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Wooo
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Posted - 16/03/2002 : 13:53:21
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MisterNo kao jedan od likova iz Bonellijevih stripova po meni ima najbolje i najrealisticnije razvijen karakter.Ne sjecam se niti jednog M.No stripa koji mi je bio dosadan i kojeg sam procitao s mukom, sto mi se dogadalo sa nekim ostalim stripovima.Jedini je od svih Bonellijevih likova koji obavezno dobije po nosu, u zadnje vrijeme su se epizode malo pokvarile, i zato mislim da je M.No-u pothitno potreban jedan dobar crtac koji ce ga izvesti iz krize.Prvih 200 epizoda su po meni neponovljive.Takoder uz M.No-a se moze upoznati Amazona(dobro mozda ne sad bas detaljno), upoznali smo i Afriku, i upravo je to sto strip cini jos boljim.Scenarista ubaci tu i tamo koju informaciju o predjelu u kojem se odvija radnja, ali sve je to nenapadno i taman koliko treba da se citaoc poptuno uzivi u pricu.Zatim tu su i price o M.No-ovoj proslosti i upravo su i te epizode zakon. Cudim se kako to da Kruger nije otvorio ovaj topic jer ako se ne varam on je najkompetentniji kad se govori o M.NO-u.
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Heyoka
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Bosnia and Herzegovina
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Posted - 16/03/2002 : 18:24:59
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Hmmm, ispravi me ako griješim, Krugeru, ali mislim da na karakter samog junaka ne utice crtac (mada puno zavisi od prenošenja osjecaja na papir). U vezi ostalog se slažem s tobom.
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kasper
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Billy
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Croatia
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Posted - 16/03/2002 : 21:00:35
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Woo, potpuno si u pravu. Tih prvih 200 brojeva su cisto remekdjelo, tu nema slabe epizode. Nijedan Bonellijev strip se ne može mjeriti s MN po pitanju kompleknosti karaktera, životnoj filozofiji i onog što je mene najviše oduševljavalo i još uvijek oduševljava, a to je razradenost svijeta u kojem živi i sporednih lica koje srece. Nikad se nisam mogao uživiti ni u jedan drugi strip kao u Mister Noa, jer sam uvijek imao dojam da je sve to zapravo postojalo i da se sve te avanture zrcalo jedne civilizacije na rubu svijeta. Disu zapravo portret je slabija tocka, ali barem mu ne lice svi likovi jedan na drugoga kao nekim crtacima koji rade razgovijetnija lica ali uvijek svedena na cetiri-pet kalupa. Najbolje epizode MN su po meni: 1. Crvene senke - Vestern Džona Trevora - Vatreno podne 2. prakticki sve iz Afrike s posebnim naglaskom na Najrobi autostop - Trgovci slonovacom - Pobuna Masaja - Poslednji metak. 3. Dvoboj na Pantanalu - Vrata pakla - Obmana - Avet s Rio Kujabe - Osveta kapetana Tekseire. Od 200+ Legenda o Butchu Cassidyju - Patagonija.
