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rocco21
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Croatia
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Dado
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Switzerland
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 00:20:39
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Predbiljezit cu te, ako jednom budemo radili reprinte...  
Ovaj naš beskrajni razvoj pretvara nas u nešto beskrajno drugo...oslobodi me Bože slobode bezGranicne |
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Markos
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Croatia
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 10:53:01
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Bio sam odsutan preko vikenda pa se nisam mogao javiti. Konkretno, dveribad zamjera izdavacima koji prodaju stripove van striparnica, bilo na standovima, bilo prijateljima jer smatra da se na taj nacin steti striparnicama koje se bore za opstanak. Tema je kompleksna i nije je lako razrijesiti, tako da u to ne bih ulazio, neka svaki izdavac radi kako misli da je najbolje. Sto se sticky-a tice, Dado ima odrijesene ruke staviti sticky sto god hoce vezano za libellus, mojim dopustenjem.
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simi
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812 Posts
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 11:05:22
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kužim dveribada ali meni je puno puta jako dobro došlo što mi je dado izašao u susret i u makarskoj davao stripove...kako nisam iz zagreba a u rijeci je pojam striparnica = prazan skup meni je to bilo iznimno važno, da ne spominjem još neke druge detalje...uglavnom sa stanovišta kupca to mi je iznimno važno...tim više što sam cesto dole a gotovo nikada u zgb... sa stanovišta kupca to podržavam - tim više što oni izlaze u susret ljudima koji su u slicnoj situaciji i ja.... |
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dveribad
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Croatia
2502 Posts
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 11:52:17
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-To stoji,ali nikada se i nece otvorit ako izdavaci prodavaju stripove u skladištima.Definitivno da je tema kompleksna. -Na kraju,krajeva,zašto recimo nema LIBELLUSOVIH stripova u MC? -Da li je zakonski dozvoljena ovakva prodaja?Ipak se radi o novom proizvodu,smije li se na ovakav nacin,javno,prodavat stripove po skladištima? |
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Pavel01
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Croatia
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 12:02:37
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ja mislim da bi izdavaci (ne svi) trebali placati reket! 
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dveribad
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Croatia
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simi
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812 Posts
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 12:09:02
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quote: Originally posted by dveribad
-To stoji,ali nikada se i nece otvorit ako izdavaci prodavaju stripove u skladištima.Definitivno da je tema kompleksna. -Na kraju,krajeva,zašto recimo nema LIBELLUSOVIH stripova u MC? -Da li je zakonski dozvoljena ovakva prodaja?Ipak se radi o novom proizvodu,smije li se na ovakav nacin,javno,prodavat stripove po skladištima?
dozvoljena je jer izdavac ima pravo po zakonu samostalno organizirati distribuciju svojih proizvoda...nije obavezan ici preko posrednika jedino je obavezan platiti porez po osnovi cijene koja ce morati (ili vec mora) biti otisnuta na knjizi(stripu) |
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Pavel01
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Croatia
2470 Posts
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 12:09:25
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quote: Originally posted by dveribad
-Krivo misliš,slika je kriva,ja mislim da bi im trebalo pomoc!
ne, ne, da se ti prodavaci (ne svi) izvuku ponekad iz rupa, lakse bi zivili. tenis je jako zdrav. 
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SejoSexon
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Austria
17229 Posts
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 12:31:23
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Ovo je za mene odlican potez Libellusa. Dado&Dado su još jednom pokazali da se radi o velikim profesionalcima koji svoj posao ozbiljno shvataju i koji svakom kupcu izlaze u susret. Nema svako mogucnost da ide do Zagreba, uvjeren sam da vecina kupaca pozdravlja ovaj korak.
But I'm just a soul whose intentions are good Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood
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Dok Lester
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 12:36:42
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ali uvijek nekom kurcu neka dlaka smeta
oprostite, htjedoh reci kuPcu
"When I do good, I feel good; when I do bad, I feel bad, and that is my religion." |
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simi
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812 Posts
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 12:41:30
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tim više što je ovo samo modificirana internet prodaja (ili kataloška) kako god tko želi...ti odabereš na internetu a o dostavi se dogovaraš s izdavacem....sutra ujutro cu tu postirati dio zakona koji regulira to pitanje zamolio sam u našoj pravnoj službi da mi to izvuku i po mojim saznanjima nema nikakva zakonska ogranicenja za ovo što dado&dado planiraju.... |
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dveribad
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Croatia
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Pavel01
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Croatia
2470 Posts
Member since 10/03/2007 |
Posted - 11/06/2007 : 12:57:03
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potpuno se slazem sa dveribadom i razumijem ga. koja je to pohlepa. pa jasno da se stripovi trebaju prodavati u stiparnicama a ne u nekim podrumima. izdajes i jos prodajes po maloprodajnoj cijeni. to je izdaja.
mc evo ti noga u guz pa ti zivi od zraka. to nije izdaja.
trebao bi se naci neki jaci igrac, otvoriti trgovinu, prosiriti se na cijelu hrvatsku i to prodavati. no tu treba uloziti puno truda, ja mogu samo predloziti/pomoci oko naziv(a), recimo "tisak".
