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igor 12
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 08:08:19
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ovi koji tvrde da je pjesma plagijat neka pročitaju blog KAJ TE BRIGA od glazbenika i glumca IGORA BAKSE..puno će im stvari biti jasnije.čovjek govori ono o čemu ja govorim a neki uporno udaraju po svome |
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Oki
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 14:14:13
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Naravno da je plagijat,ali kako sam već na onom zaključanom topicu rekao: Plagijat je relevantan pojam i u današnje vrijeme je sveprisutan u glazbi,filmu,stripu...pitanje je samo tko može napraviti bolji?
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lwood
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 14:20:47
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quote: Originally posted by Oki
Naravno da je plagijat,ali kako sam već na onom zaključanom topicu rekao: Plagijat je relevantan pojam i u današnje vrijeme je sveprisutan u glazbi,filmu,stripu...pitanje je samo tko može napraviti bolji?
ok,ti baren priznaješ da je plagijat za razliku od nekih šta misle da je ovo oriđiđi.  a sad mi objasni ono šta san te pita u drugom topicu. po čemu je tomson bolji od rozge i sevke? ima bolje plagijate?  |
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Oki
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 14:34:06
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@lwuud Zar se može uraditi ikakva usporedba ako je riječ o glazbi? Thompson bar napravi plagijat kako Bog zapovida,a što je ovo što rade Severina i Rozgva...to je kao kad pomješaš recimo 10 vrsti raznoraznih žestokih pića,popiš na eks, ispovračaš i to je novi hit Sevke ili Rozgve.... |
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lwood
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Oki
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 14:44:10
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E i ima još jedna razlika...evo recimo da navedeni pjevač i pjevačice upadnu u financijsku krizu...na koji način bi se isti munjevito mogli izvuči iz iste? ...netko bi snimio filmić,a netko bi jednostavno prestao pjevati... |
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Oki
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 14:45:38
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quote: Originally posted by lwood
znači razlika je baš u ovome šta san spomenia.bolji plagijati.

Neg što da su bolji...samo mi nije jasno koga Sevka i Rozgva plagiraju? |
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lwood
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 14:55:54
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quote: Originally posted by Oki
E i ima još jedna razlika...evo recimo da navedeni pjevač i pjevačice upadnu u financijsku krizu...na koji način bi se isti munjevito mogli izvuči iz iste? ...netko bi snimio filmić,a netko bi jednostavno prestao pjevati...
znači sad smo došli i do moralne pouke. a slušaj to je opet subjektivno svačanje,nekome je moralniji neko šta snimi pornič nego šta je.e mater nekome šta je glasa za nekog šta se nekom ne sviđa pa to i opjeva. |
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lwood
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 14:56:46
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quote: Originally posted by Oki
quote: Originally posted by lwood
znači razlika je baš u ovome šta san spomenia.bolji plagijati.

Neg što da su bolji...samo mi nije jasno koga Sevka i Rozgva plagiraju?
npr rozga je kopirala beyonce na izvedbi na porinu. po nastupu |
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Oki
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 15:10:15
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quote: Originally posted by lwood
quote: Originally posted by Oki
quote: Originally posted by lwood
znači razlika je baš u ovome šta san spomenia.bolji plagijati.

Neg što da su bolji...samo mi nije jasno koga Sevka i Rozgva plagiraju?
npr rozga je kopirala beyonce na izvedbi na porinu. po nastupu
Ne znam ni što Rozgva pjeva,znam samo da je nešto krajnje neugodno i nerazumljivo,a kamoli da znam kako nastupa...a za bayonce također isto, nit imam pojma tko je nit znam što pjeva... |
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lwood
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 15:45:36
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ne znaš a maloprije si reka da je to sranje i da češ ispovračat?  nije li to kontradiktorno? i opet se sve svodi na osobnu razinu,neko voli gledat sevka/rozga itd čmarove i sise neko pak tomsonove He man perfomanse s plastičnim mačevima. i opet ne znan po čemu je ovaj drugi bolji? |
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Oki
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 16:06:23
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quote: Originally posted by lwood
ne znaš a maloprije si reka da je to sranje i da češ ispovračat?  nije li to kontradiktorno? i opet se sve svodi na osobnu razinu,neko voli gledat sevka/rozga itd čmarove i sise neko pak tomsonove He man perfomanse s plastičnim mačevima. i opet ne znan po čemu je ovaj drugi bolji?
