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quote: Originally posted by Elderane84
Ma, meni nije jasno zasto postoji tolika upornost da se traze price kao iz sedamdesetih, Ciko ceka Zagora u gradu, sretne Trampija, upadne u frku, pobjegne, sretne Zagora, krenu na neki skup, usput nalete na sve i svasta, Zagor razrijesi misteriju, i ajmo dalje. Super je meni sve to, volim te price, ali ovaj noviji stil, i Buratinijev, a posebno Boselijev mi je prikladniji. Ovaj novi VC je sjajan. Crtez i vise nego na nivou, prica takodje. Iako se klupko odmotalo, nije najjasnije sta ce se desiti do kraja. Necu da dajem spojlere, ali meni je ovaj broj pravo dobar. Sve se razvija polako, o svakom liku se sazna ponesto, i maltene niko ko je uveden u pricu ne ostaje nedorecen. Kao da gledam dobar film. Shvatam nostalgiju, shvatam sve, ali brojevi koje je pisao Nolita danas ne bi prolazili ko nove strip publike. Definitivno.
U pozadini svega stoje prica i crtez a cesto su bas ta dva kriterijuma mnogo slabija kod novog Zagora u ondosu na onog starog.Ferri, Donatelli i Bignotti u poredjenju sa novijim crtacima, brrrrr...smesno. Nollita, Sclavi, Castelli, Toninelli....Previse je tu dobrih epizoda da bi se tek tako moglo podvesti to razdoblje u nesto sto pripada proslosti. Istina je da su Boselli i Buratini osvezili Zagora i dali mu vetar u ledja kada mu je to trebalo ali sada su se i oni i istrosili kao sto je to bio slucaj ranije i sa drugim autorima. Problem je sto nema jakog autora koji je u stanju da iznese Zagora na svojim plecima. Rauch obecava ali njemu treba godinu dana da napise pricu, potreban je neko ko ce obezbediti i kvalitet i kvanitet i ko ce polako odmeniti umornog Buratinija. U zadnje vreme mislim da bi Ruju mogao da se oproba sa Zagorom, istina je da on ima cesto odlicne ideje kod Dilan Doga a problem se javi kada pozeli da prici da ono nesto posebno (Sclavijev Pecat) pa onda napravi nesto sto umanji ocenu price za 20%. Kod Zagora ne bi imao to Scalivejovo breme i mislim da bi mogao lepo da se razmase sa svojim idejama. Sve u svemu, Zagoru treba novi vodeci scenarist a njega trenutno nema i ako ga ne nadju za par godina vec vidim gasenje negde 2012 godine. A bila bi steta....
Te godine je ionako najavljen smak sveta, tako da se nece samo Zagor ugasiti ! |
Dajte nam Ralph Azhama;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)! |
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Posted - 14/11/2009 : 10:10:32
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quote: Originally posted by Pajtos
Antitju,da ti zloguki pradeda vrac nije neki rod? 
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Dajte nam Ralph Azhama;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)! |
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Mhejl
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Posted - 14/11/2009 : 10:59:27
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Procitao sam novog Zagora, 'Juriš Mohava'. Bah, osrednje. Ono što najviše ometa potencijalnog citaoca je ogromna kolicina okolišanja, razvlacenja, scena bez glave i repa. Dakle, Boseli je poceo pricu kao još jednu 'darkvudsku' avanturu, borba protiv Indijanaca, izdajnika i tako dalje... Takav osjecaj imamo u prva dva dijela. Ali, u ovom stripu radnja se naglo pretvara u gradsku krimi-pricu, u Kentakiju. Ne, to ne valja. Previše oscilacija. Osim toga, ako je Boseli htio pošalje Zagora izvan Darkvuda, trebao je to uciniti u prvoj epizodi, eventualno drugoj. I sam David, premda je lik oko koga se vrti citava saga, je sasvim slabo prikazan lik, neutralan i bez sopstvenog aktivnog ucestvovanja u radnji (da, sve se vrti oko njega, a on sam prakticno ništa ne radi). Imam još jedno zapažanje. Boseli je u ovom dijelu naglo podlegao naivnostima i klišeima svih vrsta, pa smo tako dobili plemice kojima se iz aviona vidi da pripadaju suprotnoj strani, pateticnu scenu sa promašenim glumcem (loš pokušaj stvaranja 'sivog' lika, najgore mi je kada pun nade kaže Zagoru:''Primio sam metak umjesto tebe!'')... Obratite pažnju na onu scenu kada Ciko otvara onu ogromnu knjigu i odmah nalazi pasus koji je doktor upotrebio. Tupavo! A najveci kliše i mana leži u cinjenici da ce misterija Davidovog porijekla biti riješena na najbanalniji moguci nacin. Zamislite, on je možda izgubljeni princ Sildavije! Auh, ja obrta! Kako mrzim kada izmišljaju mala evropska kraljevstva sa nestalim princom, princezom, kraljem....