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Croatia
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 13:17:52
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ja mislim da je odlicna ideja da se prodaju stripovi ovako preko interneta i po "podrumima"! pa ne zive svi u zagrebu gdje su libellus i MC osim toga, po vama koji smatrate da se stripovi trebaju prodavati iskljucivo u striparnicama - te stripove mi uopce ne bi smjeli kupovati na mafestu i slicnim dogadanjima(a siguran sam da ste ih svi kupili na mafestu) |
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SejoSexon
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Austria
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 13:20:38
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quote: Originally posted by dveribad
-Hvala na trudu,sve stoji,nije u tome bit.Potez je loš,nekorektan.Vidjet cemo.Skinite ovo.
Imaš li argumente za ovo što si napisao? Ja te nikako ne shvatam. Ne znam kome ce Libellus sa ovim potezom nanijeti štetu.
But I'm just a soul whose intentions are good Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood
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Pavel01
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Croatia
2470 Posts
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 13:24:57
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ma recite sto hocete ali jednostavno nije estetski prodavati stripove po podrumima, polukatovima, festivalima, vani...
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Dado
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Switzerland
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 13:34:38
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quote: Originally posted by dveribad
-To stoji,ali nikada se i nece otvorit ako izdavaci prodavaju stripove u skladištima.Definitivno da je tema kompleksna.
Sto se tice nase prodaje u Makarskoj i okolici, ona nije nastala kako bise srusila neka strip-knjizara, vec je nastala iz suprotnog razloga jer strip-knjizare nema, a mi zelimo olaksati nasim kupcima, u tim krajevima, nabavu i dostavu Libellus izdanja. Mi smo duze vrijeme pokusavali organizirati prodaju preko nekih potencijalnih prodajnih mjesta, no to nazalost nije funkcioniralo. Nemarnost u odjavljivanju robe i neplacanje racuna je ogroman problem. Kako pomoci drugima a da ne odnemognes sebi? Mi iz Libellusa bi bili najsretniji kada bi diljem HR postojale striparnice sa kojima bi se uredno i redovito moglo obavljati poslovanje oko nasih izdanja. No nazalost, to za sada nije slucaj.
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-Na kraju,krajeva,zašto recimo nema LIBELLUSOVIH stripova u MC?
O tome se vec pisalo. Nismo se uspjeli dogovoriti oko suradnje. Mi smo njima ponudili iste uvjete kao i Vedranu, no ti uvjeti njima nisu odgovarali, tako da nije doslo do nastavka suradnje.
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-Da li je zakonski dozvoljena ovakva prodaja?Ipak se radi o novom proizvodu,smije li se na ovakav nacin,javno,prodavat stripove po skladištima?
Zakon ne poznaje javnu, i manje javnu, privatnu, prodaju po skladistu, docim bi jedno bilo dopusteno a drugo ne. Kad nebi bilo dozvoljeno, onda bi to vrijedilo za oba nacina. A sto zakon kaze je vec Simi napisao pa se necu ponavljati. Mogu samo jos dodati kako Libellus uredno placa porez za svaki prodani strip, i to se u svako vrijeme bez problema moze provjeriti.
To je sve sto mozemo reci na ove teme.
Ovaj naš beskrajni razvoj pretvara nas u nešto beskrajno drugo...oslobodi me Bože slobode bezGranicne |
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Pavel01
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Croatia
2470 Posts
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 13:53:07
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ja kad bi iso prodavati stripove, prvo bi napravio petogodisnji plan. plan bih bih se sastojao od 3 faze. prvo otvoriti striparnicu, drugo pustiti par tona jeftinih stripova (dobro zasticenih) uzvodno niz savu do zagreba, osigurati ponudu i time centralizirati trziste, trece osigurati ekskluzivne ugovore sa izdavacima i ocistiti konkurenciju. uz to pratece pojave a. online striparnica koja radi ne radi par-nepar b. bonove za gigante (obostarne) c. primanje pretplate u pismu (samo devize) d. ...
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kico
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Croatia
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 13:55:16
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Makarskoj treba striparnica. Ako ima MaFEST,može i ona proc. Onako,po uzoru na Bookcaffe,sa mini barom i par stolica na štekatu. Dobrovoljno se javljam za ulaganje u to. Novcano,dakako.
