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zkne
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Ernie Pike
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anto
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Posted - 12/08/2013 : 04:08:40
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Bushido
quote: Pustinjski škorpioni integral / scenarij i crtež Hugo Pratt; [prijevod Petra Švarc]. Zagreb: Bookglobe, 2013. 436 str.: ilustr.; 30 cm. Prijevod djela: Les scorpions du desert

     e ovo je fenomenalna vest !!! |
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Risar_69
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Posted - 17/08/2013 : 21:06:12
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Baš sada na HRT2 20:42 Putovanje u Mu - Hugo Pratt, dokumentarna emisija |
Kad pocneš crtati, uvek moraš imati na kraju olovke, srce, ruku i misli! |
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vukozec
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Posted - 17/08/2013 : 22:17:51
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quote: Originally posted by Risar_69
Baš sada na HRT2 20:42 Putovanje u Mu - Hugo Pratt, dokumentarna emisija
...koja me upravo potakla da se ovdje registriram, pozdrav svima :)
Evo što me zanima: dokumentarac završava sa komentarom da se ne trudimo tražiti Corta u hrvatskim knjižarama jer ćemo naći samo piratska ili izdanja sa diletantnim prijevodom. Već sam ranije naišao na slične komentare pa me zanima na koja se izdanja točno misli?
Dokumentarac je iz 2005., a Bookglobe je počeo sa Cortom ako se ne varam 2007., znači njihova izdanja ne upadaju u tu kategoriju? Znači misli se na Antibarbarus izdanja? Koliko znam to dvoje su jedina dostupna izdanja na hrvatskom ili postoji još nešto treće? Kakva su srpska izdanja? Ukratko, zamolio bih vas za vaša iskustva. |
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Mr. Bushido
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Posted - 17/08/2013 : 22:23:17
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quote: Originally posted by vukozec
quote: Originally posted by Risar_69
Baš sada na HRT2 20:42 Putovanje u Mu - Hugo Pratt, dokumentarna emisija
...koja me upravo potakla da se ovdje registriram, pozdrav svima :)
Evo što me zanima: dokumentarac završava sa komentarom da se ne trudimo tražiti Corta u hrvatskim knjižarama jer ćemo naći samo piratska ili izdanja sa diletantnim prijevodom. Već sam ranije naišao na slične komentare pa me zanima na koja se izdanja točno misli?
Dokumentarac je iz 2005., a Bookglobe je počeo sa Cortom ako se ne varam 2007., znači njihova izdanja ne upadaju u tu kategoriju? Znači misli se na Antibarbarus izdanja? Koliko znam to dvoje su jedina dostupna izdanja na hrvatskom ili postoji još nešto treće? Kakva su srpska izdanja? Ukratko, zamolio bih vas za vaša iskustva.
http://forum.stripovi.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=27016&whichpage=11 |
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MSBlueberry
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Posted - 18/08/2013 : 15:12:49
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Jako mi se sviđa Hugo Pratt. U Stripotekama iz onih dana sam se prvi put upoznao sa njegovim djelima/junacima i privuklo me, pogotovo taj njegov ukočen stil ˝bez pokreta˝ crtanja. Ne radi se samo o Cortu, svi ostali likovi i priče su slični i jednako privlačni (Pustinjske Škorpije,Ana iz Đungle npr.). Ono što je zanimljivo je kako se Pratt uključio u taj mistični i bajkoviti svijet Orijent/Srednji Istok. Invazijom fašističke Italije na nekadašnju Abesiniju dobio se novi teritorij i vlada je pozivala svoje građane da se tamo nasele, što su roditelji Huga prihvatili, i od tada taj daleki svijet iz knjiga je postao njegova stvarnost. Do kraja života je ostao svjetski putnik, obilazeči što više lokacija (pa svi smo to u ona vremena željeli raditi, zar ne?), i stavljajuči ih u svoje priče (od svakog po nešto). Bez da sam išta znao o njemu, koliko je priznat i uspješan, čitajuči stripoteke svatija san da ˝ovaj mora da je priznat˝. Što se tiče kvalitete izdanja i prijevoda, uopče svega ne samo Pratt, pa to je stara stvar, čemu čuđenje. |
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Mr. Bushido
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jaki
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Posted - 18/10/2013 : 18:31:21
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Evo što kaže bedeteka: Summary of the album: This integral together in a compact size and attractive already used for the full two-volume adventures Alack Sinner Muñoz and Sampayo, all the stories of the Desert Scorpions designed by Pratt or the first five episodes of the saga, until Brise de Mer All stories have a new lettering, and was put together in boards 3 strips to homogenize their presentation, totaling a beautiful work of 440 pages .
