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mr murdoc
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Posted - 29/06/2013 : 14:10:01  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send mr murdoc a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Zao mi je jer sam DC dijete i sto moram gledati ovakve debakle ..
Ipak..GO DC

“To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all.”? Oscar Wilde
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 29/06/2013 : 15:37:45  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by mr murdoc


Nolan je sjebao sve sto je sjebati mogao, sada mu brat radi sranja na ovom filmu..mislim..stvaaarno?
Zack je OK..Film je ok..
Ocekivao sam vise..no hej..
Sve im mogu oprostiti..no S ne ubija...i to je poanta.

Zapravo, Nolan je bio protiv ubijanja Zoda ali su ga Snyder i Goyer (jedva) ubedili.

A Superman naravno ubija, i na filmu i u stripu: u Supermanu 2 je bacio Zoda u provaliju, dok je u Byrnovom runu takodje ubio generala i ekipu... u oba slucaja kad nisu imali super-moci.

moji crteži
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brni
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Posted - 29/06/2013 : 15:49:40  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send brni a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Bas ta Byrneova prica je dokaz zasto Superman nesmi ubijati..i sve nakon te price sta je usljedilo je svojevrsno iskupljivanje za to..i to je jedini put kad je ubija u regulranom serijalu od golden agea..upravo je ta prica iznimka koja potvrduje pravilo: SUPERMAN NE UBIJA!!

"Clark Kent je Supermanova kritika covjecanstva"

Edited by - brni on 29/06/2013 15:49:57
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 29/06/2013 : 16:21:03  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by brni

Bas ta Byrneova prica je dokaz zasto Superman nesmi ubijati..i sve nakon te price sta je usljedilo je svojevrsno iskupljivanje za to..i to je jedini put kad je ubija u regulranom serijalu od golden agea..upravo je ta prica iznimka koja potvrduje pravilo: SUPERMAN NE UBIJA!!

Man of Steel je bas takva prica: gledamo Supermana u prvoj borbi u njegovom zivotu, i to sa obucenim vojnicima, koji uz to sticu super-moci a prete da uniste njegov svet. Ovo nije Morrisonov All Star Superman, na vrhuncu svoje moci, koji uvek ima plan ("uvek postoji nacin"). Autori filma kazu da scena sa Zodom predstavlja objasnjenje njegovog moralnog koda, koji sad ima i dodatnu tezinu.

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brni
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Posted - 29/06/2013 : 16:54:01  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send brni a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Vlaadisha

Autori filma kazu da scena sa Zodom predstavlja objasnjenje njegovog moralnog koda, koji sad ima i dodatnu tezinu.



Kad oni to kazu onda to stvarno ima tezinu..nema šta..

A Morrisonov All-Star je ipak alternativna verzija Supermana tako da mi je glupo sta si ga uopce spomenia u ovom kontekstu..

"Clark Kent je Supermanova kritika covjecanstva"

Edited by - brni on 29/06/2013 16:54:21
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 29/06/2013 : 17:28:40  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by brni

Kad oni to kazu onda to stvarno ima tezinu..nema šta..
Ima tezinu jer je sad osetio bespomocnost koja ce ga terati da uvek ima plan i spasi sve koga moze. Negde sam citao da ce se u buducim filmovima vracati na njegovu grizu savesti (ne ocekujem sad neki Exile, doduse).
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A Morrisonov All-Star je ipak alternativna verzija Supermana tako da mi je glupo sta si ga uopce spomenia u ovom kontekstu..

Spomenuo sam ga u kontekstu raznih inkarnacija Supermana; ne verujem da su autori filma optereceni kontinuitetom u stripu. Drugim recima, mogli su se opredeliti za bilo koju verziju Coveka od celika, a All Star je jedna od najblizih tom nekom idealnom Supermanu. Jednostavno, ovo je njihovo citanje izvora i legitimno je kao i bilo koje drugo. Kanon je za nas fanove.

moji crteži

Edited by - Vlaadisha on 29/06/2013 18:00:29
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mr murdoc
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Posted - 29/06/2013 : 17:30:37  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send mr murdoc a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nemojte mi molim vas krenuti sa obrazlozenjima kako je prezime Nolan dobro utjecalo na ovaj ili bilo koji drugi Superherojski strip..

