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manhunter
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Switzerland
25771 Posts
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Posted - 09/07/2008 : 19:02:15
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quote: Originally posted by Džedson
quote: Originally posted by manhunter
-Ja nisam Zagorov/Sclavijev fan
- I flamby je u pravu, i ja hocu po lipu/cent/paru/whatever po gluposti koju procitam/napišem ovde. Hocu i ja jednom kao covek na Maledive ili Sejšele..  
Nisi Zagorov fan, kažeš?Cudno, covjek kad procita tvoju recenziju za maxi Dugo putovanje(jedna od boljih na sajtu) bi pomislio suprotno.
Pa sve zavisi šta podrazumevaš pod pojmom "fan". "Dugo putovanje" mi je jedan od najboljih Bonelli stripova koje sam procitao. Ali nisam jedan od onih koji misle da je Zagor najbolji/najveci/najjaci/najnajnaj itd. Volim da citm sve stripove, pa i Zagora, i mislim da kod svakog junaka može da se nade bar jedna dobra prica. I nijedan mi nije najnajnaj...Dobro, možda jedan Ali fan  |
I am legion. I do not forget. I do not forgive.
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Džedson
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535 Posts
Member since 29/04/2008 |
Posted - 09/07/2008 : 19:21:22
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quote: Originally posted by manhunter
quote: Originally posted by Džedson
quote: Originally posted by manhunter
-Ja nisam Zagorov/Sclavijev fan
- I flamby je u pravu, i ja hocu po lipu/cent/paru/whatever po gluposti koju procitam/napišem ovde. Hocu i ja jednom kao covek na Maledive ili Sejšele..  
Nisi Zagorov fan, kažeš?Cudno, covjek kad procita tvoju recenziju za maxi Dugo putovanje(jedna od boljih na sajtu) bi pomislio suprotno.
Pa sve zavisi šta podrazumevaš pod pojmom "fan". "Dugo putovanje" mi je jedan od najboljih Bonelli stripova koje sam procitao. Ali nisam jedan od onih koji misle da je Zagor najbolji/najveci/najjaci/najnajnaj itd. Volim da citm sve stripove, pa i Zagora, i mislim da kod svakog junaka može da se nade bar jedna dobra prica. I nijedan mi nije najnajnaj...Dobro, možda jedan Ali fan 
Fan je skraceno od fanatik, pa ti vidi...Za ovo ostalo da bi rec rekel.Svaka cast na recenziji za Dugo putovanje |
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manhunter
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Switzerland
25771 Posts
Member since 17/09/2004 |
Posted - 09/07/2008 : 20:08:40
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quote: Originally posted by Džedson
Fan je skraceno od fanatik, pa ti vidi...
Fala na crash kursu enl.jezika..  Napisao sam da nisam fan, zato što su me tamo još i "optužili" da kao okoreli fan ne mogu da istrpim kritiku omiljenog mi junaka, pa rekoh samo da pojasnim...Inace, citam i Zagora ponekad, i nisam jedan od onih koji to nikada ne bi priznali, samo zato da ne bi izgubili malo od coolnessa koji misle da imaju.. 
quote: Za ovo ostalo da bi rec rekel.
Ne kontam... 
quote: Svaka cast na recenziji za Dugo putovanje
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I am legion. I do not forget. I do not forgive.
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npetros2@htnet-dsl
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Papua New Guinea
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Posted - 09/07/2008 : 20:54:31
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@Beva -Kad ja cujem da on cilu epizodu plagira a ostali ga dižu u nebesa, onda poludim.Pri tom ne mislim sitno plagiranje za koje nema veze.
Ko mi onda kaže da nije i ukrao onaj twist sa Alienom u Mister No epizodi koji je - by the way - tako dobro ispao? |
David Hayter: Legend is nothing but fiction, someone teels it, someone else remembers, everybody passes it on [/font=Trebuchet MS] Solidus Snake: Brother, this is a whole different game from Liquid! Don`t do lunch! That`s like the express lane to the friend zone! -Ryan Reynolds- |
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Beva
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Bosnia and Herzegovina
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Posted - 09/07/2008 : 21:06:53
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quote: Originally posted by npetros2@htnet-dsl
@Beva -Kad ja cujem da on cilu epizodu plagira a ostali ga dižu u nebesa, onda poludim.Pri tom ne mislim sitno plagiranje za koje nema veze.
Ko mi onda kaže da nije i ukrao onaj twist sa Alienom u Mister No epizodi koji je - by the way - tako dobro ispao?
