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darkwoodaxe
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Croatia
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Posted - 13/06/2007 : 15:49:03
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Mislim da se ljudi trebaju pomiriti da doma ne mogu imati svaki strip,tri najpopularnija izdanja izdaje ludens, a ako se želi imati i sve od libellusa nastaju problemi,no kome je mm,kp ili nn najdraži nece mu biti žao dati pare,uostalom ako se kupuje sve novo nema se vremena za staro, pa koja svrha. Ljudi znaju napamet af dijaloge ne zato što su jednom procitali strip i stavili ga na policu. A puno novih izdanja mi ne djeluje kao politika na duge staze, više kao dok ide ide,take the money and run. |
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Tomislav
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Posted - 13/06/2007 : 17:38:23
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quote: Originally posted by darkwoodaxe Ljudi znaju napamet af dijaloge ne zato što su jednom procitali strip i stavili ga na policu. A puno novih izdanja mi ne djeluje kao politika na duge staze, više kao dok ide ide,take the money and run.
Upravo tako, ne moze neki strip steci kultni status sa nakladom od 500 primjeraka i cijenom u rangu mjesecnog deparca nekog osnovnoškolca |
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Tomislav
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Posted - 13/06/2007 : 17:41:03
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Da ne bi bilo zabune nemam ja nista protiv Libellusa i njegovih izdanja, upravo suprotno jer sam kupio veliku vecinu njihovih stripova ali mislim da ce se za par godina desiti to da ce ljudi jednostavno izgubiti interes za strip! Stara garda ce se zadovoljiti a novih citalaca/kolekcionara nece biti jer su im stripovi kao klincima bili nedostupni. Budimo realni, nitko se nece navuci na stripove sa 30 godina ako ih nije citao kao klinac. |
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Inferno
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Croatia
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Posted - 13/06/2007 : 19:02:30
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quote: Originally posted by Tomislav
Da ne bi bilo zabune nemam ja nista protiv Libellusa i njegovih izdanja, upravo suprotno jer sam kupio veliku vecinu njihovih stripova ali mislim da ce se za par godina desiti to da ce ljudi jednostavno izgubiti interes za strip! Stara garda ce se zadovoljiti a novih citalaca/kolekcionara nece biti jer su im stripovi kao klincima bili nedostupni. Budimo realni, nitko se nece navuci na stripove sa 30 godina ako ih nije citao kao klinac.
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Markos
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Dado
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Posted - 13/06/2007 : 19:26:03
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quote: Originally posted by DeeCay Ne mislim da želite samo brzu i laku zaradu, vec samo zaradu jer je to jedino opravdanje za ulaganje u biznis. Mislim da svako na ovom forumu kuži da neke stvari nejdu u velikim nakladama i na kioscima i da se vaša izdanja jedino tako isplati za izdavati.
Cekaj, nesto nisam skuzio... i DD ima svoja izdanja? Bavi se izdavastvom, pa mu odgovaras "Vasim izdanjima"...? Pizda jedna nikad mi nije rekao da se i time bavi... dobit ce pljusku. 
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Pavel01
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Croatia
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Posted - 13/06/2007 : 19:28:28
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quote: Originally posted by Markos
Je li ikada u zadnjih 15 godina bilo vise stripova na kioscima nego danas?
Kicking Squeeling Gucci Little Piggy
prije ca. 2 godine. danas, kad se ubroje knjige, ponuda je najbolja od kad je stripa.
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Dado
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Posted - 13/06/2007 : 19:38:11
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quote: Originally posted by Tomislav
quote: Originally posted by darkwoodaxe Ljudi znaju napamet af dijaloge ne zato što su jednom procitali strip i stavili ga na policu. A puno novih izdanja mi ne djeluje kao politika na duge staze, više kao dok ide ide,take the money and run.
Upravo tako, ne moze neki strip steci kultni status sa nakladom od 500 primjeraka i cijenom u rangu mjesecnog deparca nekog osnovnoškolca
Zato li samo imam osjecaj da se stalno vrtimo u krug? Osnovskolci ne kupuju stripove u nekoj znacajnijoj mjeri, nazalost, pa sve da kostaju 16 kuna. Kad bi bilo suprotno, stripovi po kisocima bi isli kao blesavi i neka izdanja bi isla sigurno cesce. Nisam bas vidio da se klinci otimaju za stripove na kioscima, cast manjem broju izuzetaka koji imaju nesto bolju prodaju i oni idu i redovitije. Da postoji veliki interes u najmanju ruku oni kompleti po 3 komada za dvadesetak kuna bi se prodavali kao ludi. Nisam stekao dojam da je to tako, mozda imam krive informacije.
