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provodina
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Posted - 02/11/2012 : 11:38:44
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quote: Originally posted by Windwalker
Svi su mi dobri. A iskreno nisam znao da ih toliko ima. 
Nego, Knightfall? Vidio u Algoritmu, preko 600 stranica za oko 200 kuna. Čini mi se isplativo, jer bi mi vani ionako lupili poštarinu/carinu/porez, a i trebalo bi mjesec dana da stigne. No, najvažnije, jel stvarno valja? I jel u boji ili tipa Marvel Essentials? I kakvi su nastavci? Jer čini mi se kao savršen početak druženja sa stripovskim Batmanom, a i vjerujem da bi me tih 1800 stranica zasitilo na dugo vremena. Ako su dobri, naravno.
Knightfall jedan od najboljih saga i najbolje vrijeme za bit batmanov fan. Kroz ta 3 trejda možeš skontat cilu srž što je batman i što on predstavlja za grad.nadalje naučit ćeš o svim zločinicima koji su u tom gradu sve bitne pojedinosti.Rekao bih da je to najbolja saga za upoznavanje sa svim što batman nudi. Što se papira tiče meni se sviđa.Iman Death in the familly u digitalno koloru i ovo mi više paše. Papir je manje bitan Ova priča je korijen svega što je batman i zato je preporučam svima prije ijedne druge priče.
Što se tiče ostatka najbolje godine batmana tu je sljedeće
Batman: Sword of Azrael Knightfall Part One: Broken Bat Knightfall Part Two: Knightquest Robin: Flying Solo Knightfall Part Three: KnightsEnd Batman: Prodigal Batman: Contagion Batman: Legacy Batman: Cataclysm Batman: No Man's Land Vol. 1 Batman: No Man's Land Vol. 2 Batman: No Man's Land Vol. 3 Batman: No Man's Land Vol. 4
Pa ko voli nek izvoli. Jedino s čime se ovaj run može mjerit je sa Grant Morrison sagom ,ali ona nije baš za svakog.Meni je osobno čak i bolja.
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SonicHR
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Posted - 02/11/2012 : 11:53:23
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Slažem se,upravo čitam volume 1 i zasad je predobro,a nisam ni na pola...
Zanima me samo,vidio sam na netu da ljudi kažu da je volume 2 puno slabiji i da se čak može preskočit na 3 bez da se puno propusti. Jel istina? |
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ness1602
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Posted - 02/11/2012 : 11:56:48
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Jok,meni je dvojka bas dobra. Azrael koji jednostavno evoluira Betmena i gde sve to vodi. Jedino sto mozda fali je Search,tj kako je Brus izlecen, ali mozemo i bez toga posto je ocajno napisan. |
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brni
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Posted - 02/11/2012 : 11:57:50
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quote: Originally posted by ness1602
Jok,meni je dvojka bas dobra. Azrael koji jednostavno evoluira Betmena i gde sve to vodi. Jedino sto mozda fali je Search,tj kako je Brus izlecen, ali mozemo i bez toga posto je ocajno napisan.
Slazem se.. |
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ness1602
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Posted - 02/11/2012 : 12:01:23
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Samo da se razumemo, meni papir isto ne smeta. Realno, jedino bitno mi je da dobijemo dobre Betmenove price za ok kintu. I NML isto ima lep papir. Koliko sam razumeo Knightfall nije digitalno bojen,zato su odlucili da idu ovim putem.
Posle ovoga, obavezno uzimaj NML, meni je on jos bolji. I ovde je JPV odlicno odradjen, sa sve lozanom stavljanja maske.
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brni
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Posted - 02/11/2012 : 12:02:15
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quote: Originally posted by ness1602
Posle ovoga, obavezno uzimaj NML, meni je on jos bolji.
Naravno, ja samo cekam da izade sve pa cu u komadu.. |
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Edited by - brni on 02/11/2012 12:03:14 |
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Smomo8
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Windwalker
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Snake Plissken
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Posted - 03/11/2012 : 16:52:35
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Ja samo da naglasim da je Bejn sranje, ceo Najtfol je sranje, i postoji brdo boljih trejdova za upoznavanje sa Betsom. Ljudi se loze na Najtfol cesto jer je jeftin, dobije se brdo strana za nikakve pare i onda odatle krenu sa puno sadrzaja za loma kinte. |
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brni
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Snake Plissken
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Smomo8
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Snake Plissken
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 07:49:18
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Ne, nisam citao Najtfol, nego sam dosao ovde napamet da pricam i da se nadam da me niko nece provaliti. Takodje ne umem da citam ni da pisem, nadam se da se ne primecuje. Ako vec covek hoce da se upozna sa Betmenom, ima brdo boljih prica od ove, Loub, Miler, a ako hoce pricu o slomljenom Betmenu, uvek moze da procita Kult koji sije ovo za pet duzina.
