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brni
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Posted - 20/05/2015 : 21:11:19
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Da ocito je Miller ima namjeru otici u tom smjeru di ce zena preuzeti uzde..
Death Proof je odlican primjer, iako je tamo upravo Kurt Russel odradia najveci dio posla, naravno u glumackom smislu.. |
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vukozec
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Posted - 20/05/2015 : 21:15:31
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quote: Originally posted by Johnny Difool
Taj nedostatak emotivnog zaleđa u liku Hardyjevog Maxa je ključna razlika između dviju interpretacija. Gibsona potpuno razumijemo i prihvaćamo na temelju tragedije u prvom dijelu, pa su onda i njegovo "bjesnilo" i ludilo u Drumskom ratniku razumljivi i opravdani.
Toga kod Hardyjeva Maxa nema, a tragična dimenzija se u lik razmjerno slabo, prvoloptaški i sasvim konvencionalno pokušava "upisati" kroz slike koje mu povremeno dolaze u misli i iskrsavaju pred očima, slike djeteta i žene za koje pretpostavljamo da su njegovo dijete i supruga, a koje utječu na njegove reakcije pa čak i kumuju nekim događajima kao što su zarobljavanje i određeni propusti u borbi.
Upravo tako. Ne čini to ovaj novi nužno lošijim filmom, samo bitno drugačijim u samoj srži. |
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Johnny Difool
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panzer
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Posted - 21/05/2015 : 09:00:42
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quote: Originally posted by Torghal
quote: Originally posted by mladjo
Od prva tri najbolji mi je treći, pa drugi, pa prvi. Inače, to mi je rijetkost - da su nastavci bolji od origigija. Ovak na prvu, mogu se sjetiti samo još dva takva filma - Alien 2 i Terminator 2. A ovaj četvrti nastavak mi se čini odličan. Bumo vidli
Ti si prvi za koga znam da mu je treci najbolji.Vecina se lomi izmedju prvog i drugog.Meni osobno je prvi Terminator puno bolji nego dvojka.A sta se tice prva dva Aliena,kao i kod Maxa tesko ih je usporedjivat jer nisu istog zanra.Prvi je horor a drugi akcijski film.Ali oba su izvrsna.
mladjo uvijek želi biti drugačiji od ostalih  |
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panzer
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Posted - 21/05/2015 : 09:03:09
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quote: Originally posted by lwood
quote: Originally posted by mladjo
Od prva tri najbolji mi je treći, pa drugi, pa prvi. Inače, to mi je rijetkost - da su nastavci bolji od origigija. Ovak na prvu, mogu se sjetiti samo još dva takva filma - Alien 2 i Terminator 2. A ovaj četvrti nastavak mi se čini odličan. Bumo vidli
meni je Alien najbolji 4.-ti. pa 3.,pa 2. pa 1.  Terminator mi je prvi najbolji.
lwoode, ti si zbilja jedno neobično stvorenje  |
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mladjo
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Posted - 21/05/2015 : 09:04:09
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quote: Originally posted by Torghal
quote: Originally posted by mladjo
Od prva tri najbolji mi je treći, pa drugi, pa prvi. Inače, to mi je rijetkost - da su nastavci bolji od origigija. Ovak na prvu, mogu se sjetiti samo još dva takva filma - Alien 2 i Terminator 2. A ovaj četvrti nastavak mi se čini odličan. Bumo vidli
Ti si prvi za koga znam da mu je treci najbolji.Vecina se lomi izmedju prvog i drugog.Meni osobno je prvi Terminator puno bolji nego dvojka.A sta se tice prva dva Aliena,kao i kod Maxa tesko ih je usporedjivat jer nisu istog zanra.Prvi je horor a drugi akcijski film.Ali oba su izvrsna.
Tu sam malo i subjektivan jer sam prvo gledao treći nastavak, i to na moru u Filip Jakovu Sjećam se da sam u tom kinu gledao i Plavi grom Ha čuj, meni su svi Alieni isti žanr. Inače i dvojku sam gledao kao klinac u kinu. To je bio doživljaj. Posle sam ga godinama tražil sa VHS-u. Ah ta prethistorijska vremena... |
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mladjo
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Posted - 21/05/2015 : 09:04:57
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quote: Originally posted by lwood
quote: Originally posted by mladjo
Od prva tri najbolji mi je treći, pa drugi, pa prvi. Inače, to mi je rijetkost - da su nastavci bolji od origigija. Ovak na prvu, mogu se sjetiti samo još dva takva filma - Alien 2 i Terminator 2. A ovaj četvrti nastavak mi se čini odličan. Bumo vidli
meni je Alien najbolji 4.-ti. pa 3.,pa 2. pa 1.  Terminator mi je prvi najbolji.
