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axle munshine
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Serbia
2372 Posts
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Posted - 22/09/2007 : 22:07:39
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Zanimljiva teza,veoma zanimljiva.Ako je i imao animozitet prema anglosaksoncima,kako kazes,to moze da bude samo iz tih decackih etiopskih dana.U uzrastu kad mu se to desavalo ne bi ni bilo cudno da mu je to ostalo kao trajni oziljak.Al kao sto rekoh,radio je u Engleskoj,a i njegov Corto je Englez po ocu,a jedna od najlepsih prica o CM se desava bas u Britaniji(San zimske noci).I pored toga mogu da razumem mrznju prema anglosaksoncima,ali Pratt rasista!?!,hmmm,to vec tesko moze da prodje,bas tesko...Njegov Argentinski period upravo negira takvu tezu,a i jedan od najzanimljivijih zenskih likova u CM je crnkinja(Zlatousta-Bocca doratta).Ali da ne offtopicujemo mnogo,ova tema zasluzuje poseban topic pa izvoli... |
...BD, c'est la vie... |
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Boban
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Serbia
485 Posts
Member since 05/11/2002 |
Posted - 22/09/2007 : 23:09:57
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Procitaj "El Gauco". Jedan od poslednjih njegovih scenarija. Obrati pažnju na sve ovo što sam ti rekao pa ceš progledati drugim ocima. Ali moraš da budeš pažljiv. Ima, recimo, scena u kojoj se dva Engleza tuku na španskom brodu, zaboravio sam vec kako su tamo dospeli. A jedan od komentara iz publike: "Pazi ti ovo, bore se pošteno." "Da, kao mi", kaže drugi. Silovana Španjolka place, a Engleskinja je teši: "Da sam ja toliko plakala svaki put kad mi ga neko zavuce, bili bismo potopljeni." I tako u beskraj, tanane recenice na pravim mestima, naizgled u funkciji price... Zato i kažem da bi bilo dobro da neko napravi grafikon svih likova, nacionalnosti i pratecih osobina. |
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Mord
Advanced Member
    
Croatia
3134 Posts
Member since 20/10/2001 |
Posted - 22/09/2007 : 23:48:49
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To ovisi i o tome da li na svaku izjavu gledas kao na stav autora. Pratt je puno putovao, mozda su neke od tih izjava percepcija Engleza medju drugim narodima. |
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Boban
Junior Member
 

Serbia
485 Posts
Member since 05/11/2002 |
Posted - 22/09/2007 : 23:54:38
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to je refleksija okruženja u kome je odrastao, rekao bih. Ali zar nije svejedno kako se covek zadojio nacional-šovinistickim stavovima? |
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Mord
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Croatia
3134 Posts
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Posted - 23/09/2007 : 00:14:09
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Pa sto nije sam Corto, Prattov najpoznatiji lik, olicenje antinacionalizma. Po ovome bi ispalo da je Pratt skrivao svoj nacional-šovinizam iza antinacional-šovinizma. |
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beli luk
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Serbia
795 Posts
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Boban
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Serbia
485 Posts
Member since 05/11/2002 |
Posted - 23/09/2007 : 00:33:24
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Kao i obicno... ali stalno srecem ljude koje nisam video po deset godina da mi kažu: "E, bio si u pravu..."
Vrlo je cest slucaj da covek u pokušaju da prikrije jedan stav ode u drugu krajnost. A postoje i obrnuti slucajevi. Ja sam, recimo, potpuno anacionalan, ali zbog popizditisa zbog opšteg nacionalizma glumim veceg nacionalistu od svih. |
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Mord
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Croatia
3134 Posts
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Posted - 23/09/2007 : 00:54:25
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Moguce, ali prije da mu je trebala doza realnosti i provokacije. Ipak, realni svijet je daleko od Cortovih stavova. Jesi probao potraziti na internetu, o Prattu je napisano puno, jel se netko dotakao toga. |
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beli luk
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Serbia
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Posted - 23/09/2007 : 01:00:16
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Bobane, taman da sutra nadju Pratt-ov tajni dnevnik gde se on raskrinkava kao najvatreniji pristalica fasizma i rasizma, ja bih i dalje tvrdio isto. U Corto Maltese-u nisam osetio ni trunku, ali apsolutno ni trunku rasizma, nacionalizma, sovinizma, ili bilo kog izma. Svaka prica je dovoljno duboka ljudskim odnosima i osecajima da normalnom coveku ne treba nikakvo grebanje povrsine, pogotovo ne za zaverama. Cak su i okultni motivi predstavljeni kao otvorena knjiga. Cak iako je bio rasista, u sta sumnjam, a sto me se ne tice, u Cortu to nije ispoljavao.
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...and they won`t have to burn the books! when no one reads them anyway... |
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Mord
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Croatia
3134 Posts
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Posted - 23/09/2007 : 01:02:57
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Mozda je s Cortovim totalnim odbijajnjem bilo cega sto ima prizvuk nacionalnog otisao malo daleko, pa mu je trebalo malo promjene. |
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Boban
Junior Member
 

