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---dp---
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Posted - 16/04/2008 : 14:09:50
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quote: Originally posted by elsauto
bas sam iprobao da citam jedan na srpskom pa jedan na hrvatskom ali nisam imao nikakvih problema sa citanjem . neznam jedino kako ce biti kad se presaltam na bosanske stripove da li ce biti razlike 
Vec rekoh da ni ja nemam nikakvih problema, ali mi vise lezi, naravno, kad ga citam na Srpskom jeziku sto je samo zbog toga sto sam odrastao na "Dnevniovim" izdanjima. Primera radi, Alan Ford citam mnogo tecnije na Hrvatskom (a i zbog boljeg prevoda) |
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Darkwood Devil
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Posted - 16/04/2008 : 14:11:05
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DP pricam o gomili stripova.
Pogledaj DD! Nema DD od dnevnika medju prvih 30 gdje nedostaju po dvije stranice. Ken Parker raskasapljen, Mister No poput Zagora po nekoliko stranica u komadu izbaceno pa sve do 50-60 u komadu.
Da nastavim ili cemo se sloziti da je Slobodna Dalmacija i Luden tisucama svijetlosnig godina bio i biti ce ispred Dnevnika!?
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Darkwood Devil
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Posted - 16/04/2008 : 14:12:41
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BTW nije bitno samo da je fizicki bilo izbaceno nesto.
Prcam i o textualnim i crtackim cenzurama i preinakama na masi slicica u samom stripu.
To se kao racuna kao nesto korektno i dobro?! |
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ken2
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Posted - 16/04/2008 : 14:44:11
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više puta sam rekao, glupo je uopce usporedivati dnevnik s današnjim izdavacima, to je sasvim drugi svijet, samoupravni socijalizam, firma sa stotinu zaposlenih, s dežurnim cenzorima i partijskim dušebrižnicima, crtacima koji su retuširali naslovnice i mister noove znakove na rukavu... i opet nam je manje smetalo nego sada jer nismo znali i nije nas bilo briga, danas imamo internet, povezani smo, pa šta ne znam ja, zna dp, ddevil ili markos, i sve greške koje se dogode su na tapetu, možete li zamislit da netko danas radi tako nešto sa stripovima, ja ne mogu zbog toga današnji izdavaci moraju više paziti nego prije, a ludensov prijevod dilan doga je prepun nedostatka opce kulture, ili ajde, lošeg odnosa prema poslu koji se obavlja, jer netko tko zna da radi prijevod s talijanskog na hrvatski, mora pretpostavit da su americki filmovi prevedeni na talijanski i da treba ispitati kako glase u originalu da bi ih se pravilno prevelo na hrvatski, jer ne mora ana gašpar znat za 'teksaški masakr motornom pilom' ili za 'kad jaganjci utihnu', ali MORA poštivati struku kojom se bavi i istražiti kako se ti filmovi zovu u originalu i kako su prevedeni kod nas jer, da se razumijemo, meni se živo jebe za pravopisne greške, odnosno lekturu, ali kad vidim ovakve stvari naježim se o onoj romanici da ne govorim |
if you tolerate this, then your children will be next |
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Curunir
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Croatia
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Posted - 17/04/2008 : 21:20:45
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quote: Originally posted by Darkwood Devil
BTW nije bitno samo da je fizicki bilo izbaceno nesto.
Prcam i o textualnim i crtackim cenzurama i preinakama na masi slicica u samom stripu.
To se kao racuna kao nesto korektno i dobro?!
ti uporno ne zelis shvatiti poentu, sto li? radi se o tome da je TO NAMJERNO radjeno, dakle svakako im je bilo lakse to NE RADITI... naravno da je sranje, ali oni su se jos trudili i mucili da bi ga napravili! ovdje je u pitanju NEZNANJE, NEMAR, LIJENOST i NEPISMENOST (koliko god ovo zadnje nekima ne smetalo, to je temelj pisane rijeci. zajebi sve ako ne znas pravila pisanja na svom jeziku. ili šuti kad ti netko kaže ''to je samo usrani strip''. nema treceg izbora, ako pravopis nije bitan u stripu, onda je strip to jos manje - ovo odgovaram kenu2) |
Ne upuštajte se u raspravu s budalama, spustit ce vas na svoju razinu, a potom vas zatuci iskustvom. |
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DOMI
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Croatia
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Posted - 17/04/2008 : 22:32:57
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quote: Originally posted by Darkwood Devil
DP pricam o gomili stripova.