Žao mi je što su premontirali prva dva albuma sa 4 reda sličica na tri reda.Onako sa više sličica po A-4 tabli mi je ljepše izgledalo(kao u stripoteci).Da je barem format manji od A-4.Nekako mi Pratt ljepše izgleda na manjim sličicama. |
Ja sam fetišist papira! |
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anto
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Posted - 18/10/2013 : 20:44:58
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i meni je lepši Prat u manjim sličicama.
ono što ne razumem, je što kažu da je u ovom integralu sve od Prata, to jest prvih 5 albuma (epizoda),a koliko vidim na Bedeteci, njegovih je prva četiri albuma.Pet već potpiszuje Wazem Pierre.
btw, klasična masthevuša!Bravo za BG. |
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Edited by - anto on 18/10/2013 20:46:00 |
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jaki
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Raymond
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jaki
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alexts
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Mr. Bushido
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Posted - 20/10/2013 : 01:33:34
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quote: Originally posted by alexts
Ne razumem zašto na http://stomugromova.com/ nema vesti novijih od pre 14 meseci??
Čemu služi sajt ako se ne koristi tj ažurira?
Iskreno, nekako me briga za sajt, samo nek stripovi izlaze. |
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Vid
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Posted - 29/10/2013 : 23:55:58
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Jedno pitanje. Ja u Pustinjskim škorpionima prije stripa odmah na početku imam stranicu sa imenom stripa i autora, koja se obično pojavljuje u gotovo svim stripovima. No ista stranica je duplirana na kraju posle svih stripova. Pa me sada interesuje, da li je tako samo u mom izvodu ili je to tako bilo zamišljeno ? Nije baš nešto strašno ali bih ipak želio, da znam. |
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Mr. Bushido
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Posted - 30/10/2013 : 00:01:18
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quote: Originally posted by Vid
Jedno pitanje. Ja u Pustinjskim škorpionima prije stripa odmah na početku imam stranicu sa imenom stripa i autora, koja se obično pojavljuje u gotovo svim stripovima. No ista stranica je duplirana na kraju posle svih stripova. Pa me sada interesuje, da li je tako samo u mom izvodu ili je to tako bilo zamišljeno ? Nije baš nešto strašno ali bih ipak želio, da znam.
Neki dan sam ga prolistao u striparnici i čini se da je doista tako zamišljeno.
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Raymond
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Posted - 02/11/2013 : 23:49:32
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Dobi danas ovu knjizurinu Pustinjske Skorpije..odlicno odradjeno (nisam citao)..definitivno sto se dimenzija tice je oko A4 (znaci nije iste dimenzije kao novi Corto u koluru; po meni bi trebao biti ali...ok)
Mala negativnost (meni) je da korice nisu mat i ima previse bijelog prostora oko crteza, znaci moglo se lako smanjiti da je iste dimenzije kao novi Corto u koloru ali dobro (mozda nemaju pravo ili im je lakse da se ne muce sa onim crop u design jeli software?)..subjektivnost
Preporuka.