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mladjo
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boddhisatva
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Johnny Difool
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Posted - 21/05/2015 : 09:58:32
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Stave "view gallery" i ja nadobudno krenem razgledati, a ono "1 of 1" i ničega nema. 
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Ja necu imati s kim ostati mlad ako svi ostarite, i ta ce mi mladost teško pasti... |
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Zlotvor
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Posted - 21/05/2015 : 11:23:01
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Ja sam ga pogledao još u nedjelju i kao što je JD prognozirao, došao sam na svoje. 
Manje-više svi su isecirali Maxa pa neću glođat kost na kojoj više nema mesa.
Potencijalni spoiler! Ima jedan dio koji je možda promakao, a meni se posebno sviđa - onaj sa staricom koja, osim što uljeze odstreljuje preciznim hicima u medullu spinalis, u torbi čuva sjemenke raznog bilja kojeg je "u ono vrijeme" bilo pregršt te mu nitko nije posebnu pažnju pridavao. Umire nasilnom smrću, no s osmijehom na licu dok drži svoj vrijedni inventar u rukama. Nakon toga mlada djevojka "preuzima štafetu".
Zašto mi se taj dio sviđa? Valjda zato što se interesantan način osvrće na odnos čovjeka i prirode; čovjeka koji je ignorant, samo uzima i vraća malo do ništa te prirode koja je stara, ali pamti (i čuva!) i zapravo nikad ne umire - ona se, poput fenkisa, ponovno rađa u novoj, mlađoj verziji. 
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Trljam ruke. |
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Johnny Difool
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Posted - 21/05/2015 : 12:13:05
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Ovo je već bolje. A i sjetilo me na ona vremena kad smo u Politikinom zabavniku mogli čitati adaptacije hit-filmova od Indiane Jonesa do Jamesa Bonda Samo za tvoje oči, ponekad i istodobno dok su filmovi igrali u kinima. Dobro, tada su filmovi u naša kina znatno kasnili, ponekad i po koju godinu, ali ipak.
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Ja necu imati s kim ostati mlad ako svi ostarite, i ta ce mi mladost teško pasti... |
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Mr. Bushido
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Posted - 21/05/2015 : 13:59:41
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quote: Originally posted by Torghal
Ako dva glumca glume istu ulogu onda je neminovno i normalno da ih se usporedjuje bez obzira ne veliku vremensku razliku izmedju snimanja treceg i cetvrtog dijela.
Tijekom cijelog filma nijednom nisam imao osjećaj da Hardy tumači isti lik koji je tumačio i Gibson. Jest, postoje poveznice između Gibsonove i Hardyjeve verzije Maxa, ali oni u suštini glume dva različita lika koji dijele isto ime.
Zato ih po meni nema smisla uspoređivati. A toliko sam shvatio i iz intervjua s Millerom, Hardyjem i Theron. |
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Torghal
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Posted - 21/05/2015 : 18:32:46
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Bushido
quote: Originally posted by Torghal
Ako dva glumca glume istu ulogu onda je neminovno i normalno da ih se usporedjuje bez obzira ne veliku vremensku razliku izmedju snimanja treceg i cetvrtog dijela.
Tijekom cijelog filma nijednom nisam imao osjećaj da Hardy tumači isti lik koji je tumačio i Gibson. Jest, postoje poveznice između Gibsonove i Hardyjeve verzije Maxa, ali oni u suštini glume dva različita lika koji dijele isto ime.
Zato ih po meni nema smisla uspoređivati. A toliko sam shvatio i iz intervjua s Millerom, Hardyjem i Theron.
Recimo da si u pravu i da njih dva glume dva razlicita lika,onda je po meni Gibsonov Max puno kompleksnije napisan i puno bolje odglumljen za razliku od Hardyevog koji je povrsno napisan i prosjecno odglumljen.Mozda sad nisam posten prema Hardyu jer je on ipak glumia u jednom filmu za razliku od Gibsonova tri ali to je moje misljenje.I taj odnos Maxa i Furiose koliko god dobro napravljen ipak nije onoliko kompleksan i emocionalan kao odnos Maxa i onog malog ruznog kosonje u drugom dijelu. |
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Torghal
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Posted - 25/05/2015 : 20:27:18
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Ovako gledajući trailer, dvojim da li u kino voditi 9- godišnje sinove... Žena i ja idemo sto posto, ali brijem da je too much za malce. Je li film prekrvav? |
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Posted - 25/05/2015 : 20:42:41
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quote: Originally posted by melkajk
Ovako gledajući trailer, dvojim da li u kino voditi 9- godišnje sinove... Žena i ja idemo sto posto, ali brijem da je too much za malce. Je li film prekrvav?
