatno se radi o zabuni. |
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Markos
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Croatia
29481 Posts
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prozirna senka
stripovi.com suradnik
    

USA
8240 Posts
Member since 22/04/2004 |
Posted - 02/10/2006 : 17:57:51
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Ima i tvrdi povez. Ali nije format Absolute, koliko sam ja shvatio. Sadrzaj, sto markos rece, vec (valjda) jeste.
Cuvajte, cedo moje milo, jezik kao zemlju. Rec se može izgubiti kao grad, kao zemlja, kao duša. Ne uzimajte tudu rec u svoja usta. Uzmeš li tudu rec, znaj da je nisi osvojio, nego si sebe potudio. |
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Duh_koji_hoda
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Serbia
3246 Posts
Member since 30/01/2003 |
Posted - 02/10/2006 : 18:01:04
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Postojace tri izdanja:
1. sa mekim povezom i numeracijom pod brojem 1 2. sa tvrdim povezom i numeracijom pod brojem 1 3. sa tvrdim povezom u kutiji, bez numeracije
________________________ ''Zaboravio sam imena, brojeve telefona, mladeze na bezobraznim mestima, nicega se vise ne secam. Svi pravi mangupi boluju od amnezije...'' |
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Toninho
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Croatia
3825 Posts
Member since 15/05/2004 |
Posted - 02/10/2006 : 21:14:02
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procito skenirano kolko god se to nekom ne svidalo scenario jaako dobar crtež poprilicno loš - jednom rekoh- žene ko stene uglavnom za preporuciti ja to onako skromno |
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beli luk
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Serbia
795 Posts
Member since 18/06/2006 |
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DeeCay
stripovi.com suradnik
    

Croatia
21661 Posts
Member since 24/09/2002 |
Posted - 03/10/2006 : 09:59:16
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Mooreov citat: "Ovo je najbolji moguci izbor ukoliko nikada niste citali graficke novele; a ako jeste, vrijeme je da procitate najbolju."
Mislite da bi ovo bio najbolji izbor za prvu graficku novelu koju bi netko morao procitati? Ja bih rade preporucio da se pocne sa necim lakšim...
Kad nas vidiš, ne bi rekao da možemo stvarati svjetove, zar ne? |
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JohnDrake
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467 Posts
Member since 08/01/2005 |
Posted - 03/10/2006 : 10:07:06
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quote: Originally posted by DeeCay
Mooreov citat: "Ovo je najbolji moguci izbor ukoliko nikada niste citali graficke novele; a ako jeste, vrijeme je da procitate najbolju."
Mislite da bi ovo bio najbolji izbor za prvu graficku novelu koju bi netko morao procitati? Ja bih rade preporucio da se pocne sa necim lakšim...
Wtf is graficka novela. Tom i Jerry u HC-u? Tex Maxi? From Hell?
Strip je strip. Dobar strip je dobar strip. Wocmen su glupi superheroji koje citaju amerikanci. Uostalom, tko to ide okolo i pita: "Ja bi sad cita graficke novele, imaš li šta za preporucit". |
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Rico
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Croatia
3955 Posts
Member since 12/10/2004 |
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zveles
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Croatia
4016 Posts
Member since 28/03/2003 |
Posted - 03/10/2006 : 10:31:02
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re: termin "graficka novela" (po tisuciti put)
graphic novel je termin kojeg je u americki strip zargon uveo will eisner i oznacava zaokruzenu strip cjelinu. u nasoj terminologiji taj "vizualni roman" bi najtocnije odgovarao uvrijezenom nazivu "strip album", ali ocigledno da izdavaci doslovnim prijevodom i upotrebom amerikanizma "graficka novela" svom izdanju zele pridodati neku nepostojecu novu vrijednost i na tako mistificiran nacin eventualno prodati koji primjerak vise.
