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cat claw
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Posted - 28/04/2010 : 14:13:38
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quote: [i]Originally posted by delboj Nije ruka tako nastala
Ali veliki broj riječi je zaista nastao na sličan način, došlo je do metateze i duženja vokala
Nije bas tako ali jeste tako nekako. Upamtio sam da je krenulo od armka a ovo izmedju sam malo improvizovao. Naravno, to sto sam ja negde procitao, uopste ne znaci i da je tacno. Uzgred, mrzim odgovore tipa ''nije tako nastalo'' i onda tisina. Obavezno onda moram da pitam ''a kako je nastalo'', radi sopstvenog mira. |
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delboj
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Posted - 28/04/2010 : 15:50:35
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Jedino što znam je da je praslovenski oblik ronka i od tog nazala je fonetskim putem nastalo u, a da je pretpostavljeni oblik bio isti i u praindoevropskom i da je ruka značila skupljačica. Nigdje nisam naišao na ovaj primjer da je u tom obliku došlo do metateze i duženja vokala, niti vidim kako bi moglo da dođe do metateze u grupi ar, kad je do tog dolazilo samo u grupama ort, olt, tert i telt 
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cat claw
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Posted - 28/04/2010 : 19:02:26
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Pa i nije... Naravno da je sad nemoguce da se setim gde sam procitao, a kamoli da nadjem na netu, no, ukratko, radilo se o tvrdnji da latinsko poreklo engleske reci arm i nasa ruka imaju zajednicko indijsko poreklo. Zato sam i zapamtio. E, sad, postoji mogucnost da clanak spada u one teze da su srbi narod najstariji i da sam odmah zaboravio tezu ali mi je ilustracija ostala u glavi. Mislim da ti imas nacina da to proveris kod nekog kolege. Bas me zanima, zato sto u tvom odgovoru osecam mali prizvuk dogme koja ne dozvoljava nista van utvrdjenog. |
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delboj
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Posted - 28/04/2010 : 20:18:59
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Pokušaću da potražim još malo, ali zaista se ne sjećam toga. A baš i nemam nekog kolegu kod kog bi mogao da provjerim, većina koleginica je isključivo zainteresovana za književnost, jezik malo koga zanima . A do univerzitetskih profesora je teško doći
Nema nikakve dogme, jednostavno mi nije poznat taj primjer.
Znam da je korijen riječi kćer i daughter isti, ima još takvih primjera, ali ovog se ne sjećam. |
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cat claw
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Posted - 28/04/2010 : 20:35:03
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Ja sam se krivo izrazio. Nisam mislio na dogmu, vise sam mislio na osecaj zadovoljstva konstatovanim. Pih, ubismo temu ovim ozbiljnim stvarima.  |
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delboj
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Posted - 28/04/2010 : 21:36:31
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quote: Originally posted by cat claw
Ja sam se krivo izrazio. Nisam mislio na dogmu, vise sam mislio na osecaj zadovoljstva konstatovanim. Pih, ubismo temu ovim ozbiljnim stvarima. 
Pa nisam mislio da će to tako izgledati
Malo sam pregledao neke knjige, nisam uspio da pronađem nešto o ovom primjeru. |
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Stari borac
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Posted - 28/04/2010 : 21:38:14
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Nego što, mi smo ozbiljno društvo! Prema Gluhakovu etimološkom rječniku praslavensko "ronka" je nastalo od indoeuropskog glagola u značenju "skupljati" koji se nije sačuvao, a imao je korijen "*wronk-". Ruka je, dakle, ono što sabire, skuplja. Iz istog je dalekog korijena i današnji glagol "vrtjeti". Dakle: "*wronk-" - "ronk-"; nema ništa o "armka". |
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cat claw
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Stari borac
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Posted - 28/04/2010 : 21:51:07
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Ma nitko ne misli da si to izmislio. Pitanje je samo koliko je pouzdan taj podatak, gdje si ga pročitao. Ljudi se jako vole igrati etimologije jer je to zanimljivo. |
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cat claw
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delboj
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Posted - 29/04/2010 : 10:12:41
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Hvala na objašnjenju. Etimologija mnogih riječi uopšte nije poznata, a često ima više različitih objašnjenja od kojih nijedno ne mora da bude tačno. |
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King Warrior
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Beva
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Stari borac
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Posted - 05/05/2010 : 21:42:12
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Razlika je nastala zato što su te riječi u hrvatski došle iz latinskog, a u srpski iz francuskog. Iz istog razloga je u hrvatskom ofenzivan/defenzivan, a u srpskom ofanzivan/defanzivan. |
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split85
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delboj
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Bob Rok
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Posted - 07/05/2010 : 14:45:00
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Mozda je i bilo... Zasto "djavao", a ne "djavo"?  |
Ja se zovem El-Muhammed, iz plemena starih Azra, sto za ljubav zivot gube i umiru kada ljube. |
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cat claw
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Posted - 07/05/2010 : 23:19:58
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Zbog genitiva, Djavla i Djavola. Ovo bih kao metalac morao da znam, a nemam pojma. Pada mi na pamet čavao koji nema parnjaka kao čavo. Valjda zato i upotrebljavamo ekser
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Emir Pasanovic
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Posted - 07/05/2010 : 23:23:51
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quote: Originally posted by Bob Rok
Mozda je i bilo... Zasto "djavao", a ne "djavo"? 
Kako gdje - u Sarajevu te đavo i vrag nose.  |
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Grujah.
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Posted - 08/05/2010 : 17:41:45
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Ja imam pitanje. Na primer, film (ili knjiga, strip) ima 3 dela. Da li je drugi deo "prvi nastavak" ili "drugi nastavak" ? Tj. da li se nastavci "broje" od prvog ili od drugog dela? |
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Darth Ivan
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Posted - 09/05/2010 : 13:59:31
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quote: Originally posted by Grujah.
Ja imam pitanje. Na primer, film (ili knjiga, strip) ima 3 dela. Da li je drugi deo "prvi nastavak" ili "drugi nastavak" ? Tj. da li se nastavci "broje" od prvog ili od drugog dela?
pa ovaj drugi dio bi po meni trebao bit PRVI nastavak. pao mi je na pamet film ralje npr. ralje 2 su prvi nastavak, ralje 3 drugi etc. |
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cat claw
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Posted - 09/05/2010 : 14:58:42
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Odlucite se prvo... Knjiga iz tri dela (Vinetu, Tri Musketara, jadnici itd) su knjige iz tri dela, dakle nema nastavaka. Ajkula 2 jeste prvi nastavak, ali se tretira kao samosvojna, zato i jeste Ajkula 2. Mozemo reci da Indijana Dzons ima tri nastavka ili cetiri dela. Cesce mislimo na delove, tako da niko nece reci za ''Poslednje krstasenje'' Indijana drugi nastavak, nego jednostavno Indijana 3. |
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Renky
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Posted - 09/05/2010 : 15:15:22
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
nisam znao da se na hrvatskom pise "aktuAlan" umjesto aktuelan.
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"Zlocin je spomenuti reci "velikani" i "umetnost" u kontekstu sa Zagorom, veruj mi..." - Manhunter |
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cat claw
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Darth Ivan
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Posted - 10/05/2010 : 19:17:16
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a mene jedna stvar zanima. koja je rečenica od ovih točno napisana?
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