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jgoran5
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Posted - 14/05/2003 : 22:31:20  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit jgoran5's Homepage  Send jgoran5 a Private Message
novi hermanov albun napokon u prodaji.
danas sam ga dobio i procitao.svida mi se mada je hermann po meni zeznuo u nekim detaljima kod crteža.vidi se da stari

prica:
glavni lik je policijski inspektor john koji istražuje ubojstva mladih djevojaka.unutap price postoji još jedna prica koja se dogada 20 godian ranije i glavni akter je takoder john.on kao mladic odlazi od kuce i na putu za las vegas susrece djevojku daisi koja je pobjegla od kuce i od svog ujaka koji ju je napastovao.na tom putu ukradu auto,ganja ih policija i daisin ujak i njihi+ova odiseja završava tragicno za daisy.

20 godina kasnije john je samac koji nema neki smisao u životu što se i vidi u njegovim razgovorima sa elvisom presleyem kojeg je zamislio kao neku svoju savjest ili nešto tako.u stvari on je jako nesretan covjek koji nikada nije uspio preboliti daisinu smrt i odbija od sebe sve žene koje mu pokušavaju uci u život.

ovo je moje videnje price,nemora biti da sam u pravu.zato tražim i vaša mišljenja ako ste pricitali album tj.kad procitate album



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Posted - 15/05/2003 : 00:39:47  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Kornboy a Private Message
Trebao bih ga dobiti ovih dana.

"Pull me into your perfect circle..."
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Renky
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Posted - 15/05/2003 : 01:34:02  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Renky's Homepage  Send Renky a Private Message
Jednostavna pricica ali filmski ispricana. Tri paralelne radnje. Sto stvarne sto imaginarne...meni OK.

Ne znan...ne stoji mi ona teza da je Hermann sto stariji to losiji.
Ili ja nisan prezahtjevan. Da je su price malo tanje nego sto su bile, to je, ali ipak ne toliko lose. U ostalom ovdje prvi put imam priliku viditi suradnju oca i sina ( Huppen ) pa im dajem vrimena ...

Ponavljam, ovaj album mi je sasvim OK. Preporuka s moje strane...
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Posted - 15/05/2003 : 01:36:04  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send ---dp--- a Private Message
Izgleda mi nekako nehermanovski... To me bas sad i intrigira
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miha
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Posted - 15/05/2003 : 03:37:04  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send miha a Private Message
Ko je ubio Daisy, gangsteri ili policajci?
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jgoran5
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Posted - 15/05/2003 : 06:21:28  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit jgoran5's Homepage  Send jgoran5 a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by miha

Ko je ubio Daisy, gangsteri ili policajci?



ubila se sama,nožic u trbušcic

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ante
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Posted - 15/05/2003 : 06:51:29  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send ante a Private Message
harakiri?

stop the america's politics
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seinfeld
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Posted - 15/05/2003 : 18:00:23  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send seinfeld a Private Message
SPOILER!!!!!
Goran je opisao glavnu radnju gore.
Ali nije prica u prici nego prica u prici u prici ;-)).John i njegov zivot u sadasnjosti + konstano podsjecanje na Daisy-jevo samoubistvo,osveta Daisyjevog sina i prica o prvom susretu izmedu njih dvoje prije dvadeset godina.
Ja se slazem da je Elvis neka vrsta John-ove savjesti ali se ne slazem da je bila sliovana...
Ja mislim da je njen ujak nije malestirao i da je to sve njena izmisljotina.Ona je psihicki nestabilna a glavni razlog po meni su njeni roditelji a ne ujak i to je hermann vrlo dobro prikazao...MB je mjesto koje ona zamislja kao raj mjesto gdje se osjeca sigurna.

I'm the hand up Mona Lisa's skirt. I'm a surprise. They don't see me coming: that's what you're missing.

Edited by - seinfeld on 15/05/2003 18:06:22
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Posted - 15/05/2003 : 18:01:45  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send seinfeld a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Renky

Jednostavna pricica ali filmski ispricana. Tri paralelne radnje. Sto stvarne sto imaginarne...meni OK.

Ponavljam, ovaj album mi je sasvim OK. Preporuka s moje strane...





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seinfeld
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Posted - 15/05/2003 : 18:02:14  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send seinfeld a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by jgoran5

quote:
Originally posted by miha

Ko je ubio Daisy, gangsteri ili policajci?



ubila se sama,nožic u trbušcic






Da nije presjekla vene?

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seinfeld
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Posted - 15/05/2003 : 18:07:23  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send seinfeld a Private Message
Btw jel ovaj album kod vas u boji.Nadam se da jeste ;-).