Danas je prakticno nemoguce napisati nešto novo... Što god da napišeš, vec je netko prije tebe napisao, barem slicno... Svaki scenarist u Bonelliju posuduje ideje iz knjiga, filmova, serija... Bitan je nacin pisanja, a po tome se Sclavi razlikuje... Pa on od sasvim prosjecne ideje može napraviti remek-djelo... Evo, recimo, zamisli da je Boselli pisao Dugacki pozdrav... Prica vjerojatno ne bi ispala ni upola tako dobra... Upravo taj Sclavijev prepoznatljiv stil, to je ono što volim... Sama ideja mi i nije najbitnija ako izvedba valja...
Primjer, Boselli je lik Caina posudio... Castelli u Mystereu obraduje opce poznate misterije, ne izmišlja ih sam... Onda, u Texu su uvijek prisutni svi klišei western filmova... U Magico Ventu Manfredi takoder obraduje indijansku mitologiju... Shvacaš? Teško je izmisliti nešto potpuno novo... I po tome se razlikuju dobri i loši scenaristi, po novom pristupu vec poznatim temama... |
Jubilarni Polo 10!http://forum.stripovi.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=51213 |
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culfis
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6738 Posts
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Posted - 10/07/2008 : 09:35:55
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Da se vratim na pocetak, neko je komentarisao da je trebalo nesto novo - ubiti Zagora, ali Sklavi je to vec ucinio (tacnije Crni Gospodar) u Hordama zla?!? |
Jel to štos iz Minhena? |
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teller
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Slovenia
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Posted - 10/07/2008 : 10:52:01
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Kad cete naucit DA JE ZAGOR BEZSMRTAN. |
CITAJTE TELLERA,... DA BI POSTALI BOLJI LJUDI! STRIP JUNAK KOJI UCI POŠTENJU I PRAVDI!
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DeeCay
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Croatia
21661 Posts
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Posted - 10/07/2008 : 11:30:00
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quote: Originally posted by npetros2@htnet-dsl
@Beva -Kad ja cujem da on cilu epizodu plagira a ostali ga dižu u nebesa, onda poludim.Pri tom ne mislim sitno plagiranje za koje nema veze.
Što ste opsjednuti toliko originalnošcu? Ko da se vec zadnjih 20 godina sve ne reciklira iznova i iznova, samo uz neke znacajne razlike. Al, npetros, gornja tvoja tvrdnja mi nije jasna. Ti kad cuješ da on plagira cijelu epizodu (znaci da ti nisi shvatio da je plagirao, a možda nisi ni procitao da možeš dati svoj sud), ali svejedno, ti poludiš. Zašto poludiš? Jel ti je netko rekao da je plagiranje? |
“A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies; the man who never reads lives only one." |
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VALTER
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Croatia
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Posted - 10/07/2008 : 12:31:25
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Ovo o cemu vi pricate Berardi je pokušao objaniti (opravdati se?) u KP #50: Price o vojnicima, kroz dijalog pisca Ambrosea Biercea i Kena Parkera.
KP: A što je onda s kreativnošcu?
AB: Kreativnost, u svom znacenju 'stvoriti iz nicega' je termin koji više dolikuje Bogu, nego covjeku. Toliko hvaljen 'kreativni proces' je zapravo jednostavno povezivanje ideja, prosijano kroz vlastiti senzibilitet i izražajne sposobnosti.
KP: A odakle dolaze ideje?
AB: Iz spoznaje, koja je produkt naših iskustava, naše kulture... Drugim rijecima, onoga što citamo, vidimo, cujemo i osjecamo...
KP: Dakle, pisac se nužno mora osloniti na vec napisano?
AB: Naravno. originalnost ne leži u temi koja se obraduje, nego u nacinu obrade. Kakvog bi inace smisla imalo pisati nakon Biblije i Homera? Mi, zapravo, neprestano pišemo te price iznova, prilagodavajuci ih našem senzibilitetu i senzibilitetu našeg vremena.
KP: Zadivljujuca teza! Kad bolje razmislim, ni veliki izumitelji nisu napravili ništa drugo nego spojili prijašnje izume, po nekoj svojoj logici!