osobno me smeta jedino to sto graphic novel nije preveden, pa je umjesto "vizualnog romana" u uporabi termin "graficka novela". inace, da se razumijemo, ova prituzba ne ide samo na racun bijelog puta, nego i na bernijevog blacksada gdje se na poledjini albuma takodjer spominje nesretna "graficka novela"...
http://zveles.blogspot.com/ |
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alen
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Croatia
4621 Posts
Member since 14/02/2005 |
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zveles
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Croatia
4016 Posts
Member since 28/03/2003 |
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phreek
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Croatia
144 Posts
Member since 25/08/2006 |
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Rico
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Croatia
3955 Posts
Member since 12/10/2004 |
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DeeCay
stripovi.com suradnik
    

Croatia
21661 Posts
Member since 24/09/2002 |
Posted - 03/10/2006 : 11:44:52
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Graficka novela im možda zvuci odraslije pošto ne sadržava rijec strip unutra , a nije ni prvi put da se neki termini prevode doslovno iz engleskog jezika.
Kad nas vidiš, ne bi rekao da možemo stvarati svjetove, zar ne? |
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jurica
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1799 Posts
Member since 19/02/2003 |
Posted - 03/10/2006 : 11:51:28
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quote: Originally posted by phreek
NADZIRACI?
NADZIRACI????
da mi nije smiješno, plakao bih... pa tko je to prevodio?
???
meni je to OK prijevod. ne mogu zapravo smisliti bolji, pa moram biti zadovoljan s ovim. sto te toliko isfrustriralo? tvoj prijedlog glasi?
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re: graphic novel Eisner SIGURNO nije izmislio taj termin (iako je kasnije tvrdio, kad su mu prigovorili da si daje zasluge koje ne zasluzuje, da je sad svjestan da je taj termin postojao prije, ali da ga je on nezavisno od toga izmislio). "[t]he term 'graphic novel' was probably invented by Milt Gross (1895-1953)." (http://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/uni_spe_mer_col_graphic.jsp)
moj stav prema maloumnom, netocnom i krajnje antipaticnom tipicno balkanskom prijevodu tog termina pravopisnom besmislicom "graficka novela" je uglavnom poznat. poznato je i da zastupam i zastupat cu da se koristi termin odavno poznat u hrvata "crtani roman", jer ako mamice (koje citaju ozbiljne, pisane romane poput Daniele Steel i sl.) nisu u stanju shvatiti da je strip medij u kojem se moze nacrtati i napisati kvalitetno duze narativno djelo - to je njihov problem i ja nemam nikakvu namjeru prilagodjavati se njihovim neukim malogradjanskim diskurzima. zapravo - draze mi je da se drzim derogativnog i prezrenog termina "crtani roman" jer onda znam da mi se oko toga nece kaciti nekakvi pseudointelektualci koji je svako malo opsjedaju "umnim" raspravama o knjizevnim mudrostima neukih Cohela, Bacha i sl.
_________________________ KAJGOD - strip zin i tjedni onlajn strip KUCA STRAHA na www.kajgod.co.nr |
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zveles
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Croatia
4016 Posts
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Posted - 03/10/2006 : 11:54:19
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mislim da bi "strip album" bio najbolje i najprimjerenije rjesenje koje bi zadovoljilo sve razlicite konotacije. "crtani roman" kod nas stvarno ima neki jeftini prizvuk obicnog i svakodnevnog dok termin "album" cijeloj stvari ipak daje dignitet necega vrijednog. 
- mama, kupi mi ovaj kulturno vrijedan ilistrirani album i obecajem da slijedeci tjedan necu markat iz skole...
- svakako sine. evo, uzet cemo odmah 4 komada i onda sam cijeli mjesec mirna s tobom. 
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jurica
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1799 Posts
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Posted - 03/10/2006 : 11:54:59
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quote: Originally posted by DeeCay
a nije ni prvi put da se neki termini prevode doslovno iz engleskog jezika.
to nije doslovno. to je neuko. "novel" ne znaci "novela" u engleskom jeziku. malo mi je neugodno sto se borci za dostojanstvo stripa pokazuju neukim seljo beljama. da su se drzali termina "strip" manje bi se sramotili pred knjiskim i ucenim svijetom.
bah!
neznalice i ignoramusi.