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Colt
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Posted - 17/03/2002 : 00:32:37
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Meni najomiljenije epizode:
Crna reka(544/546) Tajni agent(557/559) Ljuta mrznja(679/682) Hodnik za pakao(700/702) Plavi djavo(719/721) Strah na Karibima(757/759) Dvoboj na nebu(787/789) Otrovna strela(863/865) Vazdusni gusar(888/891) Dvoboj na Pantanalu(905/910)
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Kruger
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Croatia
17244 Posts
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Posted - 17/03/2002 : 01:07:13
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Heyoka zavisi Crtac s crtama lica daje karakter junaku A kako ce drugacije Dobro nije tako jednostavno Malo se ubacuju pokreti pa odnos s drugim likovima i eto
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Billy
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steinbrenner
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Croatia
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Posted - 26/03/2002 : 14:07:06
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diso je uz bignotija najzasluzniji crtac mister noa. od disovog crteza je jedino ljepse otvorit neki bignotijev mister no - on je, uz disa, po meni obiljezio mister noa iako je nacrtao manje epizoda od disa. ne slazem se da fura ferrijev stil - bignoti je jedinstven i neponovljiv. ferri ga je premalo nacrtao, ali je kroz naslovnice dao ogroman doprinos. ipak, mislim da je "pravi" mister no onaj disov. ferrijevog vidimo samo u tom prvom broju i na 115 naslovnica, ali ipak su price ono sto cini svakog junaka. a u nekim meni najboljim pricama to je bio bignotijev i disov mister no, disu prednost jer crta naslovnice. meni su najbolje epizode: sukob u suton - grad zlocina - gangsteri - trka u smrt drama u zalivu vazdusni gusari prokleti most operacija posejdon mau-mau te ona epizoda kad zbog dzekija pobjegne u aspen, ali se ne sjecam kako se zove
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MAGIC
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Lebanon
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Posted - 26/03/2002 : 14:23:32
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Nijedan Bonellijev strip se ne može mjeriti s MN po pitanju kompleknosti karaktera, životnoj filozofiji i onog što je mene najviše oduševljavalo i još uvijek oduševljava, a to je razradenost svijeta u kojem živi i sporednih lica koje srece...
a Ken PArker?po mom misljenju to je najbolji,najrealisticniji i najkompleksniji karakter koji se pojavio u boneliju.
Cinema, simulated life, ill drama Fourth Reich culture - Americana Chained to the dream they got ya searchin for Tha thin line between entertainment and war
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Billy
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Croatia
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Posted - 26/03/2002 : 15:21:32
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Dobro, Bonelli baš nije imao neki utjecaj na KP, samo ga je jedno vrijeme izdavao a onda je Berardi poceo neovisno izdavati...
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Markos
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Croatia
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Posted - 26/03/2002 : 15:24:23
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A onda kad sjednete sa Disom za stol i pocnete raspravljati o Mister nou i onda vam on s nevjerojatnom strascu krene objasnjavati koliko je kompleksan taj svijet, koliko je to razradjeno i koliko su on i Bonelli unijeli sebe u taj strip, pocevsi od ljubavi prema Amazoniji i prirodi i prema zivotinjama (vjerojatno nitko od vas nije primjetio koliko ima nevjerojatno preciznih ilustracija zivotinja u Disovim stripovima) , preko ljubavi prema muzici 50-tih i jazzu, pa do ljubavi prema slobodi i zivotnoj filozofiji koju obojica dijele sa Mister Noom. I tu je razlog zasto je Diso najbolji Mister Noov crtac. Jer ga od svih ostalih najbolje osjeca. Jer je on dio njega.
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stripje
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Croatia
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Posted - 26/03/2002 : 18:21:20
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cuj,MARKOSE,nemoj sumnjati u ovo sto ti kazem..ali jesi tip za strijeljanje..zasto?' u nekim stvarima si spor...one teme i slike o brckom..a ovdje zelis biti gotovo svetac...mislis li da je fotografiranje dovoljno da bi mi sada trebali misliti nesto..oooooo..aaaaaaaa.....uuuuuuuu.... bez uvrede...mislim da bi bilo vrijeme da napustis odredene klanovske poglede na neke stvari..ipak smo mi ostali dio ovog sajta.. na kraju...ipak te moram pohvaliti za ovaj trud koji si i ovako ulozio..samo ljubitelji stripa to i mogu...nadam se da ces iduci put na vrijeme znati nesto bolje organizirati.. tako da ce i dojmovi biti sareniji..znas kako to izgleda kada je jednoumlje u pitanju..