AB: A isto je u glazbi, slikarstvu i svim drugim ljudskim izricajima. Ali, naravno, publika to ne smije znati, jer bi se izgubila mitska aureola kreirana - da, u smislu 'stvoriti iz nicega' - iz uobicajenih komercijalnih motiva! |
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dcopic
stripovi.com suradnik
    

Croatia
6221 Posts
Member since 20/01/2005 |
Posted - 10/07/2008 : 13:49:13
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Meni plagiranje previše ne smeta. Kao što je netko gore spomenuo, skoro sve je vec videno i 100 puta obradeno. Pogledajte samo filmove, serije, igrice itd... U Nathan Neveru smo imali prilike vidjeti nacrtane zgrade u buducnosti kao u nekim Manarinim crtežima. Kada Ferri nacrta Zagora kako udara desni kroše svi se zaklinju da plagira Tarzanove pokrete, itd,itd... Znaci ako netko prvi nacrta covjekolikog robota, nitko ga više ne bi smio nacrtati nalik izvornom, da ne bi slucajno ispao plagijator. Meni su to sve gluposti.  |
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piquet
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Croatia
1593 Posts
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Posted - 10/07/2008 : 15:16:24
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quote: Originally posted by dcopic
Meni plagiranje previše ne smeta. Kao što je netko gore spomenuo, skoro sve je vec videno i 100 puta obradeno. Pogledajte samo filmove, serije, igrice itd... U Nathan Neveru smo imali prilike vidjeti nacrtane zgrade u buducnosti kao u nekim Manarinim crtežima. Kada Ferri nacrta Zagora kako udara desni kroše svi se zaklinju da plagira Tarzanove pokrete, itd,itd... Znaci ako netko prvi nacrta covjekolikog robota, nitko ga više ne bi smio nacrtati nalik izvornom, da ne bi slucajno ispao plagijator. Meni su to sve gluposti. 
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"I kako se može razaznati je li neciji jezik iskren, ako mu ne gledamo u lice dok govori i ako ne slušamo zvuk njegovih rijeci?" |
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osim
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Vatican City
1686 Posts
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Posted - 10/07/2008 : 16:40:53
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Postoje tu 2 stvari: 1. Neki strip ti se ne svida i ti tamo da postoji mesto namenjeno za iznošenje mišljenja o stripu izneseš tvoje mišljenje. 2. Ne svida ti se necije mišljenje, a ti onda kreneš da ga vredaš i diskredituješ. Ono prvo se zove sloboda mišljenja i govora. Ovo drugo ne bih da komentarišem, TAKVI nisu vredni ni komentara...
quote: Originally posted by GeneziS
quote: Originally posted by osim
Inace, moram da priznam da ste me provalili. Doista se radi o jednoj široj (ne samo balkanskoj) zavjeri, iza koje stoji Vatican i papa Benedict, koji je u stvari Hellingen, koji se ponovo vratio sa šeste planete, kako bi se konacno obracunao sa Zagorom, koji je, naravno, još uvijek živ, ali kako je Darkwood uništen, bio je prinuden da se nastani u Italiji, gdje je, skrivajuci se, uzeo gradansko ime T. Sclavi. Što reci, do da nema zavjere bez Vatican, to svi znamo, ali vjerujemo da ce se pokušaj Hellingena i inih mrskih na likova da se naruši ugled ljubljenog nam Zagora, alias T. Sclavija, i ovaj pup propasti. Neka se ne uplašimo ako saznamo iz štampe da se T. Sclaviju nešto dogodilo, da se rastao sa životom, jer carobni napitak koji ce mu spraiti Manhunter ce ga i ovaj put vratiti u život
Što implicira da je jeftina pseudofilozovija ništa drugo do - kenjaža.
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DeeCay
stripovi.com suradnik
    

Croatia
21661 Posts
Member since 24/09/2002 |
Posted - 10/07/2008 : 17:50:08
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Mislim da bih stvarno trebao procitati te Divove dobra i zla... Citao sam ih pred nekih 10 godina! |
“A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies; the man who never reads lives only one." |
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mpavin
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Niue
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Inferno
stripovi.com suradnik
    

Croatia
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Posted - 11/07/2008 : 20:46:45
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Recimo, NN "Spaljena zemlja" je plagijat da ga se ne pamti, ali mi je svejedno to jedna od najadražih epizoda (prvi NN). Znaci ni kod mene nema cjepidlacenja vezano za originalnost neke teme, ako je izvedba na razini. |
Mefisto je lik koji Texa spasava od kritika na pretjeranom realizmu.
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SlajeR
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Yemen
262 Posts
Member since 10/06/2003 |
Posted - 11/07/2008 : 22:35:21
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quote: Originally posted by DeeCay
Mislim da bih stvarno trebao procitati te Divove dobra i zla... Citao sam ih pred nekih 10 godina!
