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kiky
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Posted - 24/10/2007 : 12:28:15
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Bok! Evo jednog jednostavnog pitanja za popricati: volite li više stripove sa izraženim kontinuitetom što se provlaci maltene kroz cijeli serijal ili radije preferirate strip-serijale u kojima je svaka epizoda zasebna prica?
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kucni duh
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Croatia
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Posted - 24/10/2007 : 12:49:27
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više volim da je svaka epizoda za sebe, jer svaki serijal ako je radnja u nastavcima prije ili kasnije dobije "santa barbara" bolest- radnja postane trakavica, koja se niže samo da bi se nizala, scenarist mora izmišljati sve nešto novo kako bi zakomplicirao pocetnu pricu,i sve skupa prerasta u beskrajni apsurd. Idealan primjer za to je serijal XIII -koji mi je u pocetku bio super, a sad me vec lagano nervira.
Naravno, postoje primjeri koji ruše ovu moju tezu, a to je Fosterov Princ Valijant (onog kasnijeg crtaca ne citam-apsolutno je neprihvatljiv za Fosterov filigranski crtež- neka nastavi crtati Ben Bolta) Princ Valijant je saga, postoji protok vremena, pa i dogadanja- likovi odrastaju, stare, umiru,...nisu zamrznuti i plasticni.
možda nisu idealni primjeri, ali to mi je prvo palo na pamet |
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Djole
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Serbia
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Posted - 24/10/2007 : 13:06:12
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Odlicna tema!
Kao i sve drugo, zavisi od autora. Lošiji autori ce izbaciti kontinuitet u prvi plan, pošto sem njega nemaju ništa drugo što bi privuklo citaoce (videti pod bezmalo celokupna DC produkcija danas, ili pod X-Men devedesetih - a ako smo zlobni, i pod Nathan Never). Bolji ce ili koristiti kontinuitet u svoju korist (Moore na Swamp Thing i Tome&Janry na Spirou, recimo), ali svakako nece biti njegovi robovi.
Dosta zavisi i od postavke serijala - bilo bi smešno da kod Kena sada neko u potpunosti odbaci kontinuitet - isto kao što bi bilo smešno da Serra preuzme Dylana i pocne da nasilno povezuje sve u jednu pricu.
Odnosno, što rece neko - kontinuitet je alatka koju je neophodno koristiti prilikom pisanja prica; ali ne treba biti njegov rob. |
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wiskey
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Croatia
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Posted - 24/10/2007 : 13:49:24
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Ovisi od stripa. Meni je npr. savršen Blueberry. Neke su mu epizode posebne, neke su od 2, 3 ili 4 epizode, a ima ih i od 10 (11). Nekako ipak više volim krace serijale, nego svaki album za sebe. |
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Inferno
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Croatia
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Posted - 24/10/2007 : 14:18:24
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Odlican topic :-)
U stripovima postoji stroži [kad se svaki svezak/epizoda po pitanju postepenog odvijanja radnje/dogadaja cvrsto nadovezuje jedna na drugu] i manje stroži kontinuitet [epizode se ne nadovezuju previše jedna na drugu, ali neki elementi ostaju djelom tog strip-svijeta, a manifestiraju se tek s vremena na vrijeme (uglavnom bonelli)]. Po mom mišljenju, svaki strip koji drži do sebe bi morao zadovoljavati barem taj potonji kriterij.
Strogi kontinuitet je možda zanimljiji, ali zahtjeva daleko vecu angažiranost autora, a na kraju se, UKOLIKO IMA PREVIŠE NASTAVAKA, opet sve to razvodni zbog ponavljanja istih kalupa. Npr. meni je "Malo misto" (ili Mr. Bean) 100 puta bolja komedija od svih ostalih sitcom komedija koje broje na stotine nastavak. Ni janjetinu ne možeš jest svaki dan - zgadit ce ti se! Manje je slade. |
Mefisto je lik koji Texa spasava od kritika na pretjeranom realizmu.
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mifugo
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kico
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Posted - 24/10/2007 : 16:28:06
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Takoder volim kontinuitet. Kad je vec nekakav uvodan dio u kojemu se junak upoznaje,dolaze na stvari nešto što nismo znali o njemu i to se provlaci kroz sam serijal,sa svim njegovim usponima i padovima držanje kontinuiteta mi je nekako zdravije od regularnih epizoda jer svaki citatelj koji je zavolio doticnog junaka traži razlog da kompletira ili procita cijeli serijal. |
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Inferno
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Croatia
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Posted - 24/10/2007 : 17:30:24
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Zbilja je gušt slagati sve te sitne informacije u jednu veliku cjelinu. Stoga dajem glas kontinuitetu. |
Mefisto je lik koji Texa spasava od kritika na pretjeranom realizmu.