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Markos
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Posted - 26/03/2002 : 18:55:20
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Ne kuzim sto hoces reci? Slike u Brckom nisam stavio jer ih jos nemam. Osim onog sto je poslao -dp- ali hocu staviti sve odjednom. Ove sam slikao sam, i imam ih kod sebe i zato sam stavio jednu dvije cisto da vidite... Svetac? Klanovski pogledi? Jednoumlje? Na vrijeme organizirati? Ja sam jako na vrijeme javio kad je sajam i da cu ici. Nitko osim tebe nije htio, a i ti si bio prilicno suzdrzan kad se AZ javio. Na kraju smo ja i AZ otisli. I on je na slici koju sam poslao prije. A ti se vrati na topic-dva prije pa odgovori na svoj post o tome kako cemo vidjeti slike iz Milana i tko je bio a tko nije, gdje si bezrazlozno napao AZ-a. Sto se mene tice, ja nisam nikome mama ni tata da bi ja sad morao nesto organizirati i nekoga voditi za ruku tamo. Ja sam odlucio ici, kupio kartu, skupio stvari i otisao. Vrlo jednostavno. Isto kao sto sam i napravio sajt. Na tom ce sajtu i izaci moja reportaza sa tog sajma i naravno da je ona moje osobno misljenje. To sto je jedina ne znaci da je to jednoumlje. Da je netko drugi isao, npr. ti, i poslao mi clanak, ja bi ga isto objavio. Pa bi onda imali dvoumlje. I jos jedna stvar. Ne da mi se citati izmedju redova. Ne da mi se pogadjati tvoj tok misli. Pa zar ne znate jasno napisati sto hocete? Cemu te iritante tri tocke iza svake, ali bas svake recenice. Onda bolje budi ko Kruger pa ne stavljaj nista!
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Billy
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Croatia
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Posted - 26/03/2002 : 21:35:33
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Mir, mir... I tako i tako se vidi da je to cista fotomontaža.   
He who loses control, loses.
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stripje
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Croatia
479 Posts
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Posted - 26/03/2002 : 23:03:17
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volim kada su ljudi malo razdrazljivi.ako reagiraju onda i sami shvate neke stvari.cemu te iritiraju tockice..... nisi li znao da su samo jaca oznaka kraja. ne mislim nista lose.AZ je diletantski ponudio suradnju.zato sam mu rekao da ide u rent a car.pa nemam ja svoje aute za to da ih drugi koriste.imam 3 auta i moglo je po dogovoru sve.doslovno sve.sto se tice onoga .iduci put.objasniti cu ti na mail.u svakom slucaju.nemoj biti razdrazljiv.i sam si rekao da neke stvari na forumu nisu dobre. jel moguce da ti kritike ne pasu?drugo,tvoj sajt,tvoje dvoriste.ali to pak ne znaci da kritiku treba zaobici.klanovi.daj molim te.rijec je o ljudima koji su oko tebe,,kad ti napadas..oni napadaju.kada si ti miran.oni miruju..cudno?cudna podudarnost.
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Kruger
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Croatia
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Posted - 27/03/2002 : 10:02:04
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Ja sam stvarno umoran od tog da je Diso dusa Mister Noa Ni blizu ( mozda on i Boneli tako zamisljaju i osjecaju ali nije tako a to pokazuje i publika ) Diso nema tu moc da dodjeli nekom dusu po crtanju nekazem po razmislajnju jer on tako mozda misli ali s svojim crtezom to nije pokazao ( Feri je u tom pogledu ipak predaleko ) steinbrenneru tebi se svijdaju dva razlicita crtaca Mister Noa sto znaci da ima ljudi kojim se svidja i jedan i drugi stil Mister Noa ( onaj Ferijev sto ga je dugo nosio Bignoti i onaj Disov sto ga je nametnuo sam Boneli i unistio Ferijev koji mu se vjerovatno nije svidjao )
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Darkwood Devil
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perper
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Serbia
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Posted - 27/03/2002 : 12:34:47
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Kruger uporno prica i pominje nekog Ferrijevog Mister Noa. Koji je to? Jedan unutar korica prvog broja i stotinak (vecinom ko u zurbi crtanih) na naslovnicama.Mister No je Diso i Bignotti. Oni su dali dusu Mister Noau. Zbog njih volim Mister Noa, a verujte u jednom trenutku zbog naslovnica (krivicom pomalo Ferrija, a pomalo Dnevnika) umalo da dignem ruke od njega.Ferri je za mene najbolji od svih odkad znam za sebe.Ali, Ferri je Zagor i ostace Zagor zauvek. Bignotti koji crta Zagora je za mene neprihvatljivo i te epizode Zagora su mi prilicno teske za gledanje, ali Bignotti koji crta Mister Noa je savrsen za taj posao, genijalan u nekom pogledu. Mozda je moja mana sto sam nostalgicar i povezujem stvari ovako: Zagor = Ferri i Donatelli; Mister No = Bignotti i Diso; Tex = Villa, Ticci, Fusco i Civitelli (dok ga je crtao pretezno Galep nisam ga ni citao ni voleo, a sad ga obozavam); Ken Parker = Milazzo i Trevisan; Martin Mystere je nesto sasvim drugacije, imam sasvim drugi pogled na ovaj strip, on je nesto posebno, on je PRICA; Dylan Dog je meni isto sto i Martin Mystere, samo su nijanse u pitanju.
