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Kruger
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Posted - 07/01/2015 : 20:56:11
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teler ne bih se baš kladio u taj postotak. bilo je i onih koji su kad su odrasli ( ušli u pubertet i namirisali ženske gaćice ) malo zaboravili na stripove i živjeli po tom pitanju od mlađe/starije braće/rođaka/prijatelja. čitali su što im je došlo pod ruku ne mareći za kvalitetu. cure/djevojke su bile u to vrijem solidno informirane o tome što se događa u svijetu stripa i uglavnom su poprimale stavove starije ili mlađe braće ( koja su im bili prozor u taj svijet ). |
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GGG
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Posted - 09/01/2015 : 08:51:51
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U osnovi se slažem sa Krugerom. Što se mog iskustva tiče uz ZS/LMS se zapravo čitalo malo toga. Ako gledam moju osnovnoškolsku populaciju u približno istom rangu bili su jedino PZ i AF, dok je sve ostalo bilo više manje sporadično - ne sječam se, da bi se Stripoteke kupovale ili mjenjale (tu su bili "jači" Biser strip i Eks). Istina je, da su bile svuda prisutne, ali sam u osnovnoj školi pročitao uglavnom Hogara i slične kratke stripove. Od "glavnih" stripova najpopularniji je bio več pomenuti Konan. Na Stripoteku sam prešao tek krajem osnovne i u srednjoj školi, dok je večina vršnjaka "skrenula" na Sportske novosti, Auto magazin, Antenu (u Slo) i slično. Dok je ZS/LMS, AF i PZ čitalo preko 90% osnovnoškolske populacije, u srednjoj školi je taj postotak pao na <10%, dok se nebonelijevce moglo nabrojti na prste jedne ruke. Zanimljivo je, da se Stripoteka (a i Strip art, Biser strip, Asteriksov zabavnik..) više čitalo u večim gradovima (Ljubljana, Rijeka), dok u Kočevju ili u Gorskom kotaru to skoro niko nije čitao. |
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teller
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Slovenia
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Posted - 09/01/2015 : 09:47:31
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quote: Originally posted by GGG
U osnovi se slažem sa Krugerom. Što se mog iskustva tiče uz ZS/LMS se zapravo čitalo malo toga. Ako gledam moju osnovnoškolsku populaciju u približno istom rangu bili su jedino PZ i AF, dok je sve ostalo bilo više manje sporadično - ne sječam se, da bi se Stripoteke kupovale ili mjenjale (tu su bili "jači" Biser strip i Eks). Istina je, da su bile svuda prisutne, ali sam u osnovnoj školi pročitao uglavnom Hogara i slične kratke stripove. Od "glavnih" stripova najpopularniji je bio več pomenuti Konan. Na Stripoteku sam prešao tek krajem osnovne i u srednjoj školi, dok je večina vršnjaka "skrenula" na Sportske novosti, Auto magazin, Antenu (u Slo) i slično. Dok je ZS/LMS, AF i PZ čitalo preko 90% osnovnoškolske populacije, u srednjoj školi je taj postotak pao na <10%, dok se nebonelijevce moglo nabrojti na prste jedne ruke. Zanimljivo je, da se Stripoteka (a i Strip art, Biser strip, Asteriksov zabavnik..) više čitalo u večim gradovima (Ljubljana, Rijeka), dok u Kočevju ili u Gorskom kotaru to skoro niko nije čitao.
ti si rodom iz mojih krajeva?... |
CITAJTE TELLERA,... DA BI POSTALI BOLJI LJUDI! STRIP JUNAK KOJI UCI POŠTENJU I PRAVDI!
