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paro
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Posted - 09/12/2010 : 12:23:52
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Eto neki dan upao u diskusiju, pa me zanima vaše mišljenje. Uglavnom, fotografija, meni osobno, ako je nekad i bila umjetnost, to danas definitivno više nije. Uz svu digitalnu tehnologiju, svaka budala koja ima par somova eura da kupi zvijer od aparata, može postati fotograf. To za mene nije umjetnost, nego lov na trenutak, ništa više, ništa manje. Lov na trenutak, to je sve. Danas netko 3 puta izoštri sliku, opali 300 fotki od kojih izabere 3 najbolje i to je to. Nažalost, možda jesam zadrt, ali meni je fotografija čista prostitucija, ni blizu umjetnosti. A moram se štreberski pozvat i na službenu podjelu. Strip je 9. umjetnost, a di je fotografija u toj priči? O Feliniju i Paparazzu mi se neda baljezgat. Netko će reć: Ako je film umjetnost, onda se podrazumijeca da je i fotografija. Ja na to kažem: Violina koju nitko ne svira je samo violina, a ne umjetnost. Ne želim da me se krivo shvati, i ja volim pogledat lijepe fotke ko i svako drugi ali....
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azra x.
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Posted - 09/12/2010 : 13:03:24
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Fotografija jeste umetnosti kada sadrzi odredjene umetnicke elemente(odnos povrsina i boja,odnos svetlo-tamnog,valeri,atmosfera,kompozicija,perspektiva,kadriranje,planovi...),otprilike isto sto treba da sadrzi i ubedljiv crtez ili slika,nije to samo stvar tehnologije. Jeste da je to lakse postici danasnjom digitalnom tehnologijom i skupim aparatima,ali je opet potrebno poznavanje,promisljanje,i osecaj za gore navedene elemente da bi se napravila umetnicka fotografija. I taj,kako kazes,"Lov na trenutak" ne mora da umanjuje smisao fotografije. Zavisi koji trenutak se "lovi". Ulovljeni trenutak moze da skrene paznju na neku bitnu stvar,moze i da ima psiholoski efekat na posmatraca,kao i bilo koje umetnicko delo. Neko bi mozda na isti trenutak potrosio hiljadu reci,pa bismo ga smatrali velikim pesnikom. :) |
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paro
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Posted - 09/12/2010 : 14:06:46
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quote: Originally posted by azra x.
Fotografija jeste umetnosti kada sadrzi odredjene umetnicke elemente(odnos povrsina i boja,odnos svetlo-tamnog,valeri,atmosfera,kompozicija,perspektiva,kadriranje,planovi...),otprilike isto sto treba da sadrzi i ubedljiv crtez ili slika,nije to samo stvar tehnologije. Jeste da je to lakse postici danasnjom digitalnom tehnologijom i skupim aparatima,ali je opet potrebno poznavanje,promisljanje,i osecaj za gore navedene elemente da bi se napravila umetnicka fotografija. I taj,kako kazes,"Lov na trenutak" ne mora da umanjuje smisao fotografije. Zavisi koji trenutak se "lovi". Ulovljeni trenutak moze da skrene paznju na neku bitnu stvar,moze i da ima psiholoski efekat na posmatraca,kao i bilo koje umetnicko delo. Neko bi mozda na isti trenutak potrosio hiljadu reci,pa bismo ga smatrali velikim pesnikom. :)
Hmmmm....da pojednostavim, nadam se da ćeš me razumjet....znači istu vrijednost ima npr. nešto što je azra vlastoručno naslikala i nešto što je azra dobila stisnuvši dugme na aparatu. Znači stvar je u načinu kako je nastalo neko pravo umjetničko djelo. A dobro sad, psihološki efekat može imat krepana mačka na cesti ili recimo da te Sneaksie preplaši u mraku Samo da ne završimo na definiranju umjetnosti, jer je sam život umjetnost tako da... |
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paro
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Posted - 09/12/2010 : 14:09:55
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quote: Originally posted by azra x.
Fotografija jeste umetnosti kada sadrzi odredjene umetnicke elemente(odnos povrsina i boja,odnos svetlo-tamnog,valeri,atmosfera,kompozicija,perspektiva,kadriranje,planovi...)
S ovim se slažem, ali ti određeni umjetnički elementi su dobiveni...kako da se izrazim...linijom manjeg otpora. Fotografija je na jedan način isto što i offset-tisak reprodukcija neke slike.... |
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
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azra x.
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Posted - 09/12/2010 : 14:41:55
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Razumem ja to sto ti pricas,ali jbg to je savremeno doba,razvila su se sredstva kojima dolazi do odredjenih ciljeva 'linijom manjeg otpora',bilo o umetnosti bilo u cemu drugom. I naucnici danas dolaze do rezultata na mnogo laksi nacin nego ranije. I ovaj nacin na koji mi komuniciramo je 'linijom manjeg otpora'. Mogli bismo i danas dugo da biramo hartiju,mastilo i kovertu,lepimo markice i cekamo ko zna koliko na odgovor.Ali opet,cemu to kada ovo iziskuje manje vremena i truda. Kada bih ja u recimo 16.-17. veku realisticno naslikala npr. neku vojsku kako opseda grad to bi imalo smisla jer bi to bio jedini nacin da ovekovecim taj trenutak. A ko bi danas bio lud da to radi kada se to moze prikazati i stiskom dugmeta na aparat. Pol Gogen je jos krajem 19. veka postavio pitanje ima li slikarstvo smisla nakon pojave fotografije. Onda je usledila revolucija u umetnosti,masa novih pokreta,pravaca i ideologija,ali izgleda da je danas tradicionalna umetnost iscrpljena i sto se tice tema i tehnika. Moze da sluzi dekoraciji i nicemu drugom.Jednostavno,thats the way it goes. Tradicionalne predstave o umetnickoj vrednosti moraju ustupiti mesto novim,za danasnje vreme revolucionarnim,ma koliko nekima od nas one izgledale dehumanizovano i odbojno.