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Markos
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Posted - 13/06/2007 : 19:41:37
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quote: Originally posted by Pavel01
quote: Originally posted by Markos
Je li ikada u zadnjih 15 godina bilo vise stripova na kioscima nego danas?
Kicking Squeeling Gucci Little Piggy
prije ca. 2 godine. danas, kad se ubroje knjige, ponuda je najbolja od kad je stripa.
Nemam sad vremena brojati, ali ne cini mi se bas da je prije 2 godine na kioscima bilo vise stripova nego danas. Je l' mozes to potkrijepiti brojkama? U principu, samo treba otici na kronologiju na sajtu i pobrojati.
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Dado
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Posted - 13/06/2007 : 19:41:45
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quote: Originally posted by Tomislav
Da ne bi bilo zabune nemam ja nista protiv Libellusa i njegovih izdanja, upravo suprotno jer sam kupio veliku vecinu njihovih stripova ali mislim da ce se za par godina desiti to da ce ljudi jednostavno izgubiti interes za strip! Stara garda ce se zadovoljiti a novih citalaca/kolekcionara nece biti jer su im stripovi kao klincima bili nedostupni. Budimo realni, nitko se nece navuci na stripove sa 30 godina ako ih nije citao kao klinac.
Nitko naravno nije ni pomislio da imas nesto protiv Libellusa, ne brini. Samo si u zabludi oko novih citatelja i kolekcionara. Kao sto sam napisao u postu iznad. A osim toga velika vecina strip albuma i kn jiga koja ne ide na kioske moze se naci u svim boljim knjiznicama i procitati za 0 kuna. Ako bi to klince interesiralo. Ali ih na zalost ne interesira...
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Pavel01
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Posted - 13/06/2007 : 20:11:46
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quote: Originally posted by Markos
Nemam sad vremena brojati, ali ne cini mi se bas da je prije 2 godine na kioscima bilo vise stripova nego danas. Je l' mozes to potkrijepiti brojkama? U principu, samo treba otici na kronologiju na sajtu i pobrojati.
Kicking Squeeling Gucci Little Piggy
bez da brojim, odokativno po subjektivnom osjecaju tvrdim da je lu/sa etc. (u mojim ocima primarni izdavac kiosk-stvari) uz jos neke sitne album/kiosk izdavace bio na vrhuncu prije ca. 2 godine (+- nije bitno). od onda nema vise bas iznenadjenja vrijednih spomena (novih izdanja, ubrzavanja...), a neki serijali se gase i/ili prelaze u knjige.
opet odokativno, mislim da ako danas ima vise kiosk izdanja, onda to moze biti samo remitenda. no opet, kad se sve zbroji, trenutno imamo tuto kompleto najbolju ponudu ikad do sada.
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lsvemir
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Croatia
433 Posts
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Posted - 13/06/2007 : 20:20:52
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quote: Originally posted by Inferno
Osobno ne skupljam nikakva Dnevnikova izdanja iz nekoliko razloga. 1) pošto sam nešto mladi nisam u stanju nabaviti ta stara izdanja u potpunosti; 2) necitljiva, osakacena, masna... (sukladno ondašnjoj tehnologiji); 3) sva ta stara izdanja ponovno izdaju sasvim kvalitetno Ludens & kompanija. Medutim ne uzimam ni HC jer: 1) mi je skupo; 2) volim kvantitetu, 3) ne palim se na finocu stripa i otkad sam procita prvi strip moje se želje što se ticu poboljšanja stripa nikad nisu ticale toga; 4)HC može imat estetsku kvalitetu, ali ne mora imati stripovsku kvalitetu koju smatram važnijom; 5.) Tu je Ludens & company koji nude jeftine i fine stripove, stripove u njihovom pravom smislu. Dakle, na kraju, ja sam poklonik samo novih kiosk strip-izdanja. To je moje mišljenje (moje kritike) i ne pada mi na pamet ulaziti u tude odluke. Neka svatko uzima što voli i koliko je sposoban. Rekao sam da ne skupljam LMS i ZS, ali ima ljudi koji te osakacene stripove kupuju po basnoslovnim cijenama. Mislim da tu nema nekog licemjerja (protiv su HC-a), vec je glavni razlog da se upotpunu rupe u kolekciji (kolekcionari ce znati koliko ta rupa boli).