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GGG
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Slovenia
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Posted - 12/01/2015 : 13:08:10
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quote: Originally posted by teller
quote: Originally posted by GGG
U osnovi se slažem sa Krugerom. Što se mog iskustva tiče uz ZS/LMS se zapravo čitalo malo toga. Ako gledam moju osnovnoškolsku populaciju u približno istom rangu bili su jedino PZ i AF, dok je sve ostalo bilo više manje sporadično - ne sječam se, da bi se Stripoteke kupovale ili mjenjale (tu su bili "jači" Biser strip i Eks). Istina je, da su bile svuda prisutne, ali sam u osnovnoj školi pročitao uglavnom Hogara i slične kratke stripove. Od "glavnih" stripova najpopularniji je bio več pomenuti Konan. Na Stripoteku sam prešao tek krajem osnovne i u srednjoj školi, dok je večina vršnjaka "skrenula" na Sportske novosti, Auto magazin, Antenu (u Slo) i slično. Dok je ZS/LMS, AF i PZ čitalo preko 90% osnovnoškolske populacije, u srednjoj školi je taj postotak pao na <10%, dok se nebonelijevce moglo nabrojti na prste jedne ruke. Zanimljivo je, da se Stripoteka (a i Strip art, Biser strip, Asteriksov zabavnik..) više čitalo u večim gradovima (Ljubljana, Rijeka), dok u Kočevju ili u Gorskom kotaru to skoro niko nije čitao.
ti si rodom iz mojih krajeva?...
Jup..., čeprav sem zadnjih 15 let v.d. štajerc (na 7 let LJ študentske podlage...) |
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Kruger
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Croatia
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Posted - 16/01/2015 : 22:44:05
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GGG
hm ...
dobro si zborio i razjasnio situaciju koju sam spomenuo ( ... čak i bolje nego ja ... ), ali koga je to briga?? malo tko će se usuditi izjasniti o onome o čemu iskreno misli. |
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GGG
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Slovenia
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Posted - 22/01/2015 : 14:57:28
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Stripoteka se je tek krajem 80-i profilirala u BD stirp reviju koja je objavljivala BD mainstream. Prije toga Stripoteka je bila mješavina novijih i starijih francuskih stripova, stripova za djecu i odrasle, američkih novinskih stripova, superheroja,.. i kao takva mješavina imala utjecaj više na nivou nekog opčeg informiranja, nego stripovskog odgoja i promoviranja kvalitetnog stripa. To su dosta bolje radili Stripart i kasnije Maxi Superstrip, ali koji niti približno nisu bili toliko popularni. Možda največi dokaz sveprisutnosti i utjecaja Stripoteke je u tome što večina stripaša starije i srednje generacija zna za Ripa Kirbija, Bluberija, Princa Valianta Bernarda Prinsa, Fila Korigana, Tora,... a da zapravo niti jedan strip tih junaka u životu nisu pročitali. |
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ninel
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Serbia
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Posted - 22/01/2015 : 15:19:29
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Stripoteka je bila već u početku profilirana za objavljivanje francuskih stripova, uz poneki engleski strip poput Modesti Blejz ili Karl Viking itd, uglavnom su to bili gotovo sve stripovi, koji su bili premijerno objavljeni u Panorami. U vreme kad je prestala sa dvobrojevima, okrenula se više američkom novinskom stripu i pokoji francuski album, otprilike jednom mesečno so imali neki francuski strip. Stripoteka je imala definitivno veći uticaj nego Strip art, da MaksiSuperStripa ni ne pominjem, to je bilo jedno od najlošijih stripovskih izdanja u Jugi. |
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alexts
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Serbia
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Posted - 22/01/2015 : 16:14:17
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quote: Originally posted by GGG [br To su dosta bolje radili Stripart i kasnije Maxi Superstrip, ali koji niti približno nisu bili toliko popularni
Maxi je na samom dnu spiska ex-YU revija po kvalitetu i konceptu (koji je jedva postojao) - ovo poređenje sa Stripotekom u njegovu korist je čista besmislica.
Za razliku od 100-tina popularnih serijala u Stripoteci, Maxi je imao samo pokušaj reprize popularnog serijala u neodgovarajućem formatu (AF) i neuspeo pokušaj popularisanja jednog novog serijala (Groo). Učinak = 0. |
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Jasko
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Posted - 22/01/2015 : 16:22:42
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quote: Originally posted by alexts
Maxi je na samom dnu spiska ex-YU revija po kvalitetu i konceptu (koji je jedva postojao) - ovo poređenje sa Stripotekom u njegovu korist je čista besmislica.