Ima vremena da se popravi ('Misisipi'), ali je za sada kvalitet price uništen. |
Edited by - Mhejl on 14/11/2009 23:23:48 |
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Posted - 14/11/2009 : 13:58:18
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quote: Originally posted by anto [ Te godine je ionako najavljen smak sveta, tako da se nece samo Zagor ugasiti !
ako je mogao John Cusack prezivjeti, valjda ce i Zagor |
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Posted - 14/11/2009 : 14:06:10
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quote: Originally posted by tiberije
Sve u svemu, Zagoru treba novi vodeci scenarist a njega trenutno nema i ako ga ne nadju za par godina vec vidim gasenje negde 2012 godine. A bila bi steta....
vec je pripremljen 1000 Zagor:


a priprema se i graficka novela:

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Posted - 14/11/2009 : 14:32:35
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u mom primerku novog zagora fali jedna stranica ... ne znam zasto se to desava, ali suvise je cesto ... trebalo bi obratiti paznju na to ... |
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Posted - 14/11/2009 : 23:08:08
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quote: Originally posted by Mhejl
Procitao sam novog Zagora, 'Juriš Mohava'. Bah, osrednje. Ono što najviše ometa potencijalnog citaoca je ogromna kolicina okolišanja, razvlacenja, scena bez glave i repa. Dakle, Boseli je poceo pricu kao još jednu 'darkvudsku' avanturu, borba protiv Indijanaca, izdajnika i tako dalje... Takav osjecaj imamo u prva dva dijela. Ali, u ovom stripu radnja se naglo pretvara u gradsku krimi-pricu, u Kentakiju. Ne, to ne valja. Previše oscilacija. Osim toga, ako je Boseli htio pošalje Zagora izvan Darkvuda, trebao je to uciniti u prvoj epizodi, eventualno drugoj. I sam David, premda je lik oko koga se vrti citava saga, je sasvim slabo prikazan lik, neutralan i bez sopstvenog aktivnog ucestvovanja u radnji (da, sve se vrti oko njega, a on sam prakticno ništa ne radi). Imam još jedno zapažanje. Boseli je u ovom dijelu naglo podlegao naivnostima i klišeima svih vrsta, pa smo tako dobili plemice kojima se iz aviona vidi da pripadaju suprotnoj strani, pateticnu scenu sa promašenim glumcem (loš pokušaj stvaranja 'sivog' lika, najgore mi je kada pun nade kaže Zagoru:''Primio sam metak umjeto tebe!'')... Obratite pažnju na onu scenu kada Ciko otvara onu ogromnu knjigu i odmah nalazi pasus koji je doktor upotrebio. Tupavo! A najveci kliše i mana leži u cinjenici da ce misterija Davidovog porijekla biti riješena na najbanalniji moguci nacin. Zamislite, on je možda izgubljeni princ Sildavije! Auh, ja obrta! Kako mrzim kada izmišljavu mala evropska kraljevstva sa nestalim princom, princezom, kraljem....
Ima vremena da se popravi ('Misisipi'), ali je za sada kvalitet price uništen.