- ne radi se o nikakvim rupama jer sad ispada da se stari kupuju samo radi rupa; dok se na ovom forumu ne shvati smisao zasto se skupljaju stari stripovi tj. zasto bilo tko na svijetu kupuje stare stvari na aukcijama diljem svijeta, nemamo sta raspravljat ... |
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lsvemir
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Posted - 13/06/2007 : 20:24:46
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quote: Originally posted by risbozg
mislim da je ova usporedba bez veze
stari stripovi - pogotovo oni rijedi -- uvijek bu puno skuplji od novih
a gigant mm-a 2057 godine bu na aukcijama koštao 1000-1500 eura (pa vec je danas 3-4 puta skuplji a da ne govorimo o ken parkeru )
tako da je ova rasprava zapravo bez veze sama po sebi osim za izgubljene u svemiru
- --ak ti je slaba pamet moraš imat jaka leda --   
- mislim da su 'dveribed' i navedeni gospodin iz ovog posta rekli sve o raspravi tog tipa ...
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Markos
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Posted - 13/06/2007 : 21:10:57
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quote: Originally posted by Pavel01
quote: Originally posted by Markos
Nemam sad vremena brojati, ali ne cini mi se bas da je prije 2 godine na kioscima bilo vise stripova nego danas. Je l' mozes to potkrijepiti brojkama? U principu, samo treba otici na kronologiju na sajtu i pobrojati.
bez da brojim, odokativno po subjektivnom osjecaju tvrdim da je lu/sa etc. (u mojim ocima primarni izdavac kiosk-stvari) uz jos neke sitne album/kiosk izdavace bio na vrhuncu prije ca. 2 godine (+- nije bitno). od onda nema vise bas iznenadjenja vrijednih spomena (novih izdanja, ubrzavanja...), a neki serijali se gase i/ili prelaze u knjige.
opet odokativno, mislim da ako danas ima vise kiosk izdanja, onda to moze biti samo remitenda. no opet, kad se sve zbroji, trenutno imamo tuto kompleto najbolju ponudu ikad do sada.
Oko te vara, onda. Evo, raspisimo jednadzbu: Zagor - ove godine je izasao Almanah viska Dylan Dog - ove godine je izasao Gigant i Maxi viska a i extra serija je malo ubrzala Mister No i Marti - u najgoru ruku isto, ali tu su Maxiji kojih nije bilo i specijali kojih mozda bude po 1 vise. Tex - isto Blek, Mark - isto Alan Ford - pojavljuje se AF extra, reprint Maxmagnusa, plus AF u boji. Kriminal, Satanik, Wondercity prije uopce nisu izlazili, plus dolazi i Diabolik ponovo, plus novi Bookglobe Marvel serijali koji su najavljeni.
Dakle, ova godina ce definitivno biti najbolja sto se ponude na kioscima tice. Slobodno me opovrgni ili podsjeti ako sam nesto propustio
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Pavel01
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Inferno
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Posted - 13/06/2007 : 21:43:17
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Ovo je najjaca stripovska godina. Kad sam bio klinac 100 puta bi dolazio do kioska i nikad nije bilo novog izdanja. Sada mi se "povraca" koliko Zagora ima. Nema kad nešto ne kupim i zato me ne pogada period izlaženaja. Dobro, samo me pogada Tex! |
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I like girlz
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Posted - 13/06/2007 : 23:57:08
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malo ste zaboravili uporediti koliko je NN izašlo u 2006, a koliko u 2007-oj godini.
no, što se teme tice, ja sam davno vec prodao skoro sva "dnevnikova" izdanja. ostavio sam samo mister no u boji, "demone ludila" + nastavke i zadnji broj komandanta marka, "konacna pobeda".