Pogledaj DD! Nema DD od dnevnika medju prvih 30 gdje nedostaju po dvije stranice. Ken Parker raskasapljen, Mister No poput Zagora po nekoliko stranica u komadu izbaceno pa sve do 50-60 u komadu.
Da nastavim ili cemo se sloziti da je Slobodna Dalmacija i Luden tisucama svijetlosnig godina bio i biti ce ispred Dnevnika!?
Slažem se. Krenimo samo od uveza, sada su stripovi uredni s kartonskim naslovnicama, naziv je DYLAN DOG a ne DILAN DOG, nema ružnog crvenog okvira oko naslova... To je za pocetak samo... Nadovezat cu Marty M. Konacno sam pobacao prvih 30 kom.Dnevnikovih (kupovao sam ih kao srednjoškolac) - to su strašni graficki zahvati (inace mene izluduju te prepravljane naslovnice - ako netko to misli radit neka izdaje svoj strip a neka ne prepravlja tudi), famozni "ÐIL" sa prestrašnim logom... Konacno je to sredeno, a o Dnevnikovom izbacivanju stranica i kracenju, prepravljanju itd. ovom prilikom necu jer su drugi dosta pisali o tome... Pogledajte što je trenutno radeno u Srbiji s Alan Fordom od 1 do br.53, strašna grafika, nove naslovnice, no to je tema za drugi topic. Sada su to sredili pa od veljace preuzimaju originalne AF naslovnice. |
• 54 god.Alan Forda u HR • Od 1970.-2017.izdana su 1063 broja (ukljucujuci Klasik, Super KL, Zlatni KL) • • Od 2022.Alan Ford u originalnim tablama formata 17x24 cm u novom kolekcionarskom TOP izdanju • |
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Darkwood Devil
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Posted - 17/04/2008 : 23:32:54
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quote: Originally posted by Curunir
quote: Originally posted by Darkwood Devil
BTW nije bitno samo da je fizicki bilo izbaceno nesto.
Prcam i o textualnim i crtackim cenzurama i preinakama na masi slicica u samom stripu.
To se kao racuna kao nesto korektno i dobro?!
ti uporno ne zelis shvatiti poentu, sto li? radi se o tome da je TO NAMJERNO radjeno, dakle svakako im je bilo lakse to NE RADITI... naravno da je sranje, ali oni su se jos trudili i mucili da bi ga napravili! ovdje je u pitanju NEZNANJE, NEMAR, LIJENOST i NEPISMENOST (koliko god ovo zadnje nekima ne smetalo, to je temelj pisane rijeci. zajebi sve ako ne znas pravila pisanja na svom jeziku. ili šuti kad ti netko kaže ''to je samo usrani strip''. nema treceg izbora, ako pravopis nije bitan u stripu, onda je strip to jos manje - ovo odgovaram kenu2)
Aha, znaci zato sto su sve te svinjarije NAMJERNO radjene to je sasvim uredu i treba dati odu pocasti za ulozeni trud!?
Ponavljam po N-ti put, radije prihvacam novo izdanje sa nekoliko gramaticki greska, nego staro izdanje krcato cenzurama, izmisljenim dijalozima i didaskalijama i skroz izokrenutom biti prica.
Bas da su Ludensova, Strip agentova i Book Globova izdanja toliko krcata pogreskama, ne mogu se sloziti!