Ni meni se u ovoj prici nista ne svidja. Nisam procitao "Juris Mohava" pa mozda i promenim misljenje, ali kad sam hteo da se prisetim radnje, shvatio sam da se secam tek nekih delova, a kad sam prelistao ponovo prva dva nastavka zakljuvcio sam da se ustvari nista nije ni desilo i da je, kako i Mhejl kaze, sve razvuceno do debilnosti. Boselli sucks, definitivno!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted - 14/11/2009 : 23:12:27
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@dp A svida li ti se crtež? Meni je odlican! Šteta što gospodin nije ostao u Zagorovj posadi(ali zato drže Mangijatinija i Pescea, jee! )... @Ostali Ima li iko plan izdanja Veselog cetvrtka za ostatak mjeseca? |
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Posted - 15/11/2009 : 00:43:59
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@Mheil
Ne mogu da ne kazem da se ne slazem u mnogim gore navedenim delovima. Al slab kvalitet Zagora ove godine generalno malo me je smeksao, tako da ovu epizodu gledam vise pozitivno no sto bi inace. Nego li jedno pitanjce, cisto me interesira, ova debela epizoda Velika zavera... imas li tu kakve zamerke? Cisto me interesuje da li cemo se poklopiti oko toga... ja ih imam dosta i verovatno cu uskoro da saspem sve sta mislim ovde uskoro... samo da se nakanem. |
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Posted - 15/11/2009 : 02:14:06
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@Mheil
Ne mogu da ne kazem da se ne slazem u mnogim gore navedenim delovima. Al slab kvalitet Zagora ove godine generalno malo me je smeksao, tako da ovu epizodu gledam vise pozitivno no sto bi inace. Nego li jedno pitanjce, cisto me interesira, ova debela epizoda Velika zavera... imas li tu kakve zamerke? Cisto me interesuje da li cemo se poklopiti oko toga... ja ih imam dosta i verovatno cu uskoro da saspem sve sta mislim ovde uskoro... samo da se nakanem.
U svakoj prici mozes naci mali milion zamerki i nelogicnosti, ne samo kod Zagora vec kod svakoj strip junaka, samo ako tako pristupis stripu i hvatas sve cemu se moze bilo sta zameriti. No, generalno je ta prica sa Tkacem dobra, pre svega je odlicna ideja na kojoj je prica bazirana i ta ideja je sjajno razvijana i doslo se do price kakvu smo dobili. E sad, ako je previse nelogicnosti i gluposti, onda ce to svakome upasti u oci pa se takva prica ni idejno ne moze svideti citaocu |
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Posted - 15/11/2009 : 02:20:15
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quote: Originally posted by Mhejl
@dp A svida li ti se crtež? Meni je odlican! Šteta što gospodin nije ostao u Zagorovj posadi(ali zato drže Mangijatinija i Pescea, jee! )... @Ostali Ima li iko plan izdanja Veselog cetvrtka za ostatak mjeseca?
Meni se u pocetku svidjao da bi me posle mali milion raznih stvari iznerviralo i nije mi zao sto nije medju Zagorovim crtacima. Pre svega, od crtaca ocekujem da se drzi prepoznatljivosti lika, dakle, da lici na samog sebe. Zbog toga ne podnosim Chiarollu i Laurentija iznad svih, cak mi je i Cassaro u tom pogledu bolji od njih. Iz slicnih razloga mi je, Mangiantinni postao neomiljen vec posle dva nastavka ove price. Kao sto se Kasper sprema da saspe gomilu toga sto mu smeta kod Tkaca, tako se ja spremam da saspem sve sto me nervira kod Mangiantinija. No, generalno, svakako bi mi on prijao kao crtac nekog drugog lika, kod Zagora sam jako osetljiv u tom pogledu |
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Posted - 15/11/2009 : 09:32:35
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quote: Originally posted by ---dp---
U svakoj prici mozes naci mali milion zamerki i nelogicnosti, ne samo kod Zagora vec kod svakoj strip junaka, samo ako tako pristupis stripu i hvatas sve cemu se moze bilo sta zameriti. No, generalno je ta prica sa Tkacem dobra, pre svega je odlicna ideja na kojoj je prica bazirana i ta ideja je sjajno razvijana i doslo se do price kakvu smo dobili.