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zveles
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Posted - 15/05/2003 : 18:26:19  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send zveles a Private Message
Jes. Ali ima dosta flachbackova koji su sivi, ali bezprijekorno sivi. Mislim, bezprijekorno je odštampan. Kod Slovenaca.

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seinfeld
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Posted - 15/05/2003 : 18:28:48  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send seinfeld a Private Message
Super znaci nije kao XIII bw.Ti flashbackovi su cool meni je ovaj crtez za MB 1957 bolji od crteza kod novog Jeremiah...

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zveles
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Posted - 15/05/2003 : 18:35:27  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send zveles a Private Message
Zaboravio sam: i tvrdi je uvez; sve isto kao kod Jeremiah.

Odlicno mi je ovo filmo kadriranje u MB 1957, ono na pocetku kao da stvarno radi radio; pa prijelazi na flashbackove, pa korištenje crvene u zadnjem najdramaticnijem flachbacku. Ma, stari je stvarno majstor...

Crtež odlican. Puno godina nakon prvih brojeva Jeremiah, naravno da je promjenio tehniku kojom crta. Ali crtež je i dalje odlican!

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Posted - 15/05/2003 : 18:38:46  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send seinfeld a Private Message
Super trebamo se ugledat na Slovence ;-))!
Yes dobro si primjetio,crvena su dobro istice.Tako je Hermann je zakon!

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seinfeld
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Posted - 15/05/2003 : 20:22:07  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send seinfeld a Private Message


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jgoran5
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Posted - 15/05/2003 : 20:27:44  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit jgoran5's Homepage  Send jgoran5 a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by seinfeld

SPOILER!!!!!
Goran je opisao glavnu radnju gore.
Ali nije prica u prici nego prica u prici u prici ;-)).John i njegov zivot u sadasnjosti + konstano podsjecanje na Daisy-jevo samoubistvo,osveta Daisyjevog sina i prica o prvom susretu izmedu njih dvoje prije dvadeset godina.
Ja se slazem da je Elvis neka vrsta John-ove savjesti ali se ne slazem da je bila sliovana...
Ja mislim da je njen ujak nije malestirao i da je to sve njena izmisljotina.Ona je psihicki nestabilna a glavni razlog po meni su njeni roditelji a ne ujak i to je hermann vrlo dobro prikazao...MB je mjesto koje ona zamislja kao raj mjesto gdje se osjeca sigurna.

I'm the hand up Mona Lisa's skirt. I'm a surprise. They don't see me coming: that's what you're missing.




ma tri price su tako je,zaboravio sam spomenuti pricu sa daisynim sinom.ali ja sam stekao dojam po tome što ju tako opsesivno trži da se ona bez obzira što je psihicki labilna ipak ujaka jako boji.po tome mi je na prvo citanje odmah palo na pamet da je zlostavljana,ali na drugo,pogotovo kada se vidi da je ujak nakon 20 godina totalna ruševina od covjeka dolazi mi drugi razlog na pamet.i to je baš to što ti kažeš.daisy je nakon smrti roditelj pukla i njega zamislila kao glavnog krivca za smrt roditelja i za njen odlazak sa mb-a.

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jgoran5
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Posted - 15/05/2003 : 20:28:51  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit jgoran5's Homepage  Send jgoran5 a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by seinfeld

quote:
Originally posted by jgoran5

quote:
Originally posted by miha

Ko je ubio Daisy, gangsteri ili policajci?



ubila se sama,nožic u trbušcic






Da nije presjekla vene?

I'm the hand up Mona Lisa's skirt. I'm a surprise. They don't see me coming: that's what you're missing.




ma je ali ovo mi je taj tren bilo nekako zajebantski

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seinfeld
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Posted - 15/05/2003 : 20:38:18  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send seinfeld a Private Message
Volimo da pretjerujemo jel .


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jgoran5
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Posted - 15/05/2003 : 20:39:26  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit jgoran5's Homepage  Send jgoran5 a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by seinfeld

Volimo da pretjerujemo jel .


I'm the hand up Mona Lisa's skirt. I'm a surprise. They don't see me coming: that's what you're missing.






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seinfeld
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Posted - 15/05/2003 : 20:39:27  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send seinfeld a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by jgoran5

quote:
Originally posted by seinfeld

SPOILER!!!!!
Goran je opisao glavnu radnju gore.
Ali nije prica u prici nego prica u prici u prici ;-)).John i njegov zivot u sadasnjosti + konstano podsjecanje na Daisy-jevo samoubistvo,osveta Daisyjevog sina i prica o prvom susretu izmedu njih dvoje prije dvadeset godina.
Ja se slazem da je Elvis neka vrsta John-ove savjesti ali se ne slazem da je bila sliovana...
Ja mislim da je njen ujak nije malestirao i da je to sve njena izmisljotina.Ona je psihicki nestabilna a glavni razlog po meni su njeni roditelji a ne ujak i to je hermann vrlo dobro prikazao...MB je mjesto koje ona zamislja kao raj mjesto gdje se osjeca sigurna.

