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brni
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dsormaz1
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Obojica se varate ako mislite da je Henry puška bila prva koja je mogla ispaliti više metaka odjednom. Još u drugoj polovici 30-ih godina 19. stoljeća, nakon što se 1836. pojavio Colt-Patterson revolver, konstruiran je Colt-Patterson karabin. Između 1838. i 1841. proizvedeno ih je oko 950 komada, to oružje moglo je ispaliti 6 hitaca prije novog punjenja. Prvi put je upotrijebljeno u Drugom seminolskom ratu (1835.-42.), točnije u ožujku 1838. godine 50 komada tog oružja stiže u 1.dragunsku pukovniju. Unutar te postrojbe ubrzo je formiran poseban vod strijelaca naoružanih tim oružjem.
Colt -Patterson karabin
Pripadnik 1.dragunske pukovnije za vrijeme 2.seminolskog rata (1835.-42.)
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dsormaz1
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Posted - 17/09/2012 : 21:36:19
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Originally posted by brni
Jedva cekam da dode epizoda sa Wyattom Earpom i obracun kod O.K. Corrala..tu cu napisat jedan roman..
Načekat ćemo se dok to izađe. |
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brni
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Posted - 17/09/2012 : 21:43:34
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| meni je ovaj razvoj oruzja fascinantan..cita sam negdi da su Indijanci trgovinom dobili ove Henrijevke i naletili su na odred Jenkija koji je ima ove klasicne sa jednim metkom..malo je rec da su ih pomeli.. |
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dsormaz1
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Posted - 17/09/2012 : 21:48:15
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meni je ovaj razvoj oruzja fascinantan..cita sam negdi da su Indijanci trgovinom dobili ove Henrijevke i naletili su na odred Jenkija koji je ima ove klasicne sa jednim metkom..malo je rec da su ih pomeli..
Što se tiče puške na prethodnoj stranici, koju si detaljno opisao, moguće da je u stripu nacrtana po nekom predlošku puške iz tog vremena, a da sami autori nisu znali sve one detalje, npr.koliko hitaca može ispaliti... |
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brni
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Posted - 17/09/2012 : 21:52:08
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u stvari evo cile price..radi se upravo o Litte Bighorn..
"The Fetterman Massacre of December 21, 1866 also saw Henrys used. Captain William Fetterman having recently arrived in the West, made a comment that if he had 80 men he could cut through the Sioux nation. In December, 1866 the Sioux Indians lead by Chief Red Cloud were attacking the army's wood cutting details. On December 21, 1866 the wood train left at 10:00 AM and by 11:00 AM it was under attack by Indians. Captain Fetterman went out to rescue the detail. Fetterman had 76 men. 48 of these were infantry, armed with muzzle loading rifles and 27 cavalry were armed with the Spencer carbine. The cavalry were commanded by Lieutenant Grummon. Two others volunteered making 78. Finally there were 2 civilians that wanted to go, James Wheatly and Issac Fisher. Both of these men were armed with Henrys. So Fetterman had his 80 men. They were decoyed into a trap where 2,000 Sioux were waiting for them. Wheatly and Fisher must have put up a good fight with their Henrys. Around the area where they were fighting were indications of over 60 Indians who had been hit.When their ammunition ran out, both were killed and their Henrys ended up in the hands of the Indians to be used against the cavalry another day.
That other day could have been at the Little Bighorn Massacre. There has been much speculation that if Custer would have been armed with his old Spencer carbines he might have escaped with some of his men or even defeated the Sioux. In 1873 the military adopted the .45-70 Trapdoor Springfield. They chose it because of it's greater range and power over the Spencer. In an article by George Lyman for Dixie Gun Works 1989 Annual, he feels the Spencer would not have made a difference because it had a slower rate of fire than the Springfield. The rate of fire, according to his tests, for the Spencer was 14 per minute and for the Trapdoor Springfield 16 per minute. I happen to disagree with his figure for the Spencer. It is closer to 22 per minute using a Blakeslee cartridge box. But let's speculate from the Henry perspective. What if Custer and his entire command were armed with Henry repeating rifles and the "McKinch Box." The Henry is capable of firing 45 shots per minute. Custer's group numbered a total of 600 men, before he split his force. At a rate of 45 shots per minute, that equals 27,000 rounds of ammunition per minute to be fired at 1,200 to 1,500 Indians. I think the Henry would have made a difference. So much for the "what if" questions.
