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manhunter
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Switzerland
25789 Posts
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Posted - 25/10/2007 : 21:14:57
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Elem, jednostavno pitanje: koliko vam je važno da pratite rad nekog autora ili razvoj nekog lika iz stripa? Dali vam je važnije da nabavite poslednji rad Gaimana za koji su svi rekli da je bezveze, ili da izaberete sasvim nepoznat strip koji je dobio odlicne kritike? Da li ste u stanju da kažete za vašeg omiljenog scenaristu da ima i katastrofalnih radova ili cete ga hvaliti pred svima i sami sebe ubedjivati da to, jednostavno, nije moguce? Da li su Pratt, Milazo i Moore baš stvarno toliki genijalci, ili su se i oni ponekad "provlacili" na racun stare slave? Da li je stvarno da Vertigo i Image izdaju odlicne stripove, a Bonelli samo sra#ja?? Koliko robujete nekom stripu(junaku, scenaristi, crtacu, izdavackoj kuci)? Naravno, primeri su proizvoljni, možete da stavite bilo koje drugo ime.
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I am legion. I do not forget. I do not forgive.
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zagorovsky
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Croatia
1835 Posts
Member since 07/08/2007 |
Posted - 25/10/2007 : 21:18:07
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Ja nikad ne bih mogao reci da je Nolitta napravio lošu pricu ili da je Ferri loše crtao.Nitko mi ne može utupiti u glavu da su stare Zagorove price naivne, a da su nove nekvalitetne.E, sad pitam se što bi bilo kada bi poceo citati neki drugi strip!!!!??? |
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Gutrum
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Croatia
230 Posts
Member since 20/06/2007 |
Posted - 25/10/2007 : 21:42:55
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Ja bi radije izabrao strip koi je dobio dobre kritike, nisam vezan ništa posebno za niti jednog scenaristu niti za crtaca (dobro možda za neke crtace:-)ali oni uglavnom manje variraju od scenarista tj. ako kupim strip samo zbog crtaca (to je stvarno rijetko) onda i ne mora biti predobar strip. Ustvari kad malo bolje razmislim Hermanna kupujem više iz neke lojalnosti nego da su mu novi stripovi dobri (crta još uvijek dobro, pa je valjda zato :-)))) |
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kiky
stripovi.com suradnik
    

7366 Posts
Member since 17/07/2003 |
Posted - 25/10/2007 : 21:45:12
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Idolatrija mi nije u prirodi a i na malo što u životu gledam kroz ružicaste naocale (se to tak kaže?) a ponajmanje na strip junake, scenariste, crtace... Sclavijev dobar rad sam pohvalio, loš iskudio. Moje recenzije (i komentari) govore tome u prilog, molicu lijepo.  |
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Inferno
stripovi.com suradnik
    

Croatia
3752 Posts
Member since 19/01/2007 |
Posted - 25/10/2007 : 21:49:32
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Nikad nisam držao do tzv. autoriteta pa tako ni kod stripova. Doduše, ima par autora koji su mi sinonim za kvalitetan strip, ali ni za jednog od njih ne bi stavio ruku u vatru jer kad tad oni mogu zakenjat, odnosno, zaredati seriju bedastih uradaka. |
Mefisto je lik koji Texa spasava od kritika na pretjeranom realizmu.
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jurica
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1799 Posts
Member since 19/02/2003 |
Posted - 26/10/2007 : 09:57:09
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quote: Originally posted by manhunter
Da li je stvarno da Vertigo i Image izdaju odlicne stripove, a Bonelli samo sra#ja??
ne. i Vertigo i Image uglavnom (ali bas UGLAVNOM) izdaju sra#ja.
ali voljeti i iscekivati rad nekog Autora nije idolatrija. promisljeni autori koji objavljuju kada imaju nesto za reci, a ne stancaju stripove jer moraju od necega zivjeti (kao vecina zaposlenih u tri izdavacke kuce koje si spomenuo), rijetko omanu.
sigurno cu kupiti prvi sljedeci strip primjerice Chrisa Warea ili Dana Clowesa koji se pojavi. Wareova nova serija (do sad dva sveska Rustya Browna) nije ni sjena Jimmya Corrigana, ali je jos uvijek miljama ispred svega cega se momentalno mogu sjetiti da je objavljeno u Vertigu. Clowes je u stalnoj uzlaznoj putanji. objavljuje sve manje, ali sto objavi je odlicno (Ice Haven, Death Ray). |
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Peyo
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Croatia
10485 Posts
Member since 28/10/2005 |
Posted - 26/10/2007 : 10:03:56
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Dobra tema.
Mislim da ne treba imati svetih krava. I Miller i Moore su svašta pisali. Miller na primjer se dosta razlikuje u kvaliteti po pojedinim nastavcima Sin City-ja. Ovaj posljednji "trade" (cini mi se Hells and Angels) ne bih uzeo ni da mi ga netko pokloni, a i nastavak Dark Knight returns mi je promašaj, a Moore ima takoder šarolik opus koji teško da se u cjelosti može nekom dopasti, da sad ne nabrajam i opisujem što je sve radio.
Da ne bude nesporazuma izuzetno cijenim obojicu i imam veliki broj njihovih stripova. Ipak i oni su ljudi i nije im mrska lova, a i inspiracija nije neiscrpna.
Mogli bi se uzeti za primjer i drugi autori i stripovi, npr. Asterix, Lucky Luke ili Tintin kao primjeri velikih razlika u kvaliteti izmedu pojedinih epizoda.
Kao zakljucak, ne treba slijepo slijediti pojedine autore ili naslove osim ukoliko su vam novci i vrijeme nisu problem. |
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Djole
stripovi.com suradnik
    

Serbia
11876 Posts
Member since 03/11/2002 |
Posted - 26/10/2007 : 11:52:18
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Ako na koricama piše Moore, Morrison, ili recimo Sclavi - kupujem. Ali to ne znaci i da hvalim po svaku cenu. Sva trojica imaju neke mane, a svi su napisali i gomilu krša - i reci da su oni "bezgrešni" je smešno.
To po strani, Franquin je bog. |
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Prodigy
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Croatia
1801 Posts
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Peyo
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Croatia
10485 Posts
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Peyo
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Croatia
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mifugo
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1007 Posts
Member since 28/05/2005 |
Posted - 26/10/2007 : 14:21:49
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meni su idoli više strip-junaci nego autori... autori tako-tako, nisu mi tolko važni tj. ne pratim to tolko (ajde, ako mi se crtež jako svida kad vidim strip ili ako znam da mi je neki crtac dobar, možda procitam strip samo zbog toga)... ali se zato cesto valjda dogodi da procitam loš strip junaka kojeg inace pratim, umjesto neki novi koji je puno bolji... stvar navika, likova koje voliš i slicno, jebiga... |
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William_Wallace
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Serbia
3173 Posts
Member since 25/04/2007 |
Posted - 26/10/2007 : 14:26:01
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Ja na primer obozavam Kena i Berardija i Milaza ali isto tako kazem da ima stvarno katastrofalnih epizoda Kena. Mislim da je ne moguce da neki junak ima sve super epizode! |
Every man dies, not every man really lives. |
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Constantine33
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Croatia
670 Posts
Member since 02/11/2005 |
Posted - 26/10/2007 : 23:33:49
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cesto kupujem strip zbog imena scenarista (crtaca nešto rijede), ali ako mi se ne svidi nije mi to nikakav problem reci... |
Skip the dramatic pauses. I can only give a shit for very short intervals of time. |
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Zagor-te-nay
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Croatia
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