inace: Prattov crtez se mijenjao prema kraju knjige vise simpliciranim linijama sto se meni svidja ai teze je odraditi tako a da stima... |
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jaki
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Posted - 06/03/2014 : 15:18:37
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Danas sam uzeo iz knjižnjice ovaj integral,Pustinjski Škorpioni i želio bih s vama podijeliti utiske.Napomena:pročitao sam prvi album za sada. Pustinjski Škorpioni su mi odličan strip još od kada sam ga pročitao u Stripoteci a sada mi je još i bolji u BG izdanju sa prijevodom Petre Švarc(Raul?),iako se potkralo par greškica.Nisam mogao vjerovati kako je u Stripoteci loš prijevod Skraćivan,izbacivane gomile teksta,netočno prevođen,politički cenzuriran... Pogotovo to dolazi na kraju prvog albuma,kad na grobu(cenzuriranog od Stripoteke-izbrisana židovska zvijezda)ubijene židovske agentice,Židov,Arap i naš antijunak Koinsky imaju zanimljivu povijesnu političku raspravu.Također,ovom izdanju pomaže što ima i didaskalije sa objašnjenjem raznih skraćenica,vojnih postrojba i špijunskih agentura. A sad loše stvari: Ovaj integral ima premontirane table,manje kadrova po stranici dok je u Stripoteci više sličica po stranici(Pratt je crtao prva 2-3 od 5 albuma sa više sličica)Uslijed premontiranja ima nekih sličica koje su rastavljene na pola ili skraćenih da bi se mogle uklopiti u novi format.Ja volim da je više sličica po stranici ali to je moja osobna preferenca i nije problem u tome,uostalom tako je i objavljen i vani ali... Ali....Ne znam kako je netko mogao pustiti u tisak ovako loš sken tj.oštrinu istog.Stripoteka na lošijem papiru prije 30 godina imala stoputa bolju oštrinu?Očigledno BG nije platio za digitalne materijale već su sami skenirali (i to loše).ne znam čemu kupiti prava na Prattove stripove i izdati ovako loše izdanje?? I što sad?Dati 260 kn za ovo?Ma i 160 kn je previše za ovo ili skupljati po Stripoteci epizodice sa užasnim prijevodom,s tim da Stripoteka nije objavila svih 5 albuma? I onda nek mi kažu da je Libellus skup. |
Ja sam fetišist papira! |
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NESVRSTANI
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Posted - 06/03/2014 : 15:37:17
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Nekidan san završija čitanje ovoga integrala i moran priznat da nisan primjetija ovo šta pišeš za oštrinu. Jesi li to primjetija na nekin tablama, ili pričaš o stripu generalno? Šta se cijene tiče, meni 260 Kn za ovoliko stripa nije puno. Da su integral razbili u pojedinačne albume vjerovatno bi bili skupi za pop.... Ovako mi je OK.
I da, Libellus je skup |
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jaki
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NESVRSTANI
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Posted - 06/03/2014 : 15:56:13
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quote: Originally posted by jaki
Uzmi stripoteku i usporedi sa bg pa ćeš vidit šta je razlika sve table.
Neman stripoteku, provat ću usporedit sa onin piratskin izdanjen. |
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jaki
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Posted - 06/03/2014 : 19:13:54
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Pogledaj: Lijevo je BG a desno stripoteka:
 A da ne govorim i da u BG izdanju,osim manjkave oštrine,crna boja nije crna već isprano crna. |
Ja sam fetišist papira! |
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NESVRSTANI
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Posted - 06/03/2014 : 22:34:20
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quote: Originally posted by jaki
Pogledaj: Lijevo je BG a desno stripoteka:
 A da ne govorim i da u BG izdanju,osim manjkave oštrine,crna boja nije crna već isprano crna.
Baš san gušta čitajući, tako da uopće nisan primjetija, al si u pravu. Usporedija san sa piratskin izdanjen i tamo je isto oštriji crtež i "crnija" crna. Doduše u piratskome je nakakav žuti papir pa crna vjerovatno i zbog toga drukčije izgleda. |
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