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no1
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Posted - 03/10/2007 : 16:16:27
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Koji je razlog da neizdajete nova izdanja MM GIGANTI 1,2,3,4, NN GIGANTI, MNO br 1,i ostalih knjiga koja su rasprodana? Mislim što se tice kupaca, ima ih i više nego dovoljno. Predpostavljam da ste i sami vidjeli koju cijenu postižu gore navedene knjige. Zanima me i zašto ce vecina kolekcionara ostati bez ovih knjiga ili ce morati placati nevjerovatne iznose za izdanja od kojih neka nisu stariji od nekoliko mjeseci. Želim reci da bi to bilo na obostrano zadovoljstvo,kolekcionari bi dobili primjerke do kojih im je stalo a vi bi pristojno zaradili...
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sdragan@
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Western Sahara
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Posted - 03/10/2007 : 16:26:02
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Slazem se sa ovim predlogom... Mozda jednostavnim natpisom "reprint" ili nekim slicnim terminom bi se mogli zastiti kolekcionari koji su prvi pokupovali ova izdanja kako ta "prva" serija ne bi izgubila na vrednosti prilikom izlaska na trziste reprint serije...
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darth-vader
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Posted - 03/10/2007 : 17:46:01
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to je najbitnije... da prva izdanja ne izgube vrijednost... ajmo se još malo nasmijavati mislim, jako bitna stvar... ionako svi tvrde da kupuju strip radi stripa pa ih onda baš briga da li gubi ili ne gubi vrijednost :)
tko zna što ce biti s tim. Ovdje su se neki jako bunili i na sam spomen rada reprinta... Nisu stripovi koji me zanimaju pa me ne zanima, ali volim bocnuti :) |
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jaki
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Croatia
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Posted - 03/10/2007 : 17:56:50
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Puno njih je kupilo stripove kao investiciju i zato su rasprodani uglavnom br.1.Da kupuju samo ljubitelji doticnog stripa onda bi se u isti broj komada prodali i br.1 i npr.br.17 a to nije tako.ja sam kupio MM Gigante za sebe a sada rasprodajem cijelu kolekciju MM i normalno da ocekujem neku zaradu ako su ljudi spremni platiti Zašto su ovi šta su kupili stripove protiv reprinta?I ja sam protiv iz jednog jedinog razloga-a to je da ti stripovi imaju(relativnu)veliku cijenu kad izadu i izdavaci se pravdaju da je razlog tome mali broj primjeraka koje rade.(a rade mali broj primjeraka jer ne mogu prodati više)A kada bi reprintirali onda bi to vec bio pristojan tiraž(1000 komada) i osjecao bi se prevaren sa tom cijenom.Uostalom neka tiskaju svako novo izdanje odmah u 1000 komada i shodno tome spuste cijenu.ja prezadovoljan |
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srdjandj
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Serbia
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Posted - 03/10/2007 : 18:09:51
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Pravi ljubitelji stripova su uvek istraumirani kad izadje neko novo izdanje iz razloga toga, da ga nece stici da kupe, takav sam i ja. Shodno tome, nisam uspeo da kupim na vreme MM Gigant br.1 i odustao sam od kupovine ostalih Giganata MM, jer ne zelim da mi fali samo taj prvi broj( ne treba mi onda ni jedan, kad su male sanse da taj prvi nabavim), a na aukcijama dostize astronomsku cenu. -:( |
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zlatkob
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Posted - 03/10/2007 : 18:59:54
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quote: Originally posted by no1
Koji je razlog da neizdajete nova izdanja MM GIGANTI 1,2,3,4, NN GIGANTI, MNO br 1,i ostalih knjiga koja su rasprodana?