I kako moze uopste da ili ne bude istina, kada ja iznosim svoje misljenje? Za mene je Bejn smesan negativac, cela saga je dosadna, preduga, predvidiva i to nije stvar istine vec toga kakvim ja to smatram. Da mi nece jos neko reci da lazem? :D
Da ne pominjem crtez i sarenis koji je prilicno prevazidjen, sto ne bi bio problem da ga bar scenario vadi. A ovo je vec bogami treci-cetvrti put da nalecem na argument da se dobije puno strana za malo para, kao da to ima veze sa time da li je ovo valjan strip. Sto, naravno, nije. |
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swamp thing
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 10:18:45
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quote: Originally posted by Snake Plissken
Ne, nisam citao Najtfol, nego sam dosao ovde napamet da pricam i da se nadam da me niko nece provaliti. Takodje ne umem da citam ni da pisem, nadam se da se ne primecuje. Ako vec covek hoce da se upozna sa Betmenom, ima brdo boljih prica od ove, Loub, Miler, a ako hoce pricu o slomljenom Betmenu, uvek moze da procita Kult koji sije ovo za pet duzina.
I kako moze uopste da ili ne bude istina, kada ja iznosim svoje misljenje? Za mene je Bejn smesan negativac, cela saga je dosadna, preduga, predvidiva i to nije stvar istine vec toga kakvim ja to smatram. Da mi nece jos neko reci da lazem? :D
Da ne pominjem crtez i sarenis koji je prilicno prevazidjen, sto ne bi bio problem da ga bar scenario vadi. A ovo je vec bogami treci-cetvrti put da nalecem na argument da se dobije puno strana za malo para, kao da to ima veze sa time da li je ovo valjan strip. Sto, naravno, nije.
Slažem se s tobom (uglavnom, jer je meni i Kult zvezebe). Najtfol je i meni bio potpuno prosječna saga. Razmišljam da nabavim Ničiju zemlju u ovim novim izdanjima, ali se plašim kad pročitam da je upoređuju sa Najtfolom, i svi govore 'odličan odnos cijene i dobijenih stranica'. Šta će mi 2000 stranica štiva koje je prosječno ili loše. Kakav je tebi NML? |
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Smomo8
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brni
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 13:25:00
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Ne kuzim ove price o nekakvom lozenju.ovdje se radi o tome da je za upoznavanje sa Batmanom najbolje u ruke uzet Knghtfall..pa i meni je Cult odlican..i govoriti da netko kupuje strip zbog omjera cijena/broj strana je debilno..ko je pravi Batmanov fan zna sta je sve bitno za njegovu karijeru..i ja to mislim sve nabavit..
I Bane je u biti nebitan faktor u Knghtfallu..bit te price je kako Gotham zivi bez Bruce Waynea i koliko on znaci za sam grad..ali jbg neki ljudi vidim bas nisu to skuzili..
Inace ono sta nabavljam od Batsa i sta je bitno za njegovu karijeru:
Batman: Year One Batman and the Monster Men Batman and the Mad Monk Batman: The Man Who Laughs Batman: Dead to Rights Batman: Prey Batman: Shaman Batman: Venom Batman: Haunted Knight Batman: The Long Halloween Batman: Dark Victory
Robin Year One Batgirl Year One Batman Tales of the Demon Batman Strange Apparitions Nightwing Year One Batman Son of Demon Batman The Wrath Batman: Ten Nights of The Beast Batman The Cult Batman: Arkham Asylum Batman: A Death in the Family Batman: The Killing Joke Batman: Blind Justice The Many Deaths of The Batman Batman: A Lonely Place of Dying Robin: A Hero Reborn Batman Birth of the Demon (Ra's Al Ghul's origin) Batman Last Arkham Batman: Sword of Azrael
Knightfall Part One: Broken Bat Knightfall Part Two: Knightquest Robin: Flying Solo Knightfall Part Three: KnightsEnd Batman: Prodigal Batman: Contagion Batman: Legacy Batman: Cataclysm Batman: No Man's Land Vol. 1 Batman: No Man's Land Vol. 2 Batman: No Man's Land Vol. 3 Batman: No Man's Land Vol. 4 JLA Tower of Babel Batman: Evolution Bruce Wayne: Murderer? Bruce Wayne: Fugitive Vol. 1 Bruce Wayne: Fugitive Vol. 2 Batman: Hush Batman: Broken City Batman: War Drums Batman: War Games Act One: Outbreak Batman: War Games Act Two: Tides Batman: War Games Act Three: Endgame Batman: Under the Hood Vol. 1 Batman: War Crimes Batman: Under the Hood Vol 2 Batman: Face the Face
Batman and Son Batman: The Black Glove Batman: Heart of Hush Batman: R.I.P. Final Crisis Batman and Robin: Batman Reborn Batman and Robin : Batman vs Robin Batman: Time and the Batman Batman: The Return of Bruce Wayne Batman and Robin : Batman Must Die ! Batman Incorporated Vol.1 |
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Smomo8
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Snake Plissken
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 22:34:50
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Debilno je kupovati ono "sto je bitno" za Betmena, jer to ce da rade samo fanbojevi. Posto imam glavu i umem da je koristim, svakako cu probrati ono sto je vredno kupovine. Nit je svaki Morison zlata vredan, niti je sve sto spada u kanon Betmena kvalitetno, cak je stvar suprotna.