Naravno da je ta sama ideja/prica jako dobra. Ono sto fali je realizicija... sto je zna da bude veoma veliki problem kod Kastelija. |
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Posted - 15/11/2009 : 09:58:24
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quote: Originally posted by kasper
quote: Originally posted by ---dp---
U svakoj prici mozes naci mali milion zamerki i nelogicnosti, ne samo kod Zagora vec kod svakoj strip junaka, samo ako tako pristupis stripu i hvatas sve cemu se moze bilo sta zameriti. No, generalno je ta prica sa Tkacem dobra, pre svega je odlicna ideja na kojoj je prica bazirana i ta ideja je sjajno razvijana i doslo se do price kakvu smo dobili.
Naravno da je ta sama ideja/prica jako dobra. Ono sto fali je realizicija... sto je zna da bude veoma veliki problem kod Kastelija.
Imam i ja zamjerki na tu pricu. U suštini, moja kritika ove price bi najviše govorila o cudovišno dugackom uvodu, koji guši ostatak radnje. |
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Posted - 15/11/2009 : 14:12:56
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quote: Originally posted by andjelt
u mom primerku novog zagora fali jedna stranica ... ne znam zasto se to desava, ali suvise je cesto ... trebalo bi obratiti paznju na to ...
Evo i meni se prvi put desilo da naidjem na falican primerak. Teks je u pitanju, fali desetak stranica koje su naravno uredno zamenjene sa desetak dupliranih.  |
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Posted - 15/11/2009 : 20:40:42
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quote: Originally posted by morrison
quote: Originally posted by andjelt
u mom primerku novog zagora fali jedna stranica ... ne znam zasto se to desava, ali suvise je cesto ... trebalo bi obratiti paznju na to ...
Evo i meni se prvi put desilo da naidjem na falican primerak. Teks je u pitanju, fali desetak stranica koje su naravno uredno zamenjene sa desetak dupliranih. 
to znaci da sad imas tex-specijal sa oko 130strane.  vidi se da ne stede na papiru? |
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Posted - 15/11/2009 : 23:26:11
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quote: Originally posted by kasper
@Mheil
Ne mogu da ne kazem da se ne slazem u mnogim gore navedenim delovima. Al slab kvalitet Zagora ove godine generalno malo me je smeksao, tako da ovu epizodu gledam vise pozitivno no sto bi inace. Nego li jedno pitanjce, cisto me interesira, ova debela epizoda Velika zavera... imas li tu kakve zamerke? Cisto me interesuje da li cemo se poklopiti oko toga... ja ih imam dosta i verovatno cu uskoro da saspem sve sta mislim ovde uskoro... samo da se nakanem.
kod citanja Zagora mozak mi je u autopilot programu bez puno ocekivanja, tako da nemam zamerku na radnju...osim standardnog hejta usmerenom ka Cikovoj ogranicenosti, ali to je usmereno ka vecem broju epizoda |
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Posted - 16/11/2009 : 15:23:04
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Zna li neko zasto nisu dosla ova nova izdanja u Podgoricu? Do sada su ivijek bila redovna. |
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Posted - 16/11/2009 : 18:10:00
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quote: Originally posted by cronos six
quote: Originally posted by morrison
quote: Originally posted by andjelt
u mom primerku novog zagora fali jedna stranica ... ne znam zasto se to desava, ali suvise je cesto ... trebalo bi obratiti paznju na to ...
Evo i meni se prvi put desilo da naidjem na falican primerak. Teks je u pitanju, fali desetak stranica koje su naravno uredno zamenjene sa desetak dupliranih. 
to znaci da sad imas tex-specijal sa oko 130strane.  vidi se da ne stede na papiru?
Da bar. 114 strana je tu, to je najbitnije. |
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