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solar
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Posted - 29/03/2014 : 19:35:12
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Da malo prekinem ovu poplavu spiskova crtača. Vidim kako se VČ približava uvodnoj priči južnoameričke sage da se puno ljudi nabrijava na cijelo to putovanje i ono što je ispred nas. Ista je situacija i na darkvudskom forumu, čak su ljudi iz VČ-a javili da će u narednom periodu (edicija OP) biti objavljene sve priče relevantne za to predstojeće vrijeme (Sedam gradova Cibole, Carstvo Songaja, Kain #2). Sjećam se vremena kad je Ludens tek počeo objavljivati ono afričko putovanje koje je počelo sa "Krvnom braćom", ljudi su se isto tako nabrijavali, očekivali jednaku kvalitetu kao i sa "Nestalim Istraživačem" pa smo se svi (uključujući i mene) lagano razočarali jer priče, premda su bila jako dobre ipak nisu bile vrhunske.
Kakavi su vaši komentari na sve ovo, očekivanja, hoće li vam sljedećih (skoro) 5 godina Zagorovih putovanja biti previše itd.?
p.s. Evo linka na recenziju prve uvodne priče, ali nemojte zaboravit da sadrži teške SPOJLERE: http://www.stripovi.com/recenzije/zagor-zg-sr-549-550-ponekad-se-vracaju/1350/ |
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tinton
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solar
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tinton
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going going
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Posted - 29/03/2014 : 19:46:42
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Ja se bas radujem pocetku JA sage u Veselovim izdanjima. Ovog sada cetvrtka izlaze Odabrane price ,,Kraken". Epizoda koju do sada nisam citao ali jedva cekam da je se docepam. Posle toga za nedelju dana izlazi uvertira ,,Ponekad se vracaju" i eto pocela JA saga!
Samo mislim da su morali da pocnu ranije sa izdavanjem tih epizoda vezanih za kontinuitet, a ne tek sada posto ce ljudi onda uporedo da citaju ovo novo bez svog znanja sta se desilo pre. Naprimer prvo ce da proctiaju #1 Kaina pa onda u redovnoj #3 Kaina pa ce tek posle kada izdaju u Odabranim da procitaju #2 Kaina. Ja taj problem nemam jer sam nabavio tu Africku sagu a i sve epizode pre Krakena, samo mi jos Kraken nedostaje.
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solar
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Posted - 29/03/2014 : 19:48:01
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quote: Originally posted by tinton
 Ajd ja ću. Za koliko dolazi u VČ otprilike?
Pa sljedeći broj bi trebao biti taj uvodni (Burattini/Pesce) što sam ga spomenuo. |
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tinton
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Posted - 29/03/2014 : 19:48:06
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Jedino mi dodje žao kako svi znamo da to dolazi. Kako bi samo bilo lijepše da samo kupim novi strip, a ono zagor susreće Kaina i Dextera i ie u Južnu ameriku na neodređeno. Šteta.  |
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solar
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Posted - 29/03/2014 : 19:49:41
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quote: Originally posted by tinton
Jedino mi dodje žao kako svi znamo da to dolazi. Kako bi samo bilo lijepše da samo kupim novi strip, a ono zagor susreće Kaina i Dextera i ie u Južnu ameriku na neodređeno. Šteta. 
Da. Sa internetom se dosta izgubila draz iznenadjenja koja je sledeca epizoda.
Ludens bi sa ovim trebalo da krene valjda za godinu i po ili 2.
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tinton
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Posted - 29/03/2014 : 19:58:49
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Po mom izračunu Ludens od VČ kasni samo 9 mjeseci. Znači manje više toliko.
Što se ovog tiče, nadam se da ću se primorati otići s foruma makar ovog dijela gdje najavljuju šta dolazi.  |
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going going
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Posted - 29/03/2014 : 20:10:35
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quote: Originally posted by tinton
Po mom izračunu Ludens od VČ kasni samo 9 mjeseci. Znači manje više toliko.
Što se ovog tiče, nadam se da ću se primorati otići s foruma makar ovog dijela gdje najavljuju šta dolazi. 
Jeste. Moja greska, kasne 10 brojeva.
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tinton
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pcoro
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Posted - 29/03/2014 : 20:33:22
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[/quote] Stvar i jeste u tome sto objektivnost u sustini ne postoji. Ako ja, sasvim objektivno kazem, da je Ferri na svom vrhuncu nesto najbolje sto je SBE proizveo, ti se neces sloziti sa mnom i pripisaces mi subjektivnost. Za tebe je objektivan onaj stav koji se poklapa sa tvojim misljenjem. Ukoliko volis Villu i cujes komentar da je on najbolji, to ce za tebe biti objektivno, za mene ne. Naravno, ne govorim samo o tebi, to je slucaj kod svih nas.