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Pavel01
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Croatia
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wiskey
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Croatia
1250 Posts
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 14:53:53
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quote: Originally posted by wiskey
Nekom se možda nece svidjeti, ali cu ipak napisati. Meni je citav život pun qrac švercera i preprodavaca i posrednika. Došlo je do toga da proizvodac manje zaradi od svoje proizvodnje nego prodavac. Npr. pšenica. Otkupna cijena jedva 1 Kn za kg. Koliko se kruha može dobiti od 1 kg? Skoro toliko. A koliko je kg kruha? Od te cijene dajte svakome koliko tko uzme, pa cete vidjeti da uzmu najviše (i najlakše)prodavaci. A ZAŠTO? Zar stvarno ima ljudi koji misle da je teže prodati nego proizvesti? Pogledajte samo otkup voca, a koliko ga posrednici prodaju na tržnici. Nemam ništa protiv da netko i tako zaraduje. Ali, ZAŠTO odmah 100%. Da on doda svoju maržu od 10-20%. Ali najmanje 30% i to još uz neke uvjete. Trebaš ga još iz zahvalnosti poljubiti i u dupe. Ma, odjebi. Cijeli ovaj topic nisam procitao i ne zanima me što drugi misle, ali PUNU PODRŠKU dajem tandemu Dado&Dado. Zašto da moram ici u Zagreb ili hajde, neka sam cesto u Zagrebu po drugom pitanju i sada, ZAŠTO da u npr. MORE COMICU moram strip platiti toliko da dobijem dva, a platim tri?
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simi
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 14:57:35
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quote: Originally posted by wiskey
quote: Originally posted by wiskey
Nekom se možda nece svidjeti, ali cu ipak napisati. Meni je citav život pun qrac švercera i preprodavaca i posrednika. Došlo je do toga da proizvodac manje zaradi od svoje proizvodnje nego prodavac. Npr. pšenica. Otkupna cijena jedva 1 Kn za kg. Koliko se kruha može dobiti od 1 kg? Skoro toliko. A koliko je kg kruha? Od te cijene dajte svakome koliko tko uzme, pa cete vidjeti da uzmu najviše (i najlakše)prodavaci. A ZAŠTO? Zar stvarno ima ljudi koji misle da je teže prodati nego proizvesti? Pogledajte samo otkup voca, a koliko ga posrednici prodaju na tržnici. Nemam ništa protiv da netko i tako zaraduje. Ali, ZAŠTO odmah 100%. Da on doda svoju maržu od 10-20%. Ali najmanje 30% i to još uz neke uvjete. Trebaš ga još iz zahvalnosti poljubiti i u dupe. Ma, odjebi. Cijeli ovaj topic nisam procitao i ne zanima me što drugi misle, ali PUNU PODRŠKU dajem tandemu Dado&Dado. Zašto da moram ici u Zagreb ili hajde, neka sam cesto u Zagrebu po drugom pitanju i sada, ZAŠTO da u npr. MORE COMICU moram strip platiti toliko da dobijem dva, a platim tri?
pametni quotaju sebe a drugi njih u svakom slucaju ja sam onaj drugi ali potpisujem od rijeci do rijeci wiskeyev post |
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senad7
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Sweden
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 17:18:25
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quote: Originally posted by globinjo
quote: Originally posted by senad7
quote: Originally posted by globinjo
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Izvinjavam se zbog svog neznanja , mozda je to bilo prije na nekom topiku (promaklo mi u tom slucaju), a to je:Da li ima Libellusovih izdanja u Splitu ,u tom slucaju na kojem mjestu? Ove godine cu navratiti jedan dan u Split pa bi rado kupio nekoliko primjeraka.
imaš u columba...
...BEZ PINEZI I RIŠPETA RODILO SE DITE PUKA,IZ JUBAVI IZ DIŠPETA... ...i onda kad ne bude nas bilo,stripove ce citat' naše... ...KONTRA MRAKU KONTRA SILI,NARESLO JE KA IZ VODE I TRKALO DO SLOBODE...
Pitanje da li prodaje!??! Nekosta me nista da pokusam.Hvala za savjet.
pa naravno da ih prodaje...šta misliš,da ih ima za ukras 
...BEZ PINEZI I RIŠPETA RODILO SE DITE PUKA,IZ JUBAVI IZ DIŠPETA... ...i onda kad ne bude nas bilo,stripove ce citat' naše... ...KONTRA MRAKU KONTRA SILI,NARESLO JE KA IZ VODE I TRKALO DO SLOBODE...
Nisam znao da ima zalihu Libellusovih stripova...Prodajeli po Libellusovim cijenama ili on puca cijenu kako on hoce?
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dveribad
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Croatia
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 20:48:19
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quote: Originally posted by Dok Lester
ali uvijek nekom kurcu neka dlaka smeta
oprostite, htjedoh reci kuPcu
"When I do good, I feel good; when I do bad, I feel bad, and that is my religion."
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