Serbia
485 Posts
Member since 05/11/2002 |
Posted - 23/09/2007 : 01:22:29
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Videcemo. Kada budem radio superviziju prevoda, pobrojacu takva mesta. Ili cu ih sam dopisati...
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Mord
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Croatia
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Posted - 23/09/2007 : 01:27:02
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Nego, da te pitam. Otkud ideja da se Corto objavljuje po redoslijedu dogadjanja radnje, a ne onako kako je crtan. Ako sam dobro shvatio to znaci da ce mladost ici ispred ostalih epizoda i to je cijela pretumbacija? |
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Boban
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Serbia
485 Posts
Member since 05/11/2002 |
Posted - 23/09/2007 : 01:57:50
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pa otuda da je to hronologija Kortovog života i da je valjda logicno da se to cita po redosledu dogadanja. Doduše, pomeranja su minimalna, mladost ide napred i valjda se rotiraju 12-i i 13-i album. |
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Mord
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Croatia
3134 Posts
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Posted - 23/09/2007 : 02:12:57
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Ne bi nikad nekome tko nije citao Corta preporucio da cita prvo mladost, jer kad bi to bila prva prica onda joj ne bi trebao naziv mladost. Nekako mi se gubi smisao mladosti, onaj da se objavi prica iz mladosti naseg omiljenog(pozanatog) junaka. Mislim, raspored epizoda po knjigama je zadnje sto bi me odvratilo od kupnje izdanja ako bude kvalitetno uradjeno, ali morao sam komentirati. |
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Boban
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Serbia
485 Posts
Member since 05/11/2002 |
Posted - 23/09/2007 : 02:45:57
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U prvom tomu ide i "Balada o slanom moru". A ispred svega uvodni tekst o Kortu, Pratu, hronologiji i takvim stvarima. Vecina ce to uzimati odjednom jer ce biti dosta povoljno ili na kredit, dakle imace pred sobom šest velikih knjižurina i mogucnost da u njima uživaju kako zamisle, ali cak i oni koji kupe samo prvu knjigu i koji nikada ranije nisu culi za Korta bice u prilici da osete snagu koje to delo nudi...
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Mord
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Croatia
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Sidartha
Starting Member
Serbia
34 Posts
Member since 27/10/2005 |
Posted - 23/09/2007 : 09:14:49
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mmm...dodaci...mozda bi mogli neke figurice uz to izdanje da idu,,,
...ah u avgustu je swatch izbacio mini seriju satova sa dizajnom Corto Maltese-a...smrcsmrc |
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marlowe
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Serbia
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Posted - 23/09/2007 : 09:54:18
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quote: Originally posted by Mord
Oce ici svi oni dodaci iz castermanovih izdanja u boji. Akvareli i ostalo.
Naravno. |
________________________ Remember, remember the fifth of November, The gunpowder, treason and plot, I see of no reason why gunpowder treason should ever be forgot. |
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beli luk
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Serbia
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Posted - 23/09/2007 : 10:56:02
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Bobane, a kako bi bilo da uz to izdanje Corta stampate i onaj veliki poster sa svim likovima? Secas se tog postera, mislim da je neki veliki, A0 format bio, na njemu slicica svakog lika i kratak opis lika i kakve veze ima sa Cortom. Uopste, koliko ja znam, Corto posteri su se odlicno prodavali. Sto ne stampate postere Blacksad-a, Watchmen-e, itd.? |
...and they won`t have to burn the books! when no one reads them anyway... |
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axle munshine
Senior Member
   

Serbia
2372 Posts
Member since 14/06/2006 |
Posted - 23/09/2007 : 20:12:30
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To sa posterima je i mene zanimalo ali je Boban dao objasnjenje na ZS da je to neekonomicno i skupo.A bilo bi lepo Corta videti na velikim posterima.Ja jos uvek imam jedan prelep Komunin,a bilo ih je,ako se ne varam u tri varijante,od toga jedan sa Cortom na Kalemegdanu...coool... |
...BD, c'est la vie... |
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William_Wallace
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Serbia
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Posted - 23/09/2007 : 21:33:07
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Voleo bih kada bi neko opet stampao onaj poster Corta(dugacak portret), stvarno super stvar! Nadam se da ce Beli Put to odraditi i mislim da to nije bas tako skupo, ja bih prvi kupio nije vazna cena! |
Every man dies, not every man really lives. |
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night
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Serbia
1705 Posts
Member since 07/07/2006 |
Posted - 23/09/2007 : 21:43:25
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Lepo je sve to sve sa Kortom ali mi malo smeta sto se izdanja dupliraju.Bilo bi mnogo lepse da se izdaju neka nova izdanja. |
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neman
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Serbia
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William_Wallace
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Serbia
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Posted - 23/09/2007 : 21:50:12
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quote: Originally posted by neman
Heh, ja imam taj dugacak poster Korta :)
Bi li ga prodao? |
Every man dies, not every man really lives. |
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axle munshine
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Serbia
2372 Posts
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Posted - 23/09/2007 : 22:02:23
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quote: Originally posted by William_Wallace
Voleo bih kada bi neko opet stampao onaj poster Corta(dugacak portret), stvarno super stvar! Nadam se da ce Beli Put to odraditi i mislim da to nije bas tako skupo, ja bih prvi kupio nije vazna cena!
Pa taj i imam,crno beli,na zidu mi je,eto...prelepo uradjeno,sta da kazem... |
...BD, c'est la vie... |
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