“To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all.”? Oscar Wilde

Edited by - mr murdoc on 29/06/2013 17:31:18
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 29/06/2013 : 17:37:36  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mr murdoc

Nemojte mi molim vas krenuti sa obrazlozenjima kako je prezime Nolan dobro utjecalo na ovaj ili bilo koji drugi Superherojski strip..

Na strip ili na film? Pa, preporodio je filmskog Batmana, svidjalo se to nekom ili ne. Licno nisam Nolanov fan, ali cini mi se da mnogi kriticari MoS preferijaju ruzicaste naocari u odnosu na grej filter.


moji crteži

Edited by - Vlaadisha on 29/06/2013 17:39:28
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brni
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Posted - 29/06/2013 : 17:42:19  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send brni a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Vlaadisha

Jednostavno, ovo je njihovo citanje izvora i legitimno je kao i bilo koje drugo. Kanon je za nas fanove.



Ne slazem se..Marvel je dokaza da se moze snimit superherojski film koji moze zadovoljit svu publiku..a ovi Nolani nek samo nastave unistavat sve sta je dobro u DC-u..

"Clark Kent je Supermanova kritika covjecanstva"

Edited by - brni on 29/06/2013 17:42:37
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mr murdoc
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Posted - 29/06/2013 : 18:24:41  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send mr murdoc a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Vlaadisha

quote:
Originally posted by mr murdoc

Nemojte mi molim vas krenuti sa obrazlozenjima kako je prezime Nolan dobro utjecalo na ovaj ili bilo koji drugi Superherojski strip..

Na strip ili na film? Pa, preporodio je filmskog Batmana, svidjalo se to nekom ili ne. Licno nisam Nolanov fan, ali cini mi se da mnogi kriticari MoS preferijaju ruzicaste naocari u odnosu na grej filter.



Yeep..Nista donosi nista....nolanologija

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Windwalker
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Posted - 29/06/2013 : 18:57:09  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Windwalker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sve Nolanovo je vrh osim Inceptiona.
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mr murdoc
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Posted - 29/06/2013 : 19:08:55  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send mr murdoc a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Windwalker

Sve Nolanovo je vrh osim Inceptiona.

Dobra ti udica frende..,no ne grize..jebiga ..heh.

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King Warrior
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Posted - 30/06/2013 : 18:49:32  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send King Warrior a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by brni



Ne slazem se..Marvel je dokaza da se moze snimit superherojski film koji moze zadovoljit svu publiku..


Na koji to film mislis?
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brni
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Posted - 30/06/2013 : 19:05:11  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send brni a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by King Warrior

quote:
Originally posted by brni



Ne slazem se..Marvel je dokaza da se moze snimit superherojski film koji moze zadovoljit svu publiku..


Na koji to film mislis?



Zelis primjer..evo Iron Man 3..

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King Warrior
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Posted - 30/06/2013 : 19:17:26  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send King Warrior a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Uh, ne znam koga je Iron-man 3 sve zadovoljio (), ali MOS, pored svih nedostataka, je remek-djelo za taj film.

Stvar je u tome da MOS nije nasa ocekivanja ispunio, to je jasno, ali je mi je jos uvijek bolji od Amazing S-M, Iron-mana, Avengers i ostalih Marvelovih filmova.
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mr murdoc
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Posted - 30/06/2013 : 21:09:54  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send mr murdoc a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by King Warrior

Uh, ne znam koga je Iron-man 3 sve zadovoljio (), ali MOS, pored svih nedostataka, je remek-djelo za taj film.

Stvar je u tome da MOS nije nasa ocekivanja ispunio, to je jasno, ali je mi je jos uvijek bolji od Amazing S-M, Iron-mana, Avengers i ostalih Marvelovih filmova.

Ne slazem se..Marvel je to na velikom platnu puno unosnije i bolje odradio..

“To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all.”? Oscar Wilde
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brni
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Posted - 30/06/2013 : 21:47:45  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send brni a Private Message  Reply with Quote
@King Warrior

Nemoj se ljutit ali vidim da nisi ni ti imun na shit of the year izjave..

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dante
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Posted - 30/06/2013 : 21:54:21  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send dante a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Meni se cini da se MOS urusio pod tezinom vlastite umisljene velicine i ozbiljnosti, i opizdio na tlo kao umiruci mamut. Whedon je po tom pitanju ostavio Snydera iza sebe u prasini, a ovaj ce, bojim se, jos dugo kasljati.