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Misliš li na reprinte? O tome je davno bilo govora. Ništa od toga. Ne sanjajte i ne živcirajte nam izdavace sad kad pripremaju nova izdanja i nove brojeve  |
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mpavin
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Niue
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Posted - 03/10/2007 : 19:38:14
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quote: Originally posted by jaki
Zašto su ovi šta su kupili stripove protiv reprinta?I ja sam protiv iz jednog jedinog razloga-a to je da ti stripovi imaju(relativnu)veliku cijenu kad izadu i izdavaci se pravdaju da je razlog tome mali broj primjeraka koje rade.(a rade mali broj primjeraka jer ne mogu prodati više)A kada bi reprintirali onda bi to vec bio pristojan tiraž(1000 komada) i osjecao bi se prevaren sa tom cijenom.Uostalom neka tiskaju svako novo izdanje odmah u 1000 komada i shodno tome spuste cijenu.ja prezadovoljan
a tko ti kaže da bi reprintali u 1000 kom i da bi cijena bila niža? taj razlog ti je bezveze. |
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sdragan@
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Posted - 03/10/2007 : 20:55:56
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quote: Originally posted by darth-vader
to je najbitnije... da prva izdanja ne izgube vrijednost... ajmo se još malo nasmijavati mislim, jako bitna stvar... ionako svi tvrde da kupuju strip radi stripa pa ih onda baš briga da li gubi ili ne gubi vrijednost :)
tko zna što ce biti s tim. Ovdje su se neki jako bunili i na sam spomen rada reprinta... Nisu stripovi koji me zanimaju pa me ne zanima, ali volim bocnuti :)
Nemoj se zavaravati...ali mnogima koji su kupili prvi tiraz ovih stripova svakako ne bi bilo po volji da se pojavi istovetni reprint. Ali ako se reprint odradi pametno onda ce biti sve ok. i kolekcionarske strasti ce biti zadovoljene. Dobar primer paralela izmedju Alan Forda SS 89 i prvog reprinta prvog broja AF-a SS 262...citalacke strasti su zadovoljene a prvi broj nikada nije izgubio na vrednosti.
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beli luk
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Obi-wan
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Posted - 03/10/2007 : 22:57:34
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Najbolje da to reprint piše dijagonalno preko cijele naslovnice velikim crnim boldanim slovima da se netko slucajno ne bi zabunio i zamjenio to drugo izdanje za originalno... |
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ordell
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Posted - 03/10/2007 : 23:25:20
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quote: Originally posted by Obi-wan
Najbolje da to reprint piše dijagonalno preko cijele naslovnice velikim crnim boldanim slovima da se netko slucajno ne bi zabunio i zamjenio to drugo izdanje za originalno...
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ordell
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srdjandj
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Serbia
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Posted - 03/10/2007 : 23:53:52
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Vidite koliko je Mister No skup na aukcijama, mislim na prvi broj, jednostavno neko pokupuje po desetak komada i onda ih nema..... |
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jaki
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 08:12:38
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quote: Originally posted by srdjandj
Vidite koliko je Mister No skup na aukcijama, mislim na prvi broj, jednostavno neko pokupuje po desetak komada i onda ih nema.....
Bilo je dovoljno vremena da se kupi Mister No 1 prije nego li je rasprodan.Cak sam se i ja mislio ga kupiti radi špekulacije,jer me uopce taj strip ne zanima,ali nisam.Sada kad vidim koliku je cijenu dosegao mi ja ža.Neko kupuje dionice a neko stripove |
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jaki
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 08:14:22
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quote: Originally posted by mpavin
quote: Originally posted by jaki
Zašto su ovi šta su kupili stripove protiv reprinta?I ja sam protiv iz jednog jedinog razloga-a to je da ti stripovi imaju(relativnu)veliku cijenu kad izadu i izdavaci se pravdaju da je razlog tome mali broj primjeraka koje rade.(a rade mali broj primjeraka jer ne mogu prodati više)A kada bi reprintirali onda bi to vec bio pristojan tiraž(1000 komada) i osjecao bi se prevaren sa tom cijenom.Uostalom neka tiskaju svako novo izdanje odmah u 1000 komada i shodno tome spuste cijenu.ja prezadovoljan
a tko ti kaže da bi reprintali u 1000 kom i da bi cijena bila niža? taj razlog ti je bezveze.
Reprint bi bio još 500 i sa onih prvih 500 to je 1000.Veci broj prodanih primjeraka -niža cijena. |
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risbozg
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 10:02:01
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reprint se uopce ne isplati izdavacu jel bi od doštanpanih 500 komada prodao najviše 50-100 i ušel u preveliki minus |
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dule_car
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 10:21:06
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veci dio njihovih izdanja nece ponovo izdavati- jer nema za koga. 500 original komada, nesto ode knjiznicama, nesto izdavacima, par komada talijanima, par komada tu i tamo i sve skupa ima 300-400 komada koje zapravo kupe ljubitelji stripa. za koga onda sve ponovo izdavati? ljudi misle ako nesto postigne zestoku cijenu na aukcijama, da odmah treba izbaciti re-izdanje. pa to se otima 20 ljudi koji su zakasnili kupiti MM gigant br.1 misleci da ce se ionako sporo prodavati, ili nisu imali novaca, nisu culi tada za to izdanje... za koga onda raditi 500-1000 novih komada? mene osobno zanima samo ken, posto sam se premisljao dali da pocnem kupovati i dok sam se smislio- prodali se prvi brojevi. (da, znam- bas sam bio brz;)) kupio bi ali mi je glupo imati kolekciju od 6 ili 12 broja nadalje...
