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DOMI
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Posted - 18/05/2008 : 16:22:22
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U slobodnoj tržišnoj privredi ponudene su razni proizvodi u raznim pakiranjima i oblicima, pa svatko može odabrati za sebe.
Ružno je etiketirati nekoga tko je oduševljen HC-om, bespredmetno je davati odgovor na takvo što.
Takoder, sam HC niti ne može kupovati itko (ipak je rijec o 80 kn po izdanju) tko nije uistinu ljubitelj stripa.
Sve to ne znaci da isti taj ljubitelj nema pravo komentirati da je crtež u novim izdanjima slabiji, lošiji itd.
Naravno da NECU kupiti ove nove epizode kada izidu (i ako izidu) i u HC verziji.
Naravno da ih nitko ne kupuje samo zbog crteža, može sad kolega reci da pojedinci tekst niti ne citaju, ali mora postojati simbioza jednoga i drugoga koja je, PO MENI, postojala u prvih cca 150 brojeva. I upravo me tih 150 prica zanima i u HC verziji iako ih imam skoro sve ("Dnevnik"...).
A tko je publika MM-a, Zagora, Bleka i kako razvrstati publiku, cime se bavio jedan forumaš maloprije, uistinu je suludo razglabati i tako klasificirati citateljsku publiku.
Ponovit cu još jednom, Tex Willer dao je ODLICAN komentar na sve ovo, svaka rijec je na mjestu.
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Tex Willer
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Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
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Posted - 18/05/2008 : 18:18:15
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quote: Originally posted by Inferno
@ Tex Willer
Ne, ne, ne ... Nisam ja nikoga proziva, nego sam postavio sam sebi retoricko pitanje tipa: Jel moguce da je došlo do toga da neki ne smatraju više stripom/izdanjem nešto što nije ušiveno i uvezano cvrsto ko kamen!? Jer je iz DOMI-jevog posta jasno da SC strip jer nema tvrdi uvez po defaultu ima sranje od epizoda, loool! A ono u PI ES-u : nisam govorio o tome "kakav je" užitak citati HC, odnosno SC Marty, vec sam htio reci nešto o doživljaju pri citanju MM-a kao takvoga (strip junaka).
Pa, naravno , slažem se s tobom da nije baš dobro što ce SA izostaviti neke naslovnice. A i strip sporo izlazi. Znaci, i meni se svida izgled HC izdanja, svida mi se i tisak i prijevod i brzina izlaska, ali... Ali moj mi novcanik neda izbora i prisilno moram odabrati drugu opciju, onu jeftiniju!  I moram progutati sve te (MANJE VAŽNE) mane, jer dobro je što MM uopce izlazi. Stare Martije ionako imam od dnevnika. Sam strip mi je uvijek iznad svega, iznad svake komponente, jer ako cu vec kupovati ukrase za sobu bolje mi je onda uzeti kakvu ukrasnu vazu ili umjetnicku sliku... Jedino opravdanje koje uvažavm od strane HC ljubitelja je ono da kupuju HC strip jer im nema druge, jer drukcije izdanje ne bi vidjeli u svom životu.
Pa ja sam i reko da se ne osecam prozvanim i uopste se nisam uvredio,samo komentarisem onako bezveze Nisam ljubitelj HC ali mi se svidja sve ostalo kod Libellusa - veliki trud koji se ulaze da prevod i lektura budu savrseni,dizajn odlican,da se ne izostavlja nista od originalnog izdanja(ni naslovne) i ritam izlazenja(to mi mozda i najvise znaci od svega). HC izdanja mi odgovaraju samo kod debljih izdanja(Maxi,specijalci,giganti) da se ne bi raspadali,mada mi se i neki regularni Ludensovi na 96 strana raspadaju. Da imam SC alternativu koja je po svemu jednaka Libellusovim izdanjima osim po koricama, uzimao bih je. Ali je nema.
Jedino regularno izdanje koje uzimam HC bez obzira sto ima alternativu je AF klasik jer to jeste klasik |
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Tex Willer
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Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
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Posted - 18/05/2008 : 18:31:22
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quote: Originally posted by jaki
al je zato od strip agenta povoljniji(jeftiniji). oni koji skupljaju korice neka ih lipo isprintaju sa neta. a kako sad MM u strip agentu ide cjelovita prica neceš zaboravit šta je bilo u prethodnom broju.