Za razliku od 100-tina popularnih serijala u Stripoteci, Maxi je imao samo pokušaj reprize popularnog serijala u neodgovarajućem formatu (AF) i neuspeo pokušaj popularisanja jednog novog serijala (Groo). Učinak = 0.
Za ondašnje vreme nije bio učinak nula, dapače imalo je smisla objaviti nešto čega nije bilo u redovnim izdanjima. |
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jaki
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Croatia
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Posted - 22/01/2015 : 17:11:18
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Maxi bi zaslužija dobru ocjenu samo zbog ova dva stripa koja je objavija: Star Slammers Medusa Chain
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Ja sam fetišist papira! |
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alexts
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Serbia
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Posted - 22/01/2015 : 17:51:08
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quote: Originally posted by jaki
Maxi bi zaslužija dobru ocjenu samo zbog ova dva stripa koja je objavija: Star Slammers Medusa Chain
Da su posle prvog broja usledili drugi, treći itd, to bi bilo nešto, ali VPA nije imala snage i sposobnosti da nastavi sa ozbiljnim strip magazinom. Ovako su došli vanredni brojevi (?) - u početku samo sa Alan Fordom, kasnije stidljivo i sa drugim stripovima, dok su na red došli Star Slammers, već je bio pred gašenjem. |
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ninel
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ninel
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ninel
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andjusticeforall
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C Celtic
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Posted - 23/01/2015 : 12:16:36
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quote: Originally posted by GGG
Stripoteka se je tek krajem 80-i profilirala u BD stirp reviju koja je objavljivala BD mainstream. Prije toga Stripoteka je bila mješavina novijih i starijih francuskih stripova, stripova za djecu i odrasle, američkih novinskih stripova, superheroja,.. i kao takva mješavina imala utjecaj više na nivou nekog opčeg informiranja, nego stripovskog odgoja i promoviranja kvalitetnog stripa. To su dosta bolje radili Stripart i kasnije Maxi Superstrip, ali koji niti približno nisu bili toliko popularni. Možda največi dokaz sveprisutnosti i utjecaja Stripoteke je u tome što večina stripaša starije i srednje generacija zna za Ripa Kirbija, Bluberija, Princa Valianta Bernarda Prinsa, Fila Korigana, Tora,... a da zapravo niti jedan strip tih junaka u životu nisu pročitali.
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Mr. Bushido
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Croatia
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Posted - 23/01/2015 : 12:33:05
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quote: Originally posted by andjusticeforall
Pa izlazio je i onaj GRUbijan Gru, Sergia Aragonesa, postoji valjda neko suglasje da je to kvalitetan strip, a i autor...
Koliko vidim, bilo je u Maxi Super Stripu još kvalitetnih stripova.
Star Slammers Walta Simonsona, Sam Pezzo Vittorija Giardina, Latigo Stana Lyndea, The Medusa Chain Ernieja Colóna, Judge Dredd, Calvin & Hobbes... |
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Kruger
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Posted - 24/01/2015 : 16:23:27
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quote: Originally posted by C Celtic
quote: Originally posted by GGG
Stripoteka se je tek krajem 80-i profilirala u BD stirp reviju koja je objavljivala BD mainstream. Prije toga Stripoteka je bila mješavina novijih i starijih francuskih stripova, stripova za djecu i odrasle, američkih novinskih stripova, superheroja,.. i kao takva mješavina imala utjecaj više na nivou nekog opčeg informiranja, nego stripovskog odgoja i promoviranja kvalitetnog stripa. To su dosta bolje radili Stripart i kasnije Maxi Superstrip, ali koji niti približno nisu bili toliko popularni. Možda največi dokaz sveprisutnosti i utjecaja Stripoteke je u tome što večina stripaša starije i srednje generacija zna za Ripa Kirbija, Bluberija, Princa Valianta Bernarda Prinsa, Fila Korigana, Tora,... a da zapravo niti jedan strip tih junaka u životu nisu pročitali.
??? Auuu...