A price o ceni i broju strana Najtfola nisu pominjane samo ovde, vec i na Darkvudu, tako da znam o cemu pricam.
Mislim, Lonely place of Dying, Death in the family, Venom, Strange Aparations, Blind Justice, POGOTOVO Son of a Demon su uzasno naivne price gde ako u osnovi i valja ideja, razrada opasno skripi, a to sto spadaju u "nesto sto je bitno za njegovu karijeru" moze biti bitno nekome samo zato sto se odvec lozi da bi koristio glavu i krs razdvojio od onoga sto valja. Tu takodje mozemo izdvojiti i neke Morisonove precenjene radeove, pre svih Arkam, Fajnal krajzis da ne pominjem. Da ne bude da sam Loub fanboj, i njegove price se cesto svode samo na misteriju, gde iza svega stoji jedan lik, a ostali defiluju kao lutke. Iako Hush ima sjajnih momenata, to mu je ozbiljna mana (kao i cinjenica da vise ljudi zna Betsov identitet nego sto ne zna), a kanonski LNH i DV su (iako ih smatram dovoljno dobrim za imati, pogotovo zbog dobre moderne razrade origina) cesto prenaporni i repetitivni. Heart od Hush je vec komedija totalna, ali dobro, Hush je meni kao negativac prilicno izlisan, kao i Bejn za kog ne mogu verovati da nije nastao pedeset i neke, vec u moderno doba.
Na kraju, to da je nesto kanonsko pa ga zato treba imati je izuzetno smesan razlog i Zan-Luk Pikard nema dovoljno fejspalmova da pokaze apsurdnost takvog rezonovanja. |
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Snake Plissken
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Posted - 05/11/2012 : 07:04:41
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quote: Originally posted by swamp thingŠta će mi 2000 stranica štiva koje je prosječno ili loše. Kakav je tebi NML?
Davno sam ga citao i nije mi se dopao, ali vise me je ta ideja o odsecanju Gotama nervirala, realno mu nisam dao sansu i kanim se bas ovih dana da ga procitam opet da bih mogao da formiram misljenje. Moj savet je da prelistas .cbr pa ako ti ne legne, bar nisi bacio novac. :) |
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Smomo8
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Posted - 05/11/2012 : 19:16:08
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quote: Originally posted by Snake Plissken Mislim, Lonely place of Dying, Death in the family, Venom, Strange Aparations, Blind Justice, POGOTOVO Son of a Demon su uzasno naivne price gde ako u osnovi i valja ideja, razrada opasno skripi
Aha, dakle priznajemo ono što sam ja rekao još prije pola godine, a ti me podmuklo spustio replikom u stilu "znao sam šta da očekujem, strip mi se dopao, i nabavljam papirnato izdanje". Nice to hear. (strašno sam zlopamtilo, znam)
Smomo, baci pogled na "Batman: Black and White" - radi se o antologijama kratkih priča, u kojima poznati autori, bez ikakvih ograničenja, daju svoje viđenje Betmena na svega nekoliko stranica.
O, i "Batman: Ego" mi se dopao, Gruja ga je preporučivao, jako simpatična priča. "Monster Men" i "Mad Monk" su čisti prosjek, meni barem. |
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Smomo8
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ness1602
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Posted - 06/11/2012 : 11:19:47
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quote: Originally posted by Smomo8
Ma znaš šta,ne usudim se kupovati Black and White jer se bojim da čak i ako ima nekih dobrih priča,u isto vrijeme ima i nekih sranja.
Prvi B&W nema loše priče, bar koliko se ja sjećam, a ima par fantastičnih priča - Đavolja truba, Nevinašce, Crno-bijeli svijet,..., da ne pričam kakvi majstori učestvuju - Boland, Otomo, Gejmen, Kjubert, Bizli,... Drugi je takođe odličan, iako slabiji od prvog. Treći zaobiđi u širokom luku. Dakle, za prva dva velika preporuka od mene.  |
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