I'm the hand up Mona Lisa's skirt. I'm a surprise. They don't see me coming: that's what you're missing.




ma tri price su tako je,zaboravio sam spomenuti pricu sa daisynim sinom.ali ja sam stekao dojam po tome što ju tako opsesivno trži da se ona bez obzira što je psihicki labilna ipak ujaka jako boji.po tome mi je na prvo citanje odmah palo na pamet da je zlostavljana,ali na drugo,pogotovo kada se vidi da je ujak nakon 20 godina totalna ruševina od covjeka dolazi mi drugi razlog na pamet.i to je baš to što ti kažeš.daisy je nakon smrti roditelj pukla i njega zamislila kao glavnog krivca za smrt roditelja i za njen odlazak sa mb-a.

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Change Is Coming.
A New Breed Of Human Has Emerged.
They Are The Children Of The Atom,
Homo Superior.
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Bas me zanimaju i druga misljenja...
Ajde ljudi da rijesimo ovu misteriju + harakiri.

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Kakvu misteriju???
Cura je pukla!!! Da li zbog smrti roditelja ili neke druge traume ali mislim da je ujak nije napastvovao. Po meni, iskreno brinija za nju. Primjer, scena na onom otpadu. Za nekog tko je takva zivotinja i silovatelj prilicno je blago reagirao na njihov bijeg. Pokusao je dozivanjem uvjeriti necakinju da se vrati doma. To mi djeluje vise roditeljski nego silovateljski.

E sad da je Manhattan Beach personifikacija raja...
Sigurno da je MB mjesto koje je u njenoj podsvijesti drugo ime za sigurnost i bezbriznost, ipak je tamo provela djetinjstvo. A virujte mi na ric, onakve scene mora, neba, galebova...se ne zaboravljaju tako lako.
U stvari Seinfelda nisam bas dobro razumija po pitanju MB. On nije izmisljen a dokaz je slika iz turistickog prospekta na ormaricu u kancelariji na pocetku.

Da, crvena boja je odlicno ubacena. Tijekom cile radnje malo crveno
srce koje je gotovo uvik u kontrastu sa ostalim tonovima.
Ali, veliko ali...ajmo malo filozofije. E je li to boja nastala rasprsnucem srca koje je stisnuo u saku prilikom hapsenja, da li se raspuklo njegovo srce smrcu voljene osobe, da li je to crvena boja Daisyne krvi, ili je to krv gubitka nevinosti. Zasto ne, ako pretpostavimo da je ujak nije napastvovao sasvim je moguce da je ona sama odabrala kad i s kim ce izgubiti nevinost. Ipak je to sredina proslog stoljeca. Na te stvari se gledalo ( puno ) drugacije.

I na kraju sto se tice tiskare i Jeremiah se radi u Sloveniji. Mislim u Kopru. Tiskara je ista tako da ne vidim nekih razlika u kvaliteti. Prema mojim informacijama tu se rade albumi i za ostala trzista. Tako SAF ima kontrolu kvalitete.

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Kasno je, renky dobro si razmislio o temi, sutra cu da odgovorim sada idem da spavam.
Dobra tema s tim srcetom!!


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I ja pokušavao da svrstim negde taj strip (koji nisam citao), tamo negde
izmedu western i eastern žanra. Više li je drama nego akcija? Komedija
ili tragedija? Harkiri ili likvidacija junakinje itd? Je li Herman za strip
što je bio Dostojevski za knjigu? Meni je samo bitno da li su Daisy koknuli
gangsteri ili policajci. Ako su je gangsteri - tragedija, ako policaji - pravda.
Cujem riknula se sama - bezveze. Onda i nije ona junakinja nego mora da je to
onaj John (opisan kao vrlo nesretan covek). Bluz. I paralela sa stvarnošcu -
je li strip samo fikcija? Paranoja. Onda rece Renky "E sad da je Manhattan Beach
personifikacija raja... ". Pomislim: Manhattan Bitch! A crvena boja koja se
pojavljuje (eh taj simbolizam): pa krv (nije voda).

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Posted - 16/05/2003 : 10:08:11  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send seinfeld a Private Message
Lijepo je imati misljenje o stripu kojeg nisi ni otvorio.


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Meni se cini jako interesantno... ali, sta vredi kad ga nemam
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