Pa tko je čitao Princ Valijanta? da vidim, nek digne dva prsta. |
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Peyo
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Croatia
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Posted - 24/01/2015 : 17:30:46
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Ima nas barem nekoliko koji znamo čitati pisati, a prilično dobro povezujemo tekst i slike, iako je taj princ Valijant baš zahtjevan ... |
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mr murdoc
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Posted - 24/01/2015 : 17:41:57
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quote: Originally posted by Peyo
Ima nas barem nekoliko koji znamo čitati pisati, a prilično dobro povezujemo tekst i slike, iako je taj princ Valijant baš zahtjevan ...
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Kruger
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Croatia
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Posted - 24/01/2015 : 18:00:20
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quote: Originally posted by Peyo
Ima nas barem nekoliko koji znamo čitati pisati, a prilično dobro povezujemo tekst i slike, iako je taj princ Valijant baš zahtjevan ...
Pa za nas klince je bio zahtijevan ( iako smo znali i čitati i pisati ), Fil Korigana baš i nisam čitao, Tor mi je bio bez veze, a Bluberi jako zanimljiv ali znao sam preskočiti koji kilometarski monolog ili tekst. Ne znam od kud GGG-u Bernar Prins u ovoj priči ( očito se ovdje nešto krije ) jer je Bernard Prins izlazio u Superu, a samo par zadnjih epizoda u Stripoteci ( i to ajmo reć onim novijima ). |
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ninel
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C Celtic
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Posted - 24/01/2015 : 18:34:24
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quote: Originally posted by Kruger
quote: Originally posted by C Celtic
quote: Originally posted by GGG
Stripoteka se je tek krajem 80-i profilirala u BD stirp reviju koja je objavljivala BD mainstream. Prije toga Stripoteka je bila mješavina novijih i starijih francuskih stripova, stripova za djecu i odrasle, američkih novinskih stripova, superheroja,.. i kao takva mješavina imala utjecaj više na nivou nekog opčeg informiranja, nego stripovskog odgoja i promoviranja kvalitetnog stripa. To su dosta bolje radili Stripart i kasnije Maxi Superstrip, ali koji niti približno nisu bili toliko popularni. Možda največi dokaz sveprisutnosti i utjecaja Stripoteke je u tome što večina stripaša starije i srednje generacija zna za Ripa Kirbija, Bluberija, Princa Valianta Bernarda Prinsa, Fila Korigana, Tora,... a da zapravo niti jedan strip tih junaka u životu nisu pročitali.
??? Auuu...
Pa tko je čitao Princ Valijanta? da vidim, nek digne dva prsta.
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Kruger
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Croatia
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Posted - 24/01/2015 : 18:44:18
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quote: Originally posted by ninel
Bernard Prins je od prve do poslednje epizode izlazio u Stripoteci. U Superu su izlazili reprinti.
Djelomična istina, dvije epizode nikad nisu izašle u Stripoteci. Sad bi možda mogli otvoriti temu Stripoteka vs Super. |
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Kruger
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Croatia
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Posted - 24/01/2015 : 18:47:55
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quote: Originally posted by C Celtic
quote: Originally posted by Kruger
quote: Originally posted by C Celtic
quote: Originally posted by GGG
Stripoteka se je tek krajem 80-i profilirala u BD stirp reviju koja je objavljivala BD mainstream. Prije toga Stripoteka je bila mješavina novijih i starijih francuskih stripova, stripova za djecu i odrasle, američkih novinskih stripova, superheroja,.. i kao takva mješavina imala utjecaj više na nivou nekog opčeg informiranja, nego stripovskog odgoja i promoviranja kvalitetnog stripa. To su dosta bolje radili Stripart i kasnije Maxi Superstrip, ali koji niti približno nisu bili toliko popularni. Možda največi dokaz sveprisutnosti i utjecaja Stripoteke je u tome što večina stripaša starije i srednje generacija zna za Ripa Kirbija, Bluberija, Princa Valianta Bernarda Prinsa, Fila Korigana, Tora,... a da zapravo niti jedan strip tih junaka u životu nisu pročitali.
??? Auuu...
Pa tko je čitao Princ Valijanta? da vidim, nek digne dva prsta.

aaauuu ti si starija generacija, al mi mlađi smo se borili, mada ti ne vjerujem da si baš nešto čitao Princ Valijanta.
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