Custer's reality was that he was armed with the Trapdoor Springfield and many of the Indians had the Henrys. On the recent excavation at the Little Bighorn, there is evidence to show the Indians were armed with over 100 Henrys or Winchester Model 1866 rifles. One hill the Indians were shooting from had so many Henry casings that it was nicknamed "Henry Hill." All of these were aimed at Custer and his men with their Trapdoor Springfields. The Trapdoor Springfields were adopted for their power and greater range, but the common soldier did not any target practice. In one battle the soldiers fired over 30,000 rounds of ammunition only to kill 9 Indians. There are very few instances where the greater range of the Springfields saved the soldier's lives. In fact it took the government until 1893 to adopt a repeating rifle, the .30-40 Krag." |
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brni
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Posted - 17/09/2012 : 21:53:03
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Originally posted by brni
meni je ovaj razvoj oruzja fascinantan..cita sam negdi da su Indijanci trgovinom dobili ove Henrijevke i naletili su na odred Jenkija koji je ima ove klasicne sa jednim metkom..malo je rec da su ih pomeli..
Što se tiče puške na prethodnoj stranici, koju si detaljno opisao, moguće da je u stripu nacrtana po nekom predlošku puške iz tog vremena, a da sami autori nisu znali sve one detalje, npr.koliko hitaca može ispaliti...
vjerovatno da..vidim da u samom stripu ima vise inacica..uglavnom nisu toliko pozornosti pridavali detaljima.. |
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brni
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Posted - 17/09/2012 : 21:55:13
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| uglavnom mozemo zakljuciti da je puska Henry utjecala na ishod bitke kod Little Bighorna.. |
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brni
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Posted - 17/09/2012 : 22:04:56
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Originally posted by dsormaz1
Obojica se varate ako mislite da je Henry puška bila prva koja je mogla ispaliti više metaka odjednom. Još u drugoj polovici 30-ih godina 19. stoljeća, nakon što se 1836. pojavio Colt-Patterson revolver, konstruiran je Colt-Patterson karabin. Između 1838. i 1841. proizvedeno ih je oko 950 komada, to oružje moglo je ispaliti 6 hitaca prije novog punjenja. Prvi put je upotrijebljeno u Drugom seminolskom ratu (1835.-42.), točnije u ožujku 1838. godine 50 komada tog oružja stiže u 1.dragunsku pukovniju. Unutar te postrojbe ubrzo je formiran poseban vod strijelaca naoružanih tim oružjem.
Colt -Patterson karabin
di si ovu iskopa majke ti.. |
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dsormaz1
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Posted - 17/09/2012 : 22:13:51
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uglavnom mozemo zakljuciti da je puska Henry utjecala na ishod bitke kod Little Bighorna..
Zanimljivi podaci.
Iako nisam siguran da je baš ta puška utjecala na ishod bitke. Prije su na to utjecali neki Custerovi potezi i neke druge okolnosti. Ali o tome možemo detaljnije kad izađe epizoda koja obrađuje tu temu, ne trčimo pred rudo ;) |
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brni
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Posted - 17/09/2012 : 22:17:28
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Originally posted by brni
uglavnom mozemo zakljuciti da je puska Henry utjecala na ishod bitke kod Little Bighorna..
Zanimljivi podaci.