Ako pitas mene, film nije za klince od 9 godina. |
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nagor
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Posted - 25/05/2015 : 20:51:05
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quote: Originally posted by Torghal
Odlicna recenzija Marka Njegica u Slobodnoj. http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Kultura/tabid/81/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/286501/Default.aspx
Nisam još gledao, ali debeli potpis na ovo ispod. Bilo bi lijepo vidjet kad bi Hollywood opet počeo raditi filmove za odrasle.
Furiozni četvrti “Pobješnjeli Max“ je postapokalipsa za nas, fanove izvorne trilogije, veliki povratak junaka i pukokrvne kaskaderske akcije žigosan “R“ predikatom koji u kina dolazi kao osvježenje nakon mnoštva beskrvnih računalno generiranih “PG-13“ spektakala omiljenih kod mlađarije. Na “Mad Maxu 4“, gnjevnom punk filmu u eri pop filmića, mogla bi se prelomiti budućnost komercijalne “big budget“ kinematografije. Zaradi li “Fury Road“ dovoljno novaca, Hollywood bi mogao ponovno početi praviti blockbustere za odrasl(ij)e gledatelje kao u stara dobra vremena osamdesetih i devedesetih. Kakav bi to prekrasan dan bio! |
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Posted - 25/05/2015 : 21:22:51
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quote: Originally posted by mr murdoc
quote: Originally posted by melkajk
Ovako gledajući trailer, dvojim da li u kino voditi 9- godišnje sinove... Žena i ja idemo sto posto, ali brijem da je too much za malce. Je li film prekrvav?
Ako pitas mene, film nije za klince od 9 godina.
Ma kakvi, ja se znojao pola filma kamoli klinac od 9 godina ima jebenih scena |
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Posted - 25/05/2015 : 21:39:10
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Mad Max je filmcina, ovo se obavezno gleda u kinu. Nisam dugo toliko uzivao u gledanju nekog filma, verovatno sve od Djanga. Za one koje ne znaju, bio je i Gibson u igri, i malo je falilo. Miller je dugo smisljao IV Mad Maxa, oko 2001 bi trebalo poceti snimanje pa se desio 11/9, smanjio se budžet sbog pada Aus $, posle nekoliko godina kad su opet bili spremni, Mel je pao u "probleme", incident sa policijom i navodni antisemitizam i rasizam su zavrsili njegovu karijeru u Hollywoodu.
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Posted - 26/05/2015 : 00:14:35
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quote: Originally posted by mr murdoc
quote: Originally posted by melkajk
Ovako gledajući trailer, dvojim da li u kino voditi 9- godišnje sinove... Žena i ja idemo sto posto, ali brijem da je too much za malce. Je li film prekrvav?
Ako pitas mene, film nije za klince od 9 godina.
Ma kakvi, ja se znojao pola filma kamoli klinac od 9 godina ima jebenih scena |
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Mr. Bushido
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Posted - 26/05/2015 : 09:08:59
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quote: Originally posted by nagor
quote: Originally posted by Torghal
Odlicna recenzija Marka Njegica u Slobodnoj. http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Kultura/tabid/81/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/286501/Default.aspx
Nisam još gledao, ali debeli potpis na ovo ispod. Bilo bi lijepo vidjet kad bi Hollywood opet počeo raditi filmove za odrasle.
Furiozni četvrti “Pobješnjeli Max“ je postapokalipsa za nas, fanove izvorne trilogije, veliki povratak junaka i pukokrvne kaskaderske akcije žigosan “R“ predikatom koji u kina dolazi kao osvježenje nakon mnoštva beskrvnih računalno generiranih “PG-13“ spektakala omiljenih kod mlađarije. Na “Mad Maxu 4“, gnjevnom punk filmu u eri pop filmića, mogla bi se prelomiti budućnost komercijalne “big budget“ kinematografije. Zaradi li “Fury Road“ dovoljno novaca, Hollywood bi mogao ponovno početi praviti blockbustere za odrasl(ij)e gledatelje kao u stara dobra vremena osamdesetih i devedesetih. Kakav bi to prekrasan dan bio!
Eh, recenzija bi bila odlična da se suzdržao od ovakvih komentara.
Nostalgični, "prije je bilo bolje" argumenti ne bi se trebali motati po recenzijama. To samo budi sumnju u sposobnost recenzenta. |
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