kljucno je sljedece: prekomjerno kupovanje prvih brojeva u investicijske svrhe ce urusiti prodaju skupljacima koji ne zele pocinjati kolekciju a nemaju mogucnost krenuti od prvog broja (jel je odavno rasprodan), tako da je moguce da ce se prvi brojevi ponovo izdati. neka stave oznaku "reprint" i svi zadovoljni. |
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darkwoodaxe
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 10:27:17
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quote: Originally posted by risbozg
reprint se uopce ne isplati izdavacu jel bi od doštanpanih 500 komada prodao najviše 50-100 i ušel u preveliki minus
tu je citava istina. treba reprintirati ono što se rasproda, izdavati novo i to sve po željama nas nekoliko stotina (desetaka?). prvih 6 kenova za mene, 1. mr. no za neke druge, texa od prije 100 godina za našeg texa i tako poput glazbenih želja. sumnjam da ce nam to ici po planu. mislim da ce biti tih stvari na aukcijama ne samo od preprodavaca, nego i nas koji cemo odustajati od nekih izdanja, pa kome je stvarno jako stalo kupit ce.
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srdjandj
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 10:32:48
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Kad sam poslednji put kupovao stripove od Libellusa, ovo najnovije sto je izaslo, hteo sam da kupim i MM redovno, ovih 6 knjiga, ali nisam imao para za sve, pa sam kupio samo prvi broj i sta sad, ako se rasprodaju ostali, ne treba mi ni taj prvi.... |
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elsauto
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 11:54:56
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Ja sam protiv izlazenja reprinta jer kao sto je receno ko ce da kupi to. Vecina stripova od broja 2 nije ni rasprodana sto znaci da nema kupaca ni za ovih 500 brojeva.
Ja sam isto jedan od onih koji su kasno reagovali i nisu kupili prva dva MM Giganta pa sad sve MM i MNO od libellusa imam sa dva prazna mjesta i naravno da cu najvjerovatnije i da nabavim to sto mi nedostaje iako je cijena prevelika sam sam kriv.
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lwood
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 12:00:15
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quote: Originally posted by risbozg
reprint se uopce ne isplati izdavacu jel bi od doštanpanih 500 komada prodao najviše 50-100 i ušel u preveliki minus
potpisujen .to je neisplativo.ne bi ni 50 komada proda |
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 12:14:45
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Vjerojatno je neisplativo raditi 500, ali moze se napraviti recimo 200, 250. Eventualno malo dignuti cijenu i tako smanjiti rizik. Kod velikih serijala, mislim da jednostavno moras imati prve brojeve na lageru, ako zelis prodati i broj 52. |
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Djole
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 12:30:44
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Reprint od 500 komada je riski biznis, što rekoše vec mnogi (a od 1000 komada je suicid).
Pride, nijednom malom izdavacu nije svejedno kada ce mu se povratiti pare - za dva meseca ili za dve godine. To što je kolicina ogranicena znaci da ce ljudi brže kupovati stripove da ne bi ostali bez njih - i samim tim, pare se brže vracaju, pa mogu da budu uložena u nova izdanja. |
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lwood
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 12:30:48
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ili bi prve brojeve tribalo odma šibnit u 750 komada a ostale u 500. |
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Dado
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 12:33:04
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Na temu reprinta pricali smo vec 100 puta, ponavljati sve 101. put mislim da nema smisla. Nase misljenje po tom pitanju se nije promjenilo, ako to bude, mi cemo ga naravno napisati u javnosti. Cinjenica je kako ce mozda neka izdanja trebati reprintirati u buducnosti, a neka i ne, no nama reprinti trenutacno nisu u prvom planu. Ako netko misli da ce se ukupna cijena izdanja tiskanjem u 1000 primjeraka, umjesto 500, bitno promjeniti, onda bih mu predlozio da se raspita u tiskarama oko cijene.
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darkwoodaxe
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 12:37:25
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ken parker je jedini bonelli za kojeg se svi slažu da zaslužuje hc izdanje, na pola je puta, pojavili su se novi fanovi, više nema lijepog primjerka ispod broja 13 i mislim da je zreo za reprint. zahvaljujuci parkeru sam poceo zapažati i listati nebonelli stripove i mislim da bi ga trebalo održavati trajno kao što berni radi s hc af. ako izadu reprinti kupujem odmah sve do 40(48), a mr.no i martin lete na aukcije. Veca cijena nije problem, tko danas daje 150-250 kuna za te brojeve prava sitnica je dati 75. s texom sigurno nastavljam, ušao sam u njegove godine i pocinjem ga doživljavati kao kompanjona. |
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