ja ih upravo citam!! Kako se Sclavi simpaticno poigrao za Zagorom.. spusti ga na nivo divljaka iz sume(one sto i jeste) ,pa ga opet uzdigne do pravog super heroja(sto opet jeste)!? ... odoh ga docitam. |
Opusti misli i uci plivati.. |
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weljko94
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Serbia
3015 Posts
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Posted - 12/07/2008 : 01:10:47
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quote: Originally posted by Beva
quote: Originally posted by teller
Tako je DeeCay, shvatio si suštino mojih reci-BRAVO!!!!! TELLER ZA MODERATORA, treba li zapravo i razmišljati?Ako hocete red, rad i disciplinu,Teller je odgovor na sve izazove.Za pocetak ce svi Zagoromrsci morat procitat Omcu ili Kukce po 10 puta zaredom i napraviti referat. Od referata zavisi kakav ce tretman imati na forumu, ko uspije napisati slavospjev Zagoru, dobice 2 bezplatna topica na godinu, ko ne uspije Zagora dignuti u visine dobice ban na 2 godine.Tada ce forum biti takav kakav bi trebalo da bude. Do kralja treba se ponašat kraljevski.A Zagor i Ferri to zaslužuju.Amen i necu trpit prigovore na napisano.
weljko94 je bio izbacen zbog prijetnji moderatorima, pa ti gledaj :)
ej ej eeeej,ne uvlacite mene,jeste da je moja zavera da nasrnemo ja i zagor na globinja nije uspela ali jednom ce uspeti  lol nisam ovo napisao
e citajuci ovaj topic(ja sam dete a ne znam shta je mali rendzer el sa ja ok???)zeleo sam da napishem ovo da vidim shta cete mi reci...mozeeee:
mister no:bilo jednom u njujorku:ne mogu da verujem kako je ovaj strip sranje  
tex viller:karsonova proslost:gluplji strip u zivotu nisam procitao  
e sad da vidim reakcije... |
Tebi pripada kraljevstvo zaborava na cijim granicama padaju sve maske,pa se tako prema tvojoj palati približavamo lišeni secanja, godina i kao bezimena bica ulazimo u božanski putir,nalik na kakvu vatrenu hostiju |
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osim
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Vatican City
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Posted - 12/07/2008 : 07:31:09
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Ne gubi vrijeme, novi Micky Mouse je izašao, a on je kudikamo ozbiljniji strip od Divova!
quote: Originally posted by DeeCay
Mislim da bih stvarno trebao procitati te Divove dobra i zla... Citao sam ih pred nekih 10 godina!
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SlajeR
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Yemen
262 Posts
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Posted - 12/07/2008 : 14:42:01
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quote: Originally posted by osim
Ne gubi vrijeme, novi Micky Mouse je izašao, a on je kudikamo ozbiljniji strip od Divova!
quote: Originally posted by DeeCay
Mislim da bih stvarno trebao procitati te Divove dobra i zla... Citao sam ih pred nekih 10 godina!
A sto ih ti decko ne bi opet prelistao?? pa ako treba i opet.. i opet.. i opet.. Dok ne dodjes do opste prihvacenog misljenja! |
Opusti misli i uci plivati.. |
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Pajtos
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Sierra Leone
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Posted - 12/08/2008 : 20:29:33
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Da podgrejemo temu!Jedna zanimljivost u vezi ove legendarne i kultne epizode,jel' ko primetio jednu,po meni zanimljivu Ferrijevu gresku?Naime,u "Na granici moguceg",u tabli gde eksplodira perijeva laboratorija,Ciko i baron Ikarovo Pero,su istovremeno i u zatvoru i nasred dvorista?Nikada mi nije bilo jasno kako mu je to promaklo? |
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lwood
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Colombia
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osim
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Vatican City
1686 Posts
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Posted - 12/08/2008 : 21:22:18
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Ma, nije mu to promaklo, to je on namerno...samo mi to ne kapiramo, trebamo to da citamo opet, pa opet, pa opet, dok ne ukapiramo! |
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dcopic
stripovi.com suradnik
    

Croatia
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Pajtos
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Sierra Leone
4684 Posts
Member since 28/07/2008 |
Posted - 13/08/2008 : 00:16:06
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Hm,ne bih rekao.Dnevnik jeste masakrirao puno stripova,ali su ovde u pitanju desavanja na jednoj tabli?Cak i da je neki naucnik iz Dnevnika uspeo ceo kais da isece sa table,opet su Ciko i baron bili na dva mesta u istom momentu.Eto,k'o sto rece osim,treba to opet i opet videti,pa javite misljenja... |
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Opti
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Vatican City
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Posted - 25/09/2010 : 20:41:49
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He, he, da... DDiZ je stvarno bio užasno osakacen od strane Dnevnika. Najcudnija stranica odrezana iz te epizode jest kad su Ciko i Ikarovo Pero svezani za stupu za mucenje, pa neki Indijanac baci sjekiru prema Ciku i prospe mu mozak u onom odvratnom, hladnom, dilandogovskom stilu. Da su to djeca imala prilike vidjeti bila bi traumatizirana za dugo vremena. Netko je cak bio postavio te stranice na forum, ako se ne varam... |
Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübert ragungsgesetz!! |
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