Mozemo uzeti i jedan drugi primjer, recimo za mene je Alex Ross sasvim objektivno najbolji crtac stripova svih vremena. Ima fotorealistican i perfektan crtez, jednostavno bez mane. Pa sada pogledaj malo ocjene na recenziji: http://www.stripovi.com/recenzije/strip-album-album-klo-sp8-kraljevstvo-tvoje/1690/ Da li sam ja objektivan sa tim komenatarima i desetkama? Ili je mozda Macan, legenda nasih i internacionalnih stripova, covjek koji je kompetentan kao rijetko ko drugi na ovom nasem Balkanu? Mislim, ipak je on Macan! Covjek koji je pisao superherojske price i Paju Patka. Neki bi rekli "njegova je sveta", svako ko misli drugacije nema pojma. Sta reci na to? O tome pricam cijelo vrijeme, ne postoji objektivnost, postoje ukusi. Pa cak i veliki i popularni autori imaju svoje ukuse. Siguran sam da ima umjetnika koji su veca imena od Macana i kojima je Kraljevstvo tvoje vrh strip industrije. Ukus im se podudara sa mojim, pa ispade da sam ja, jer sam na njihovoj strani u ovom slucaju, objektivniji od Macana, zar ne?! Ne! Stvar ukusa! Nista od objektivnosti, nista od crtackog iskustva, nista od konzumiranja stripova decenijama, nista od svega toga daje nekome za pravo da prica u tudje ime i proglasi se objektivnim. [/quote]
Ma mene je samo malo zasmetalo što si na prilično realnu primjerdbu da Ferri nije ni u top 30 Bonellija odmah odigrao na tu kartu o objektivnosti i ukusima o kojima se ne raspravlja. Želim ukazati na to da objektivno Ferri crta tanke noge, ružnjikave žene i Komandant Mark mu sliči na Zagora. Također, mislim da nema većih umjetnika od Macana kojima je Kraljevstvo vrh strip industrije. Ross ima ukočeni fotorealistični stil kojeg je lako mrziti i svi umjetnici jedva čekaju da ga pogledaju s prezirom i odmahnu rukom, kao nije to to, crtež je za 5/10, nema duše |
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ike666
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Posted - 29/03/2014 : 20:56:07
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Ja ću nabrojati samo meni najdraže
LIGA ZA SEBE: Ferri
1.LIGA Esposito bros Verni Torricelli Nuccio Della Monica Venturi Piere Bisi Prisco Di Vitto bros i meni jako dragi a i dobri: Pepe, Bignotti, Donatelli (RIP)
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King Warrior
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Posted - 29/03/2014 : 21:32:20
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quote: Originally posted by pcoro
Želim ukazati na to da objektivno Ferri crta tanke noge, ružnjikave žene i Komandant Mark mu sliči na Zagora.
Ja bas mislim da crta lijepe i umiljate/cedne zene. A o slicnosti likova, pa to je bolna tacka 99% crtaca, cak i onih najpriznatijih, od Manare do Busceme. No dobro, to bi trebao da bude vrhunski dokaz da je Ferri los crtac.
quote: Originally posted by pcoro
Ross ima ukočeni fotorealistični stil kojeg je lako mrziti i svi umjetnici jedva čekaju da ga pogledaju s prezirom i odmahnu rukom, kao nije to to, crtež je za 5/10, nema duše
Da, "nema duse" je vecini sigurno najbolji argument. Pretpostavljam da si tu u pravu, "lako ga je mrziti", pogotovo ako je u stanju da uradi nesto sto rijetko ko drugi moze. Propratni efekat svakog superstara, bez obzira iz kojeg medija.
quote: Originally posted by pcoro
Ma mene je samo malo zasmetalo što si na prilično realnu primjerdbu da Ferri nije ni u top 30 Bonellija odmah odigrao na tu kartu o objektivnosti i ukusima o kojima se ne raspravlja.
Pa barem sam sa tim ukazao na to da se misljenja razlikuju i da treba akceptirati i ukuse drugih ljudi, dok si ti upravo nastupio sa stavom "Ja znam najbolje i tacka". Ali ok, ovo je jedan od onih momenata gdje vidim da diskusija nigdje ne vodi.
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Brdar
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Posted - 29/03/2014 : 21:55:36
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Evo moje liste crtaca:
1. FERRI
Slijede ostali, ne nuzno ovim redoslijedom (svi nabrojani su mi ok, oni koje nisam nabrojao nisu mi interesantni):
- Donatelli - Bignotti - Pepe - Torricelli - Andreucci - Laurenti - Della Monica - Chiarola - Marcello - Dotti - Piccinelli - Rubini - Nuccio - Bisi - Prisco - Esposito Bros. - Polese - Venturi - Barison
Scenaristi (ne nuzno ovim redoslijedom):
- Nolita - Sclavi - Capone - Boselli
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Posted - 29/03/2014 : 23:21:09
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
quote: Originally posted by Bruce Springsteen
Na spisaku nisam stavio Charlasa jer mi je nepoznat...
To je onaj tip sto je nacrtao francusku epizodu "Sakem bez perja". Pljunuti Galep iz ranog perioda.
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tinton
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Posted - 29/03/2014 : 23:25:45
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quote: Originally posted by velka031
quote: Originally posted by tinton
S novom 2015. počinje i JA saga. 
To se mora nabaviti i od Veselog, tko ce docekati 
Ja na žalost.
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ike666
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Posted - 29/03/2014 : 23:42:29
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Mene uvijek od tih odiseja najviše veseli Zagorov povratak u Darkvud jer ga uvijek čeka neka mega-pizdarija. Nažalost moram reći da sam razočaran odabirom Mortimera koji ga čeka poslije JA, jer mislim da je kao lik dao svoje, puno pojavljivanja u kratko vrijeme, sa silaznom tendencijom zanimljivosti (prvi susret s njim bio mi je vrhunski, ali zadnji puta me već lagano smorio). Hellingen bi bio otrcan, nekako sam se nadao Supermajku - to bi po meni bila vrhunska fora - da je on sjeo na darkvudski tron dok se Zagor smucao po JA... |
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Posted - 29/03/2014 : 23:49:11
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Mortimer nikad nije bio prvi izbor za belaj poslije Zagorovog putovanja. To je originalno trebala biti priča koja je prebačena u Gigant #2 (Čovjek koji je pobijedio smrt), jednako tako je na to mjesto trebala upasti priča iz trećeg giganta sa Zagorovom majkom ali i ona je prebačena, tako da je Mortimer tek treći izbor. |
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