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Johnny Difool
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Posted - 30/06/2013 : 21:56:21  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Johnny Difool a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Bilo koji od Raimijevih Spideya, čak i najslabiji treći, kao i The Amazing Spidey, pa i prvi Iron Man, su puno bolji od MoS.
O dvama Singerovim X-Men, kao i o X-Men: First Class, ne treba ni trošiti riječi.

Ja necu imati s kim ostati mlad ako svi ostarite,
i ta ce mi mladost teško pasti...
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King Warrior
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Posted - 30/06/2013 : 22:26:33  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send King Warrior a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by brni

@King Warrior

Nemoj se ljutit ali vidim da nisi ni ti imun na shit of the year izjave..



Nemoj da zezas, Iron-Man 1-3 je smece nevidjeno, to kazem kao covjek koji voli akcione filmove i superherojske stripove.
A sto se tice MOS, pa mozda ga akceptiramo malo vise s vremenom, mislim na nas hardcore Supie fanove. Ja sam vec poceo pomalo da popustam.
Nolanov Batman mi isto je na pocetku bio odbojan, sav taj realizam mi nije nekako pasao u njegov svijet. Onda sam s vremenom popustio i najkasnije poslije TDK cak zavolio novu verziju.
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DeeCay
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Posted - 30/06/2013 : 23:48:21  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send DeeCay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Stan'te drugovi, da nitko nije bacio neki spoiler dok ja u srijedu ne pogledam film!

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Windwalker
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Posted - 01/07/2013 : 00:41:44  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Windwalker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nisam još gledao MoS, ali teško da će biti gori od ASM-a, Thora, Captain Americe, Incredible Hulka i Iron Mana 2 i 3 (a da ne govorim o onim Electrama i sličnim ispljuvcima).

Ne očekujem da će premašiti Avengerse, niti da će se približiti X-Menima ili Dark Knightovima, ali svejedno očekujem vrlo dobar film.


Evo nekakvog poretka:

1st tier: X-Men 1, 2, First Class, Dark Knight Trilogy, Spider-Man 1, 2, Iron Man 1, Avengers, Watchmen.

2nd tier: Iron Man 2, 3, Thor, Spider-Man 3, X-Men: The Last Stand, Hulk, Daredevil (Damn right!), Superman 1, 2 (njih bi morao opet pogledat, možda ipak zaslužuju klasu više), Blade 1, 2, Hellboy.

3rd tier: Thor, X-Men Origins: Wolverine, Batman, Batman Returns, Incredible Hulk, Amazing Spider-Man, Fantastic Four 1, 2, Punisher, Superman 3, Spawn, Blade: Trinity.

Shit tier: Captain America, Electra, Catwoman, Batman Forever, Batman&Robin, Punisher: War Zone, Superman 4, Ghost Rider 1 (a vrlo, vrlo vjerojatno i drugi), Hellboy 2: Golden Army.

Vjerojatno sam neke filmove zaboravio (ili možda nisam gledao).

Za Man of Steel očekujem solidan Tier 2.

Edited by - Windwalker on 01/07/2013 00:58:45
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going going
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Posted - 01/07/2013 : 15:45:32  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send going going a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Man of Steel je mnogo bolji od Iron-mana 2, 3 nisam gledao. 2 je toliko dosadna i razvucena da ti ubije zelju da ga ikada vise pogledas. Ali ipak sam ga pogledao i drugi put, tada mi je bio jos gori!


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brni
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Posted - 01/07/2013 : 15:53:52  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send brni a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by going going

Man of Steel je mnogo bolji od Iron-mana 2, 3 nisam gledao. 2 je toliko dosadna i razvucena da ti ubije zelju da ga ikada vise pogledas. Ali ipak sam ga pogledao i drugi put, tada mi je bio jos gori!






Slazem se Iron Man 2 je totalno bzvz i dosadan..jedinica je solidna no nista vise od toga..ali ode nije rijec o 1 i 2 vec Iron Man 3 koji je daleko najbolji dio..Man of Steel je smece neviđeno prema njemu..

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Darth Ivan
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Posted - 01/07/2013 : 22:22:47  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Darth Ivan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
kao što sam rekao, ništa bez Christophera Reevea

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