Ne kaze se dzabe - ako ne znas sta je dobro,pitaj sta je skupo - i to pravilo u vecini slucajeva vazi. Ne skupljam korice,vec stripove,ali volim da strip izlazi kao sto je u originalu i da se ne izmislja topla voda kad vec postoji. Jesi li ti to siguran da je ovo novi koncept? Ne secam se da se izdavac oglasio po tom pitanju,kao ni po mnogim drugim pitanjima. A i ako jeste novi koncept,moglo je to bolje da se resi - 2 ili 3 broja u jednom sa naslovnim stranama. I ne vidim da si prokomentarisao najvaznije stvari koje sam potencirao kod Libellusa - prevod i lekturu i ritam izlazenja - ili i to nije bitno? Kad budes replicirao,bas me interesuje sta ces da kazes na ovo,jer je to valjda najvaznije? Mozda je bitno samo da imamo slike unutar stripa sa kakvim-takvim prevodom po sto manjoj ceni? |
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Tex Willer
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Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
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Posted - 18/05/2008 : 18:36:14
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quote: Originally posted by DOMI
U slobodnoj tržišnoj privredi ponudene su razni proizvodi u raznim pakiranjima i oblicima, pa svatko može odabrati za sebe.
Ružno je etiketirati nekoga tko je oduševljen HC-om, bespredmetno je davati odgovor na takvo što.
A i ovo stoji,mada nisam ljubitelj HC vec stripofil koji ceni sve ono sto ide uz Libellusova i Fibrina izdanja - kvalitetan prevod,ritam,obradu i sl. |
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Curunir
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Croatia
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Posted - 18/05/2008 : 21:05:07
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quote: Originally posted by Inferno
quote: Originally posted by DOMI
quote: Originally posted by jaki
quote: Originally posted by DOMI
Ja kupujem samo Libellusove originale plus Super Book MM plus Almanah MM, ove nove epizode (special i redovne) mi se uopce ne svidaju...
kakvi su to Libellusovi originali?????????
tvrdi uvez starih prica, do sada to nitko nije tako originalno (likovno/graficki) opremio kao Libellus
Aha, znaci ti citaš uvez!? Kao, ono, kako uopce neka (redovna & spec) epizoda može biti kvalitativno dobra kad nema uveza?! Kako se to uopce može citati, lol?
Još jedan primjer cistog fetišizma...  
P.S. Mnogi citatelji "nisu na cistu zašto citaju MM". Trebate odmah na pocetku rašcistiti da temelj uživancije u ovom stripu NIJE puko nizanje cinjenica tipa: Arheolog Marty Misterija sa svojim grbavim pomocnikom Javom je otišo pr'vrcat neke stine u potrazi za davno nestalim artefaktom ala Indiana Jones, a pritom je upucao zle henchmene opakog bossa koji želi iskorisiti artefakt za vladanje svijetom! Shvacanje da je SAMO OVAKVO nizanje cinjenica osnova uživanicje ovog stripa, je potpuno pogrešno. A to vecinu i odbija, jer u postmodernom MM-u takvih "akcijskih" elemenata ima na kapaljku, odnosno sve je puno kompliciranog i "zbunjujuceg" teksta. MM jednostavno nije to što mnogi shvacaju da jest. TO nema nikakve veze sa ZG, TX, MrNO... U MM-u mogu uživati samo oni citatelji, koji su stvarno željni poucnih (skoro intelektualnih) tekstova punih složene materije sastavljene od malo poznatih, mikronskih i, za laike, gotovo potpuno nevažnih "informacija; željnih intrigantnih misterija (na rubu znanosti) iz domene povijesti, umjetnosti, znanstvene fantastike...; željnih uživancije u umjetnosti, umjetnickim artefaktima, arhitekturi, slikarstvu...; željnih zdravog humora; a neki znaju i uživati u "dosadi" MM svijeta (ja prvi). Mogao bih unedogled. Znaci, ako Vas zamara složen i "dosadan" scenarij pun nerazumljivih termina, ako prezirete "štreberluk" i ako Vas ne interesira barem nešto od navedenog, najpametnije je da ne citate taj strip, jer u protivnom necete moci osjetiti svu car koju pruža Martin Mystere!