_________________________ KAJGOD - strip zin i tjedni onlajn strip KUCA STRAHA na www.kajgod.co.nr |
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phreek
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Croatia
144 Posts
Member since 25/08/2006 |
Posted - 03/10/2006 : 12:02:53
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quote: Originally posted by jurica
quote: Originally posted by phreek
NADZIRACI?
NADZIRACI????
da mi nije smiješno, plakao bih... pa tko je to prevodio?
???
meni je to OK prijevod. ne mogu zapravo smisliti bolji, pa moram biti zadovoljan s ovim. sto te toliko isfrustriralo? tvoj prijedlog glasi?
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nema tu "moj prijedlog". dovoljno je pogledati u bilo koji rijecnik. englesko-hrvatski ili englesko-srpskohrvatski ili englesko-hrvatsko srpski
WATCHMAN -> STRAŽAR, CUVAR
jednostavna, stara i svima poznata rijec
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Edited by - phreek on 03/10/2006 12:16:03 |
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DeeCay
stripovi.com suradnik
    

Croatia
21661 Posts
Member since 24/09/2002 |
Posted - 03/10/2006 : 12:14:51
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quote: Originally posted by phreek
WATCHMAN -> STRAŽAR, CUVAR
jednostavna, stara i svima poznata rijec
Znaš što? Ovdje se ne bi uopce pasalo niti stražari niti cuvari, pogriješio si kontekst. To bi opet znacilo nešto drugo. Nadziraci je oke, po meni.
Kad nas vidiš, ne bi rekao da možemo stvarati svjetove, zar ne? |
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jurica
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1799 Posts
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Posted - 03/10/2006 : 12:16:48
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quote: Originally posted by phreek
nema tu "moj prijedlog". dovoljno je pogledati u bilo koji rijecnik. englesko-hrvatski ili englesko-srpskohrvatski ili englesko-hrvatsko srpski
WATCHMAN -> STRAŽAR, CUVAR
jednostavna, stara i svima poznata rijec
posteno. iako se u biti ne slazem.
"strazar" ne funkcionira nikako, dakle ga se mora odmah odbaciti, a "cuvar" je OK, ali mi se cini da gubi malo na onoj dimenziji "nadzora". "nadziraci" je pomalo zastrasujuc termin, dok je "cuvari" ugodan.
ono - svi zelimo imati "cuvare", ali ne zelimo "nadzirace". u kontekstu stripa mi nekako "nadziraci" zvuci bolje, iako se slazem da je to sumnjiva rijec za koju nisam bas 100% siguran da postoji u standardnom jeziku (iz Hrvatske sam, pa ne znam bas savrseno srpski jezik)
_________________________ KAJGOD - strip zin i tjedni onlajn strip KUCA STRAHA na www.kajgod.co.nr |
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phreek
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Croatia
144 Posts
Member since 25/08/2006 |
Posted - 03/10/2006 : 12:18:10
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quote: Originally posted by DeeCay
Znaš što? Ovdje se ne bi uopce pasalo niti stražari niti cuvari, pogriješio si kontekst. To bi opet znacilo nešto drugo. Nadziraci je oke, po meni.
kako ne. pa to je baš to. i paše, i u kontekstu je, a i normalna je engleska rijec koja normalno stoji prevedena u rijecnicima. |
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phreek
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Croatia
144 Posts
Member since 25/08/2006 |
Posted - 03/10/2006 : 12:20:52
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a što radi stražar? izmedu ostaloga, i nadzire. i brani. i cuva. i drži stražu.
dajte, ljudi, molim vas.
malo prije je netko rekao da je protiv balkanskih izvedenica i izmišljanja tople vode.
evo vam rijecnik i u njemu regularna engleska rijec i regularna naša rijec! |
Edited by - phreek on 03/10/2006 12:21:31 |
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