...nisi me dobro shvatio (ili se ja nisam dobro izrazio) jel neš' od mene čut kontradiktornu izjavu...neki dan mi televizija radi na CMC-u...pustim onako da svira, nije mi bitna slika. ...i naleti tako neki spot od Rozgve, onako "skup spot u 3pm"-tanca i skakuće Rozgva,kamera ide cijeli spot oko nje...i pjeva ona tako cijeli taj spot i pjeva, ali ja nemam pojma što ona pjeva! Jednostavno je ne razumim,pa je logično da nemam pojma o čemu baljezga... |
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Oki
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 16:09:36
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...a s druge strane, Thompsona u ovom hitu godine razumijem u potpunosti, čak mi je i pjesma vrlo ugodna za poslušat iako mu je cijeli ovaj zadnji album promašaj... |
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andjusticeforall
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Oki
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 16:48:13
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quote: Originally posted by andjusticeforall
quote: Originally posted by Oki
...a s druge strane, Thompsona u ovom hitu godine razumijem u potpunosti, čak mi je i pjesma vrlo ugodna za poslušat iako mu je cijeli ovaj zadnji album promašaj...
Rozgva je bolja pička od Thompsona
...potpisujem... |
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Oki
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Darth Ivan
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 22:48:20
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Iskreno, nije mi to uopće palo na pamet, al sad kad si spomenuo, da, plagijat.
Očito je danas kod nas takvo što moderno. |
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lwood
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 22:50:20
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quote: Originally posted by Oki
Severina je bolja glumica od Rozgve...glumila je u onom nekom bosanskom filmu, jel da?
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lwood
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Darth Ivan
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 23:03:58
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quote: Originally posted by Johnny Difool
I ne samo to. Prije 21 godinu Porin je pokrenut baš kao protuteža ondašnjem estradnom smeću, kao afirmacija kvalitetnije glazbe nasuprot uglavnom danceu, i na takvoj manifestaciji Thompsonu ne bi smjelo biti mjesta jer je oličenje upravo onog protiv čega je Porin izvorno bio.
I Porin se već odavno srozao na niske grane i postao nagrađivanje trash pjesama. Isto ko Eurosong   
Mislim, kaj je Rozgina ona šugava Nirvana, jedna od najgorih skladbi ikad napisanih u zadnjih nekoliko godina jebote, dobila nominaciju? WTF???
quote: Oličenje šunda, plagijatorstva, igranja na jeftine emocije i podilaženja publici, rajcanja nacionalnih (nacionalističnih) sentimenata itd. Da se Dražen Vrdoljak i Darko Glavan dignu iz groba, od sramote bi se odmah vratili natrag.
Thompson se bavi plagiranjem već dobrih 15 i više godina, tak da nije iznenađujuće. Od još nekih njegovih plagijata (ujedno i najvećih hitova) pada mi na pamet "Iza devet sela", što je ustvari od ABBA -e "Super Trouper", brijem da je i za tu pjesmu osvojio hrpetinu nagrada.