 
jaki, mpavine (standardno) i inferno, kratko i jasno: serete. Kao sto je i ''postrevolucionarni'' mm najcesce cisto sranje, i to ce biti kad dodje i u Libellusovom izdanju. stari marti je jedini marti. |
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Curunir
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Croatia
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Posted - 18/05/2008 : 21:06:34
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quote: Originally posted by jaki
al je zato od strip agenta povoljniji(jeftiniji). oni koji skupljaju korice neka ih lipo isprintaju sa neta. a kako sad MM u strip agentu ide cjelovita prica neceš zaboravit šta je bilo u prethodnom broju.
Boze, pa ti znas srati i na kvadrat. ajd ne druzi se previse s hammerom... |
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Curunir
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Croatia
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Posted - 18/05/2008 : 21:08:00
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quote: Originally posted by Tex Willer
quote: Originally posted by DOMI
U slobodnoj tržišnoj privredi ponudene su razni proizvodi u raznim pakiranjima i oblicima, pa svatko može odabrati za sebe.
Ružno je etiketirati nekoga tko je oduševljen HC-om, bespredmetno je davati odgovor na takvo što.
A i ovo stoji,mada nisam ljubitelj HC vec stripofil koji ceni sve ono sto ide uz Libellusova i Fibrina izdanja - kvalitetan prevod,ritam,obradu i sl.
tocno. momci, sto im uopce odgovarate? prepustite to meni
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Tex Willer
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Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
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Posted - 18/05/2008 : 21:17:14
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quote: Originally posted by Curunir
quote: Originally posted by Tex Willer
quote: Originally posted by DOMI
U slobodnoj tržišnoj privredi ponudene su razni proizvodi u raznim pakiranjima i oblicima, pa svatko može odabrati za sebe.
Ružno je etiketirati nekoga tko je oduševljen HC-om, bespredmetno je davati odgovor na takvo što.
A i ovo stoji,mada nisam ljubitelj HC vec stripofil koji ceni sve ono sto ide uz Libellusova i Fibrina izdanja - kvalitetan prevod,ritam,obradu i sl.
tocno. momci, sto im uopce odgovarate? prepustite to meni
Nisi bio tu Ako sam napravio neke greske izlektorisi,ali poenta je jasna(nadam se) |
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Curunir
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Posted - 18/05/2008 : 21:19:44
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sve jasno, ali kad vec 'oces, na srpskom je poanta  |
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Tex Willer
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Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
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Posted - 18/05/2008 : 21:22:25
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A ide mi na nerve to sto ispada da kupci HC izdanja uzimaju to zbog lepog izgleda polica ili da bi se kurcili pred prijateljima. Tim policama nema pristup ni najbliza rodbina(izuzetak su par prijatelja za koje znam da ce ih vratiti u istom stanju u kakvom su ih uzeli. Dogodine se vidimo na Mafestu,samo da je zdravlja... Ako usfali novac prodacu 2-3 HC izdanja po basnoslovnim cenama Baci pogled na Raspucinovu izjavu - umro sam od smeha http://forum.stripovi.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=30324 |
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Curunir
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Posted - 18/05/2008 : 21:26:40
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znas kako se kaze. psi laju a karavane... bilo je super dolje, moras doci. Sloba me vrbovao za Gay Thursday pa dajem otkaz u Libellusu, keve mi 
popickarati obavezno u sva izdanja VC-a! ukljucivo s beocugom, jel tako Deki, Djole, Dusmane?
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Inferno
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Croatia
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Posted - 18/05/2008 : 22:36:04
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Odma seremo kad nam se mišljenja ne slažu.
Pa di sam ja reka da je stari MM loš??? Pa to je super zlatni period!!!!!!!!!
Kad vec serem, nek bude i proliv...