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dzoni
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globinjo
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I like girlz
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Posted - 18/04/2008 : 01:08:59
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quote: Originally posted by globinjo
quote: Originally posted by dzoni
da...ali crtez i ostrina crteza bolji su u dnevniku.
  ok,to je tvoje mišljenje,a nemam volje razglabat...
haj šta fali, ionako nisi odavno razglabo ... daj si oduška     |
"Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes" |
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DrB
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Serbia
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Posted - 18/04/2008 : 09:10:35
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meni nije jasno zasto se ide u uporedjivanje 
1000 puta je bila ista rasprava, i svaki put je zakljucak isti. Ludens je puno, puno bolji i ne mogu se ni uporedjivati iz niza razloga, ali ...
Zasto ne bi posamtrali Ludens samo za sebe. To je vrlo ozbiljan izdavac koji bi morao da povede racuna o tome sto radi, jer sa tolikim tirazom on mora da pazi na greske koje se s vremena na vrijeme ponavljaju. Ne moze da mu bude uspjeh da je bolji od dnevnika koji je imao x mana, vec iz broja u broj ispravljati nedostatke i doci do izdanja koje zadovoljava u svakom pogledu.
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Darkwood Devil
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Posted - 18/04/2008 : 09:54:12
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quote: Originally posted by DrB
meni nije jasno zasto se ide u uporedjivanje 
1000 puta je bila ista rasprava, i svaki put je zakljucak isti. Ludens je puno, puno bolji i ne mogu se ni uporedjivati iz niza razloga, ali ...
Zasto ne bi posamtrali Ludens samo za sebe. To je vrlo ozbiljan izdavac koji bi morao da povede racuna o tome sto radi, jer sa tolikim tirazom on mora da pazi na greske koje se s vremena na vrijeme ponavljaju. Ne moze da mu bude uspjeh da je bolji od dnevnika koji je imao x mana, vec iz broja u broj ispravljati nedostatke i doci do izdanja koje zadovoljava u svakom pogledu.
eto, toliko od mene 
Ovo je skroz dobra opaska.
Ne sumnjam da ne rade na uklanjanju gresaka, na novim prijevodima Texa vec radi poznata njuska sa foruma!      |
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MaTex
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---dp---
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---dp---
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Darkwood Devil
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Posted - 18/04/2008 : 14:28:21
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quote: Originally posted by ---dp---
Ne mogu da shvatim da "Ludens" ne moze da pronadje boljeg prevodioca u tolikom Zagrebu?
Vjeruj mi da ih bas i nema previse. Uglavnom su kruti, tvrdo rade prijevode, kako bi se reklo "doslovno, bez stripovskog zargona". |
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ken2
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Posted - 18/04/2008 : 23:20:25
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prevoditelji koji rade na knjigama nisu ništa manje loši, a najbolje mi je kada ih predstave na predlistovima, kao knjigu je preveo taj i taj, diplomirao...doktorirao...radio... a onda mi prevede da je u nekom americkom predgradu živjelo sedamnaest stotina ljudi???!!! |
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Darkwood Devil
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Posted - 18/04/2008 : 23:31:59
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Je, olako se upustaju u posao gdje se punim imenom i prezimenom prezentiraju. |
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kico
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Posted - 19/04/2008 : 11:07:29
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quote: Originally posted by ---dp---
Neka posalju i Anu Gaspar na jedan kraci kurs u Boston, ako se zubar slozi 
Dobra ideja! |
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---dp---
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Posted - 19/04/2008 : 16:20:18
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quote: Originally posted by Darkwood Devil
quote: Originally posted by ---dp---
Ne mogu da shvatim da "Ludens" ne moze da pronadje boljeg prevodioca u tolikom Zagrebu?
Vjeruj mi da ih bas i nema previse. Uglavnom su kruti, tvrdo rade prijevode, kako bi se reklo "doslovno, bez stripovskog zargona".
Onda treba da angazuju na lekturi nekog strip ljubitelja. "Veseli cetvrtak" je uradio pravu stvar sto su Colta angazovali (i ne samo njega vec i Giong-Goinga i Slobu). Ti mozda to ne mozes primetiti jer ne mozes citati Srpski tecno kao da ti je maternji, ali prevod (posebno kod Zagora sto je meni najvaznije) je zaista onakav kakav treba da bude, jezik je lagan i lezeran a prevod je ipak precizan i ispravan |
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