Inače, zašto misliš da Thompson kao igra na jeftine emocije i podilaženje, veliča nacionalizam i slično? (pitam samo) |
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Johnny Difool
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Posted - 02/07/2014 : 00:06:14
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Ha čuj, svi su se urotili protiv nas, ugroženi smo od bjelosvjetskih sila i moramo se braniti, (oni neki) zatiru nam tradiciju i nacionalni ponos, moramo opet stati na prvu crtu želimo li opstati, sukus hrvatstva su geni kameni, Dinara, Popovo polje i kvrgave ruke naših ponosnih didova, uvijek nam neki vuci kod izvora mute vodu, pa kad takvoj tematici dodaš mačeve, križeve, crne majice i derivat heavy metal ikonografije križan s Laibachovim (posredno i nacističkim) stilskim izričajem, dobiješ plansko podilaženje publici i titranje nacionalno / tradicionalnim sentimentima, što se uvijek dobro nosi među Morlacima. Thompson u glazbi je ono što je Ivan Aralica već dva desetljeća u prozi, kombinacija mitskog čuvara ognjišta i nacionalnog pop-mistika za široke slojeve publike, koji redovito detektira narodne neprijatelje i poziva na borbu protiv njih.
Edit: tematika i sadržaj praktički svih njegovih pjesama stane u ono "gdje su vuci, vile i hajduci, tamo gdje sam rođen ja", ili kako već ide. Vuci kao simboli surove prirode, vile kao oznaka misticizma i narodnih legendi, hajduci kao simbol borbenosti i nepokornosti našeg naroda gena kamenih, i to je otprilike to.
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Ja necu imati s kim ostati mlad ako svi ostarite, i ta ce mi mladost teško pasti... |
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igor 12
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Posted - 02/07/2014 : 07:55:41
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oho,kad si već prvi počeo sa križanjem Markana i Laibacha i Thompsonovim nacističkim izražajem,deder ti meni ukaži na ta Markanove stilske nacističke izražaje?i u pjesmama i ikonografijama,molim lijepo... |
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igor 12
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Posted - 02/07/2014 : 08:25:11
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pa normalno je da će prvo opjevat svoje gene kamene,Dinaru..pa jel Markan od tamo ili nije?šta bi trebao,pjevat o Sahari,južnomameričkim pampama ili Indijancima?pa normalno da će pjevat o vilama,vucima i hajducima..pajesu li oni likovi iz Hrvatske povijesti,jeli Ivana Brlić Mažuranić pisala o vilama,vucima...kolilo je knjiga hrvatskih pisaca napisano o hajducima..šta bi Markan trebao pjevat,o gremlinima,golumima,hobitima?normalno je da će pjevat o Domovinskom ratu i braniteljima jel je i sam sudionik i pripadnik braniteljskog korpusa.šta bi trebao pjevat o iračko-iranskom ratu?vidim da si se i mačeva dotakao..da imalo znaš o simbolikama znao bi da je mač simbol snage,on svoj mač drži vrhom prema dolje,što je simbol mira a tako zabijen predstavlja svjedočanstvo snage mira.Markan je svoje odratovao,časno i pošteno,kao i većina nas...da,on poziva na borbu protiv narodnih neprijatelja,i samo zlobnik bi mogao pomisliti da ih zove na oružanu borbu.ne,johnny,ne,kroz sva legalna demokratska prava na tu borbu ih poziva...isticanjem simbola,učvršćivanjem vjere,molitvom,glasanjem na izborima,referendumima |
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Johnny Difool
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Posted - 02/07/2014 : 11:10:15
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Hebi ga, ovdje bi nekog vraga morao i znati, recimo to da je Laibach u 80-ima otvoreno eksploatirao nacističku ikonografiju, zbog čega su imali problema i s plakatima i s kompletnim glazbeno-stilskim izričajem. Svi ti MPT-jevi mačevi, crnilo, sugeriranje ratničkih odora i naposljetku otvoreno tematiziranje krvi i tla u pjesmama, jer pozivanje na gene, didovinu, tradiciju, zajedništvo, ratničku prošlost i prijetnje ugrozama jesu u osnovi ideologije krvi i tla, to je derivat nacizma. Ublažen, stiliziran, s onim plastičnim mačem karikiran zbog efektnosti, ali i u ikonografskom i u kostimografskom smislu derivat nacizma.
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