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Markos
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Croatia
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Posted - 27/03/2002 : 13:34:14
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Stripje, oprosti ali zaista si jako nejasan u svojim postovima a te tri tockice jako iritiraju. Bar mene, ne znam za ostale, nek sami kazu. Kritiku podnosim jako dobro, hvala na pitanju, ali tvoju kritiku ne mogu ni razumjeti jer je tvoj nacin izrazavanja meni uglavnom tesko probavljiv. Sto se ostalih stvari tice, ne vidim na koji je nacin AZ bio neozbiljan? Sto, trebao je poslati faks ovjeren kod javnog biljeznika da bi bio ozbiljan? Trazio si vozaca i covjek se javio, a ti mu se onda podsmijavas? I tko je tu onda diletant? Pogotovo kad se vidi da je na kraju on bio, a ti nisi? A sto se tice moga "klana", mogu se samo nasmijati na to. Ali dobro, neka bude kako ti kazes, ako te to veseli.
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stripje
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Croatia
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Posted - 27/03/2002 : 14:26:38
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ne,MARKOSE,nemozes se nasmijati.znas li zasto'samo se lud covjek smije sam.a ti nisi lud.upravo sam AZ-u na BRCKO-raspravi,rekao nesto i to nebih ovdje ponavljao.no,jesi li uspio dobro procitati.nek drugi daju komentare na jasnocu.ja sam trazio jos jednog vozaca a ne samo vozaca.nadi bar jednog covjeka koji bi dao nekome da koristi auto i to pod takvim uvjetima.mislim,rijecima.nije mi cilj prepirati se sa tobom,reci ce netko da su starci prolupali.ajd da se mi prepucavamo oko vaznijih stvari.stripa i oko njega.ok. vidis da kritika vrijedi.smanjio sam one tockice.
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Kruger
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Croatia
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Posted - 27/03/2002 : 14:54:24
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E pa taj jedan Moster No od Ferija vrijedi kao tisuce Disovih ( nazalost ) Pa Bignoti je gurao Ferijev stil pa mozemo reci da se Ferijev duh prenosio preko Bignotija A Diso jednostavno nemoze dati dusu mister Nou kad nezna pravo ni lice nacrtati ( nisam mu ja kriv zato ) a to sto crta pejsaz dobro neznaci da je dao dusu liku
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Markos
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Croatia
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Posted - 27/03/2002 : 15:12:21
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E sad je bez tih tockica puno bolje. I dobro je da se prestanemo prepirati. Ja sam svakako za:-)
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Billy
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Croatia
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Posted - 27/03/2002 : 15:31:03
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Bignotti je gurao Ferrijev stil desetak brojeva, onda je došao Diso i Bignotti je prilagodio crtež novom šerifu u gradu. I dušu lika ne cine samo njegovo lice (koje kod Disa, ako ništa nije nalik Zagorovu) nego i izradenost okoline, a kod Ferrija je ta okolina vukla na zagorovski štih.
He who loses control, loses.
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steinbrenner
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Croatia
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Posted - 04/04/2002 : 16:32:02
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ne slazem se da se bignot prilagodio serifu, barem ja nijesam primijetio bignot je svoj covjek i mozda, da je imao srecu crtat naslovnice, bi on danas bio br. 1 za mister noa, ovako je to po meni diso uopce se ne mogu odlucit koji mi je bolji crtac, ako kazem jednog, bojim se da se drugi ne naljuti
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