Iako nisam siguran da je baš ta puška utjecala na ishod bitke. Prije su na to utjecali neki Custerovi potezi i neke druge okolnosti. Ali o tome možemo detaljnije kad izađe epizoda koja obrađuje tu temu, ne trčimo pred rudo ;)
ma slazem se..takticki je Custer to lose "odigra"..ali cinjenica stoji da nije isto pucati 16-20 metaka po minuti ili 45 metaka..ali imas pravo sacekajmo epizodu pa cemo detaljnije.. |
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dsormaz1
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Posted - 17/09/2012 : 22:29:52
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Originally posted by brni
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Originally posted by dsormaz1
Obojica se varate ako mislite da je Henry puška bila prva koja je mogla ispaliti više metaka odjednom. Još u drugoj polovici 30-ih godina 19. stoljeća, nakon što se 1836. pojavio Colt-Patterson revolver, konstruiran je Colt-Patterson karabin. Između 1838. i 1841. proizvedeno ih je oko 950 komada, to oružje moglo je ispaliti 6 hitaca prije novog punjenja. Prvi put je upotrijebljeno u Drugom seminolskom ratu (1835.-42.), točnije u ožujku 1838. godine 50 komada tog oružja stiže u 1.dragunsku pukovniju. Unutar te postrojbe ubrzo je formiran poseban vod strijelaca naoružanih tim oružjem.
Colt -Patterson karabin
di si ovu iskopa majke ti..
Imaš razne literature. Npr. "The Seminole Wars 1818-58" ili
iz knjige "The Texan Army 1836-45" -marinac teksaške vojske u vrijeme dok je Texas bio nezavisna republika
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brni
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Posted - 17/09/2012 : 22:37:56
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Obracun kod O.K. Corrala 71 epizoda a Little Bighorn 60..pa ko to more docekat.. |
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pravedni
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Posted - 18/09/2012 : 18:44:54
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Danas sam na poklon dobio jednu vanredno retku knjigu - prvo izdanje "Čiča Tomine kolibe‚" od Herijete Bičer Stou. Radi se o PRVOM IZDANJU NA SRPSKOM JEZIKU iz 1853.godine. S obzirom da je prvo američko izdanje izašlo iz štampe 1852.godine,ispada da je srpsko izdanje bilo medju prvima u svetu! Knjigu je preveo Milan D. Rašić,a njen podnaslov glasi "Život crnaca u severo-amerikanskim robskim državama". Štampana je u Beču,u štampariji Jermenskog manastira,gde su štampana i mnoga dela Vuka Karadžića. Na prvoj unutrašnjoj strani je štampana jedna poznata rečenica: "Bolje grob,nego rob"!
Ova knjiga je nadahnula mnoge slobodoumne duhove u USA da ustanu protiv ropstva kao institucije,a zbog svoje snage i dramatike ubrzo postaje "bestseler" i jedna od najuticajnijih knjiga ob javljenih u Sjedinjenim Državama tokom 19.veka/stoleća...Ona postaje prava "Biblija" pokreta Abolicionista.
Možeš li staviti sken naslovnice te knjige?
Stavljam uskoro,kada fotografišem...
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bjelolasica
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pravedni
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dsormaz1
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Posted - 18/09/2012 : 20:44:39
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Do sada su objavili 14 brojeva pa još 46 mjeseca i broj 60 je tu.
A do tada tko živ tko mrtav...ako uopće i nastave s objavljivanjem.
Ako prekinu morat ćemo ovdje analizirati ona piratska izdanja ili LMS i ZS. To nam može biti alternativa, u slučaju da Strip agent s vremenom prestane s izdavanjem PSDZ. |
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teller
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Posted - 19/09/2012 : 10:20:15
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Originally posted by bjelolasica
Do sada su objavili 14 brojeva pa još 46 mjeseca i broj 60 je tu.
A do tada tko živ tko mrtav...ako uopće i nastave s objavljivanjem.