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mpavin
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Posted - 14/06/2007 : 00:29:32
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quote: Originally posted by Markos Oko te vara, onda. Evo, raspisimo jednadzbu: Zagor - ove godine je izasao Almanah viska Dylan Dog - ove godine je izasao Gigant i Maxi viska a i extra serija je malo ubrzala - zašto Maxi viška, što nece izaci jedan kao i prošlu godinu i ne cini mi se da je extra serija ubrzala nego -usporila, prošle godine je izašlo 8-9 brojeva... Mister No i Marti - u najgoru ruku isto, ali tu su Maxiji kojih nije bilo i specijali kojih mozda bude po 1 vise. - redovne serije ove godine možda cak bude i manje. prošle godine je izašlo 6 MM i 5 MN ako se ne varam a sad smo na polovici godine a tek su izašla 2  Tex - isto -prošle godine cak 2 maxija, a ove izgleda samo 1... Blek, Mark - isto Alan Ford - pojavljuje se AF extra, reprint Maxmagnusa, plus AF u boji. Kriminal, Satanik, Wondercity prije uopce nisu izlazili, plus dolazi i Diabolik ponovo, plus novi Bookglobe Marvel serijali koji su najavljeni. - Diabolik ponovo a tko ce to izdavati i koji novi serijali Bookglobea su najavljeni kao kiosk izdanje
Dakle, ova godina ce definitivno biti najbolja sto se ponude na kioscima tice. Slobodno me opovrgni ili podsjeti ako sam nesto propustio
Kicking Squeeling Gucci Little Piggy
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Porter
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Posted - 14/06/2007 : 00:41:24
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Interesantno pitanje:da li su novi stripovi, Zs i Lms skupi? Nisam o ovom razmisljao,ali vrijedi pokusati. . Ipak se treba drzati one stare,,sto skuplje to bolje,,
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SejoSexon
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Posted - 14/06/2007 : 07:56:05
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Što se tice DD extra, prošle godine je izašlo 10 brojeva a ove godine samo cetiri broja. Ne vjerujem da ce do kraja godine izaci više više od tri broja.
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HC
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Posted - 14/06/2007 : 08:36:41
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sad stripova ima ko blata sav sam zbunjen, neznam šta kupiti, šta propustiti, neznam odrediti prioritete, a financijski ne mogu baš sve   |
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Zagor-te-nay
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Posted - 14/06/2007 : 08:54:59
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quote: Originally posted by Dado
quote: Originally posted by Tomislav
quote: Originally posted by darkwoodaxe Ljudi znaju napamet af dijaloge ne zato što su jednom procitali strip i stavili ga na policu. A puno novih izdanja mi ne djeluje kao politika na duge staze, više kao dok ide ide,take the money and run.
Upravo tako, ne moze neki strip steci kultni status sa nakladom od 500 primjeraka i cijenom u rangu mjesecnog deparca nekog osnovnoškolca
Zato li samo imam osjecaj da se stalno vrtimo u krug? Osnovskolci ne kupuju stripove u nekoj znacajnijoj mjeri, nazalost, pa sve da kostaju 16 kuna. Kad bi bilo suprotno, stripovi po kisocima bi isli kao blesavi i neka izdanja bi isla sigurno cesce. Nisam bas vidio da se klinci otimaju za stripove na kioscima, cast manjem broju izuzetaka koji imaju nesto bolju prodaju i oni idu i redovitije. Da postoji veliki interes u najmanju ruku oni kompleti po 3 komada za dvadesetak kuna bi se prodavali kao ludi. Nisam stekao dojam da je to tako, mozda imam krive informacije.
Ovaj naš beskrajni razvoj pretvara nas u nešto beskrajno drugo...oslobodi me Bože slobode bezGranicne
Ma, ne sekiraj se.3 za 20 tj 23 se prodaju sad u lito, u sezoni.Brdo balkanaca nam dode na more, te, bar na Makarskoj rivijeri nama, svaki drugi brdanin na plaži i trajektu cita Zagora. To nisu kolekcionari, nego lola kupi da ima šta citat u ladu, boli ga kurac za roman, kad ga procita bacit ce ga u more il s njim obrisat guzicu...
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DeeCay
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Posted - 14/06/2007 : 10:27:14
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quote: Originally posted by Dado
quote: Originally posted by DeeCay Ne mislim da želite samo brzu i laku zaradu, vec samo zaradu jer je to jedino opravdanje za ulaganje u biznis. Mislim da svako na ovom forumu kuži da neke stvari nejdu u velikim nakladama i na kioscima i da se vaša izdanja jedino tako isplati za izdavati.
Cekaj, nesto nisam skuzio... i DD ima svoja izdanja? Bavi se izdavastvom, pa mu odgovaras "Vasim izdanjima"...? Pizda jedna nikad mi nije rekao da se i time bavi... dobit ce pljusku. 