Opet cu reci da ima i dobrih epizoda od SD & SA i ako neko misli da nema, taj sere!!!   Najjaci argument!
Pozdrav!
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Mefisto je lik koji Texa spasava od kritika na pretjeranom realizmu.
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mpavin
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Posted - 18/05/2008 : 22:54:40
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quote: Originally posted by Curunir jaki, mpavine (standardno) i inferno, kratko i jasno: serete. Kao sto je i ''postrevolucionarni'' mm najcesce cisto sranje, i to ce biti kad dodje i u Libellusovom izdanju. stari marti je jedini marti.
krivo si to posra napisa, triba bi ti jedan malo jaci lektor za te rici.
a i ne znan što mene spominješ, ja sam samo odgovorio na onu opasku "Libellus originali" a ne na kvalitetu novijih i starijih epizoda. |
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jaki
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Tex Willer
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Posted - 19/05/2008 : 08:44:04
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quote: Originally posted by jaki
evo ja cu reci-vecina starijih Martija(prvih 100)mi je loša a tako mi je i sa novima.
To je vec legitiman stav. Nema stripa do Teksa Sad ce opet Curunir da se javi,al' ce ovaj put i mene da nagrdi |
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DeeCay
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Posted - 19/05/2008 : 11:40:36
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Komentar da je postrevolucionarni period MM-a najvece cisto sranje mogao bih uvažavati samo ljubitelju MM-a i onome tko je to procitao, ne jednom lektoru koji je nekad volio kad je bio mali citati pustolovne stripove... Ima i jako dobrih epizoda u tom periodu, sorry. |
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tardis123456
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Posted - 21/05/2008 : 16:50:04
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meni je pomalo ovo smijesno pogotovo ako usporedimo samo koliko je dnevnik naslovnica preskocio i izmjesao. meni je ipak bitnije da mm izlazi u bilo kojem obliku a dok libellus dodje do ovih epizoda ko ziv ko mrtav |
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Posted - 21/05/2008 : 17:29:43
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Koliko kenjate Trebali bi svi biti srecni što konacno imamo izbor i sve više izdanja u ponudi. Pa nek svak kupuje ono što voli i misli da treba. Ova nabedivanja šta je nekom bolje su nepotrebna. |
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kico
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mpavin
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Posted - 24/05/2008 : 14:26:47
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e, da pitam...hoce li ludens objaviti MM&DD Teamup, ima li tko kakvih svježih informacija s Mafesta u vezi toga? Kico, Malicius? vidim da ste vi najviše informirani... |
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Vorador
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Posted - 24/05/2008 : 15:25:08
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quote: Originally posted by mpavin
e, da pitam...hoce li ludens objaviti MM&DD Teamup, ima li tko kakvih svježih informacija s Mafesta u vezi toga? Kico, Malicius? vidim da ste vi najviše informirani...
I mene to zanima . Inace uzeo sam danas novi MM i super mi je izdanje, jedva cekam nastavke.... |
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tardis123456
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Antracit
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Posted - 24/05/2008 : 16:43:10
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I ja sam za ovakva, kompletna izdanja, kad vec ne ide mjesecnim ritmom. Kod epizoda u nastavcima me zivciralo sto kad bi kupio nastavak, vec bi toliko vremena proslo da bi zaboravio kako je prica uopce zapocela. Krivo mi je jedino ako se budu gubile naslovnice ... A sto se tice epizode - sasvim OK epizoda, iako, cudno, rekao bi da ovu epizodu nije pisao Castelli - kao da mi je Martin malo out character, no ne smeta |
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Curunir
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Posted - 24/05/2008 : 17:18:02
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quote: Originally posted by Vorador
quote: Originally posted by mpavin
e, da pitam...hoce li ludens objaviti MM&DD Teamup, ima li tko kakvih svježih informacija s Mafesta u vezi toga? Kico, Malicius? vidim da ste vi najviše informirani...
I mene to zanima . Inace uzeo sam danas novi MM i super mi je izdanje, jedva cekam nastavke....
koliko ja znam, ludens prprema Malicius&Demon team up: zajednicke dogodovstine nezaboravna para uz globinjovo voajerstvo  |
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