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paro
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Posted - 09/12/2010 : 15:46:57
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A šta ja mogu kad sam staromodni tradicionalista   |
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Guffy
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REJS
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Posted - 02/02/2011 : 22:31:17
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Umetnost i to vrhunska,ako covek ima osecaja za ono sto radi moze cuda napraviti.Vidjao sam par puta kod nekih drugara fotografije koje su me obarale sa nogu.Obicno je to bio obican pogled tuznog prolaznika ili suton ispod nekog mosta.Digitalne aparate imam oko 7 godina,a tek sam skoro saznao koliko malo znam o fotografisanju i malim trikovima uopste.Covek se uci dok je ziv. |
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culfis
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Posted - 03/02/2011 : 22:01:07
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Trenutno, sledeće umetnosti se računaju kao lepe umetnosti: Prvih šest su arhitektura, ples, vajarstvo, muzika, slikarstvo i književnost, podela koja je preuzeta od stare Grčke. Sedma umetnost je film. Osma umetnost je fotografija, iako se ponekad definiše kao deo slikarstva. Deveta umetnost je strip, iako se ponekad definiše kao prelaz između slikarstva i filma.
Neki na ovu listu proširuju televizijom, modom, reklamama ili video igrama.
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REJS
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Posted - 04/02/2011 : 10:30:57
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Da to je tacno merila vrednosti se menjaju.ja priznajem samo ovih 9 umetnosti.ipak su to proverene vrednosti.Dan kada se pljuvanje po zidu bude nazivala umetnost i kada je vecina bude priznala,znacice da je vecina muske populacije presla iz davaoce u primaoce. Spodobe kao Edi Vorhol i slicni njemu tada ce se izucavati na fakultetima ako ih i bude bilo u buducnosti. |
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azra x.
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Posted - 05/02/2011 : 22:52:14
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Proucava se Vorhol,jos kako, ja sam cak i seminarski morala da pisem o njemu. A ne studiram medicinu. |
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azra x.
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Posted - 06/02/2011 : 13:37:13
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quote: Originally posted by Grujah.
Kod mene na faksu se Vorhol vala ne izucava. I nece.
Kod tebe se izucava pomocnik Martija Misterije... |
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Posted - 07/02/2011 : 16:30:44
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Generalno,jeste umjetnost.mada je ista stvar sa fotografijom kao sa stripovima,filmovima...ne mozes svaku fotografiju nazivati umjetnoscu,a bogami ni svaki strip ni film.onda bi na facebooku bilo umjetnika koliko oces,u svim pozama.
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Posted - 26/01/2013 : 18:06:40
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quote: Originally posted by paro
Eto neki dan upao u diskusiju, pa me zanima vaše mišljenje. Uglavnom, fotografija, meni osobno, ako je nekad i bila umjetnost, to danas definitivno više nije. Uz svu digitalnu tehnologiju, svaka budala koja ima par somova eura da kupi zvijer od aparata, može postati fotograf. To za mene nije umjetnost, nego lov na trenutak, ništa više, ništa manje. Lov na trenutak, to je sve. Danas netko 3 puta izoštri sliku, opali 300 fotki od kojih izabere 3 najbolje i to je to. Nažalost, možda jesam zadrt, ali meni je fotografija čista prostitucija, ni blizu umjetnosti. A moram se štreberski pozvat i na službenu podjelu. Strip je 9. umjetnost, a di je fotografija u toj priči? O Feliniju i Paparazzu mi se neda baljezgat. Netko će reć: Ako je film umjetnost, onda se podrazumijeca da je i fotografija. Ja na to kažem: Violina koju nitko ne svira je samo violina, a ne umjetnost. Ne želim da me se krivo shvati, i ja volim pogledat lijepe fotke ko i svako drugi ali....
Ja kao da radim u reciklaznom dvoristu..recikliram, ne otpad, ali topice odbacene 
Fotigrafija, umjetnost, ili ne... ajmo ovdje pokazati kako smo neki trenutak u vremenu zaustavili nasim foticima, bili oni dio skupocjene opreme, ili obicni digitalni, za po doma..
Svatko ima neki trenutak, koji zeli mozda podijeliti sa forumom...
Ja bih rado za pocetak svoju fotku, koja me nebrojeno puta rasplakala.. prizvala u meni toliku njeznost, sjecanje na moju baku..djetinjstvo..i gotovo osjetih miris dunje s bakina ormara.. 

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Posted - 27/01/2013 : 11:02:46
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da, lijepa je ova slika s bakicom. Nego di je to slikano? Vidim tramvajsku prugu ali takve u ZG nema a opet možda pruga i nije tramvajska...registracije su mutne ali čini mi se da su naše (makar i Makedonci imaju slične) Uglavnom, di je to? |
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Posted - 27/01/2013 : 12:49:19
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Ovakva pruga nije kod Frankopanske. Čak mi se čini da je to pruga od vlaka što bi značilo da može biti negdje u Rijeci kod luke. a i zelena boja zgrade je čudna. Ne znam nijednu takvu u ZG u starom dijelu grada. |
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