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darkraver
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Croatia
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Posted - 24/10/2007 : 18:04:08
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kontinuitet,jedino i uvijek kontinuitet... što god mislili o kontinuitetu,puno je teže i napornije autoru radit takav strip negoli bezbrižno smišljat price od epizode do epizode...
ja cijenim kontinuitet :D |
Od stripova radim salate ali jedino NN zacinim! |
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mifugo
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Posted - 24/10/2007 : 18:10:37
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quote: Originally posted by kico
Takoder volim kontinuitet. Kad je vec nekakav uvodan dio u kojemu se junak upoznaje,dolaze na stvari nešto što nismo znali o njemu i to se provlaci kroz sam serijal,sa svim njegovim usponima i padovima držanje kontinuiteta mi je nekako zdravije od regularnih epizoda jer svaki citatelj koji je zavolio doticnog junaka traži razlog da kompletira ili procita cijeli serijal.
ili se tolko saživiš s nekim junakom da ga citaš i kad su ti price bezveze ili ti se ne svida što se dogada s njim... |
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Djole
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Serbia
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Posted - 24/10/2007 : 18:11:24
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Hehehehe, zato što je kontinuitet puno teži od "bezbrižnog smišljanja prica", cela USA industrija tokom devedesetih (i danas ponovo) je svaku ocajnu pricu pravdala time da je "strahovito bitna za kontinuitet!" ;)
Mnogo je teže kretati od nule svaki put, nego se nadgradivati (a neretko ni nadgradivati, vec samo prežvakavati) na ono što je vec stvoreno. |
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jaki
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Posted - 24/10/2007 : 18:13:17
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quote: Originally posted by kucni duh
Naravno, postoje primjeri koji ruše ovu moju tezu, a to je Fosterov Princ Valijant (onog kasnijeg crtaca ne citam-apsolutno je neprihvatljiv za Fosterov filigranski crtež- neka nastavi crtati Ben Bolta)
Nažalost John Cullen Murphy je umra 2004 g.a Princ Valianta sada crta Gary Gianni.Ono malo njegovih slicica šta sam vidija izgleda mi super. Hoce li Marketprint nastaviti sa Schultz/Giannijevim P.V.??? |
Ja sam fetišist papira! |
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I like girlz
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Posted - 24/10/2007 : 20:26:08
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kad malo bolje razmislim, sve ima svoje prednosti i mane, ali u principu sam za kontinuitet. |
"Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes" |
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flamboyant soul
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Posted - 25/10/2007 : 00:17:19
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Ja sam za kontinuitet, ali za kvalitetni kontinuitet. Što je serijal kraci, to je kontinuitet kvalitetniji, mada ne mora znaciti.
Inace, kad netko nešto nadoda/nadogradi nakon 100 epizoda, to ne smatram kontinuitetom, nego jeftinim ubacivanjem. To mora biti sustavno, ako ne ne vrijedi puno. |
Dobro i šta mi sada treba da uradimo? |
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SejoSexon
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Posted - 25/10/2007 : 06:09:09
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Ja sam za kontinuitet, no problem je ritam izlaženja na našim prostorima. NN je najbolji primjer za to. U 13 godina smo dobili 62 regularna i 2 specijalna broja. Hvala Bogu pa postoji Libellus. |
But I'm just a soul whose intentions are good Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood
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Witchblade
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Croatia
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Posted - 25/10/2007 : 12:46:31
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Stripofil u meni vise voli kontinuitet, ali kolekcionar u meni mu ne dozvoljava da prica takve stvari :) |
"All deaths horrible. Also inevitable. Nod. Get treat." |
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Horatio Caine
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Posted - 25/10/2007 : 17:26:04
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Kontinuitet definitivno, nema vece radosti od slaganja cijelog mozaika u ejdnu cjelinu  |
I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals. |
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kiky
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Posted - 25/10/2007 : 18:07:54
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Ja sam za zasebne pricice... takvi serijali su mi nešto draži, pocetak i završetak u jednoj (ajde, najviše dvije) epizodi, i onda opet nešto drugo, novo, iz tako iz epizode u epizodu. Mislim da je takav nacin pisanja puno zahtjevniji, te ako rezultira uspjehom, odmah ujedno i vredniji. |
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sonor
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Posted - 25/10/2007 : 18:24:33
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quote: Originally posted by kiky
Ja sam za zasebne pricice... takvi serijali su mi nešto draži, pocetak i završetak u jednoj (ajde, najviše dvije) epizodi, i onda opet nešto drugo, novo, iz tako iz epizode u epizodu. Mislim da je takav nacin pisanja puno zahtjevniji, te ako rezultira uspjehom, odmah ujedno i vredniji.
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There's a time to live and a time to die When it's time to meet the maker! There's a time to live but isn't it strange That as soon as you're born you're dying!
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Obi-wan
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Posted - 25/10/2007 : 18:45:23
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Volim stvari koje imaju svoj pocetak i kraj. Volim proci cijelinu i docekati taj kraj bilo da je u pitanju 1 ili 50 epizoda. Ako vidim da mi nije na raspolaganju kompletna prica (bilo kod knjiga ili stripova), uglavnom ni ne pocinjem citati... |
What you call sanity, it’s just a prison in your minds that stops you from seeing that you’re just tiny little cogs in a giant absurd machine. |
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manhunter
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Posted - 25/10/2007 : 20:53:27
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Dva- tri trejda ili nešto više albuma i to je to. Sve preko toga je reciklaža. |
I am legion. I do not forget. I do not forgive.
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