Devil je spomenut u impressumu vaših izdanja, a covjek se i sam pohvalio i potvrdio kako sudjeluje u vašem radu. Osim toga, otvorio je ovaj topic u kojem želi vas opravdati i ocistiti od svakog grijeha. Jel on vaš glasnogovornik ili ne? Ispricavam se ako sam devilu dao preveliku ulogu u cijeloj ovoj stvari, no prema topicu i povezanosti s vama, nekako je ocito da i DD sudjeluje u izdavanju... I prema njegovim rijecima, dakako. Dakle, kad se obracam u vezi s Libellusom, Libellus je samo Dado&Dado i nitko drugi? Da ne bude daljnjih zabluda.
Ja se znam, al nesmem nikaj reci, jooj... supermark je ultramega simpa kompa i svaka koka bi ga htjela za jebaca ;) HC! je zakon, živijo HC! Žene vicu, Dee, tebe seksi trebam... Ajoooj! |
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Markos
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Posted - 14/06/2007 : 10:33:56
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quote: Originally posted by mpavin
quote: Originally posted by Markos Oko te vara, onda. Evo, raspisimo jednadzbu: Zagor - ove godine je izasao Almanah viska Dylan Dog - ove godine je izasao Gigant i Maxi viska a i extra serija je malo ubrzala - zašto Maxi viška, što nece izaci jedan kao i prošlu godinu i ne cini mi se da je extra serija ubrzala nego -usporila, prošle godine je izašlo 8-9 brojeva... Mister No i Marti - u najgoru ruku isto, ali tu su Maxiji kojih nije bilo i specijali kojih mozda bude po 1 vise. - redovne serije ove godine možda cak bude i manje. prošle godine je izašlo 6 MM i 5 MN ako se ne varam a sad smo na polovici godine a tek su izašla 2  Tex - isto -prošle godine cak 2 maxija, a ove izgleda samo 1... Blek, Mark - isto Alan Ford - pojavljuje se AF extra, reprint Maxmagnusa, plus AF u boji. Kriminal, Satanik, Wondercity prije uopce nisu izlazili, plus dolazi i Diabolik ponovo, plus novi Bookglobe Marvel serijali koji su najavljeni. - Diabolik ponovo a tko ce to izdavati i koji novi serijali Bookglobea su najavljeni kao kiosk izdanje
Dakle, ova godina ce definitivno biti najbolja sto se ponude na kioscima tice. Slobodno me opovrgni ili podsjeti ako sam nesto propustio
Kicking Squeeling Gucci Little Piggy
On je govorio o 2005-oj kao najboljoj. Tada nije bilo DD maxija itd itd. I sad smo na polovici godine, ali tek sad krece ljetna navala izdanja. Ja tvrdim da je svaka godina sve bogatija i bogatija.
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Inferno
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Croatia
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Posted - 14/06/2007 : 10:35:00
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quote: Originally posted by Zagor-te-nay
quote: Originally posted by Dado
quote: Originally posted by Tomislav
quote: Originally posted by darkwoodaxe Ljudi znaju napamet af dijaloge ne zato što su jednom procitali strip i stavili ga na policu. A puno novih izdanja mi ne djeluje kao politika na duge staze, više kao dok ide ide,take the money and run.
Upravo tako, ne moze neki strip steci kultni status sa nakladom od 500 primjeraka i cijenom u rangu mjesecnog deparca nekog osnovnoškolca
Zato li samo imam osjecaj da se stalno vrtimo u krug? Osnovskolci ne kupuju stripove u nekoj znacajnijoj mjeri, nazalost, pa sve da kostaju 16 kuna. Kad bi bilo suprotno, stripovi po kisocima bi isli kao blesavi i neka izdanja bi isla sigurno cesce. Nisam bas vidio da se klinci otimaju za stripove na kioscima, cast manjem broju izuzetaka koji imaju nesto bolju prodaju i oni idu i redovitije. Da postoji veliki interes u najmanju ruku oni kompleti po 3 komada za dvadesetak kuna bi se prodavali kao ludi. Nisam stekao dojam da je to tako, mozda imam krive informacije.
Ovaj naš beskrajni razvoj pretvara nas u nešto beskrajno drugo...oslobodi me Bože slobode bezGranicne
Ma, ne sekiraj se.3 za 20 tj 23 se prodaju sad u lito, u sezoni.Brdo balkanaca nam dode na more, te, bar na Makarskoj rivijeri nama, svaki drugi brdanin na plaži i trajektu cita Zagora. To nisu kolekcionari, nego lola kupi da ima šta citat u ladu, boli ga kurac za roman, kad ga procita bacit ce ga u more il s njim obrisat guzicu...
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Kako ce obrisat s nijim guzicu kad ga je vec bacia u more?!    |
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