Ako prekinu morat ćemo ovdje analizirati ona piratska izdanja ili LMS i ZS. To nam može biti alternativa, u slučaju da Strip agent s vremenom prestane s izdavanjem PSDZ.
 to sigurno neče, ako prodaja padne, evo 500 komada u striparnicama...ku..ku daleko bilo... taj serijal po prirodi stvari
MORA NA KIOSKE!
ja dupliram kolekciju, jer su PSDZ toga vrijedne!
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CITAJTE TELLERA,... DA BI POSTALI BOLJI LJUDI!
STRIP JUNAK KOJI UCI POŠTENJU I PRAVDI!
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dsormaz1
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Posted - 19/09/2012 : 10:41:47
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Originally posted by dsormaz1
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Originally posted by bjelolasica
Do sada su objavili 14 brojeva pa još 46 mjeseca i broj 60 je tu.
A do tada tko živ tko mrtav...ako uopće i nastave s objavljivanjem.
Ako prekinu morat ćemo ovdje analizirati ona piratska izdanja ili LMS i ZS. To nam može biti alternativa, u slučaju da Strip agent s vremenom prestane s izdavanjem PSDZ.
to sigurno neče, ako prodaja padne, evo 500 komada u striparnicama...ku..ku daleko bilo...taj serijal po prirodi stvari
MORA NA KIOSKE!
ja dupliram kolekciju, jer su PSDZ toga vrijedne!
Ako se ne varam smanjili su nakladu što bi mogao biti loš predznak, a i ova kriza neće tako brzo proći.
Ali iskreno se nadam da si u pravu, tj. da će ipak izdržati do kraja.
Ja imam sve one piratske PSDZ i 30-ak iz LMS i ZS, a naravno skupljam i ovo, ipak do sad najbolje izdanje koje vrijedi imati u kolekciji. |
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pravedni
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Posted - 22/09/2012 : 15:40:19
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Originally posted by teller
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Originally posted by dsormaz1
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Originally posted by bjelolasica
Do sada su objavili 14 brojeva pa još 46 mjeseca i broj 60 je tu.
A do tada tko živ tko mrtav...ako uopće i nastave s objavljivanjem.
Ako prekinu morat ćemo ovdje analizirati ona piratska izdanja ili LMS i ZS. To nam može biti alternativa, u slučaju da Strip agent s vremenom prestane s izdavanjem PSDZ.
to sigurno neče, ako prodaja padne, evo 500 komada u striparnicama...ku..ku daleko bilo...taj serijal po prirodi stvari
MORA NA KIOSKE!
ja dupliram kolekciju, jer su PSDZ toga vrijedne!
Kod mene to ide u triplikatu - prvo ZS i LMS,zatim tzv."Crveni pirat",na kraju "Strip-Agent"...Nadam se da će uspeti da isprate "Priče sa Divljeg Zapada" do kraja,jer je to jedan od najkvalitetnijih Bonelli serijala. |
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selanne
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Posted - 26/09/2012 : 12:08:21
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Where other men blindly follow the truth, remember - nothing is true. Where other men are limited by morality or law, remember - everything is permitted. We work in the dark to serve the light. We are assassins! Nothing is true, everything is permitted. |
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zlatan bihac
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Posted - 26/09/2012 : 12:46:57
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malo i ovaj naslov topica stvara zablude...sad će dva mjeseca (2.8) kako je izašao broj 7,a dalje stoji broj 6.
znači za 10-ak dana bi trebala i osmica da izađe.. |
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selanne
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Posted - 26/09/2012 : 12:52:45
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| Hvala! Znači, u nas bi se za desetak dana trebala pojaviti sedmica, jer mi se čini da kasnimo samo jedan broj? |
Where other men blindly follow the truth, remember - nothing is true. Where other men are limited by morality or law, remember - everything is permitted. We work in the dark to serve the light. We are assassins! Nothing is true, everything is permitted. |
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ZoranC
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