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Markos
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Posted - 27/08/2015 : 11:36:04
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quote: Originally posted by Manabo
Slažem se sa Cerichusom da svatko ima pravo odlučiti gdje će svoje novce potrošiti. I ja bi volio da su stripovi jeftiniji i da ih je lakše nabaviti. Lako je nama iz daljine govoriti o svemu i svačemu, a što se događa iza kulisa, kako se pripremaju izdanja, nemamo pojma. Tako onda kad se stalno govori da je štampanje u Srbiji jeftinije (vjerojatno jest), Lavirint "Armadilovo proročanstvo" štampa u Zagrebu. I što sad?
Ja sam bio direktno uključen u tisak Lavirintovog izdanja, pomagao sam Dekari da se to sve realizira. Dekara nije bio zadovoljan kvalitetom tiska srpskih tiskara i onda je, iz očaja, odlučio probati Stegu u kojoj Fibra i Libellus tiskaju zadnjih godina. Prema kalkulacijama koje sam vidio za to konkretno izdanje, cijena tiska u Stegi je 43% veća od cijene od Colorgrafxu, 32% veća nego AMD i 20% veća nego u Simbolu. Dekara je svjesno platio više, nakon što je vidio kako su mu otisnuli isti strip u jednoj od ovih gore navedenih tiskara, jer je htio probati može li to netko napraviti kako treba. Ispalo je da može, ali to i košta. |
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Manabo
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Posted - 27/08/2015 : 11:42:39
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quote: Originally posted by Markos
quote: Originally posted by Manabo
Slažem se sa Cerichusom da svatko ima pravo odlučiti gdje će svoje novce potrošiti. I ja bi volio da su stripovi jeftiniji i da ih je lakše nabaviti. Lako je nama iz daljine govoriti o svemu i svačemu, a što se događa iza kulisa, kako se pripremaju izdanja, nemamo pojma. Tako onda kad se stalno govori da je štampanje u Srbiji jeftinije (vjerojatno jest), Lavirint "Armadilovo proročanstvo" štampa u Zagrebu. I što sad?
Ja sam bio direktno uključen u tisak Lavirintovog izdanja, pomagao sam Dekari da se to sve realizira. Dekara nije bio zadovoljan kvalitetom tiska srpskih tiskara i onda je, iz očaja, odlučio probati Stegu u kojoj Fibra i Libellus tiskaju zadnjih godina. Prema kalkulacijama koje sam vidio za to konkretno izdanje, cijena tiska u Stegi je 43% veća od cijene od Colorgrafxu, 32% veća nego AMD i 20% veća nego u Simbolu. Dekara je svjesno platio više, nakon što je vidio kako su mu otisnuli isti strip u jednoj od ovih gore navedenih tiskara, jer je htio probati može li to netko napraviti kako treba. Ispalo je da može, ali to i košta.
Hvala Marko na pojašnjenju. O tome govorim, nemamo pojma što sve treba napraviti da se strip izda i što se događa da bi se takav posao realizirao. Ali kritizirati znamo.  |
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Markos
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Posted - 27/08/2015 : 11:50:34
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Treba napomenuti da je to samo razlika u cijeni tiska, na to ide još dobrih 30-40 i više posto razlike, zavisi na koju se tiskaru gleda, za špediciju i carinu, tako da je to na kraju Dekaru poprilično koštalo. E sad, to što je on __________ (ubaci po želji) pa je ostavio cijenu izdanja suludo nisku po kojoj treba prodati 490 primjeraka od 500 da pokrije troškove, to je druga stvar. Uglavnom, kvalitet košta. |
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Giuda Ballerino
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Posted - 27/08/2015 : 12:02:58
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Sergio Bonelli Editore zadnjih 25 godina tiska u tiskari Rotolito Lombarda na milijune stranica mjesecno i nema nikad lose otisnute vinjete u stripu. |
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Markos
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Posted - 27/08/2015 : 12:06:07
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quote: Originally posted by Giuda Ballerino
Sergio Bonelli Editore zadnjih 25 godina tiska u tiskari Rotolito Lombarda na milijune stranica mjesecno i nema nikad lose otisnute vinjete u stripu.
Provjerio si svaki primjerak? |
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Djole
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Serbia
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Posted - 27/08/2015 : 12:24:16
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Naravno da ima, jedan od poslednjih Dilana mi ima gomilu fleka na dve strane. A u jednoj od starijih Agencija Alfa fali mi 30 strana stripa. I to je ono čega se sećam. Ko radi, taj i greši.
To po strani, postoji još jedan problem koji dolazi sa neiskim cenama, a to je kvalitet papira. U Srbiji niko ne može da ti garantuje kakav ćeš papir dobiti - zato što njima dobavljač to ne može da garantuje, jer zbog niskih cena sav škart dođe ovde. Pa se ti buniš da papir koji si dobio nije papir koji si tražio, a štampar ti pokaže otpremnicu od dobavljača koja kaže da - jeste, iako očigledno nije. Pa se ti posle nerviraj koliko 'oćeš. |
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Giuda Ballerino
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Posted - 27/08/2015 : 12:24:34
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Stotine ljudi posjecuje talijanske forume, svaki serijal ima svoj forum, i nitko se nikad ne zali, dok ovdje se bas svatko zali na VC i na Ludens. I jos nesto, ima naravno jedan minorni broj krivo otisnutih stripova koji se mogu zamjeniti (rijedje) ili koji se (cesce) prodavaju kao atrakcija po cijeni od 25-30 eura jer su rijetki kao sredozemna medvjedica. |
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Markos
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Posted - 27/08/2015 : 12:35:08
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quote: Originally posted by Djole
Naravno da ima, jedan od poslednjih Dilana mi ima gomilu fleka na dve strane. A u jednoj od starijih Agencija Alfa fali mi 30 strana stripa. I to je ono čega se sećam. Ko radi, taj i greši.
To po strani, postoji još jedan problem koji dolazi sa neiskim cenama, a to je kvalitet papira. U Srbiji niko ne može da ti garantuje kakav ćeš papir dobiti - zato što njima dobavljač to ne može da garantuje, jer zbog niskih cena sav škart dođe ovde. Pa se ti buniš da papir koji si dobio nije papir koji si tražio, a štampar ti pokaže otpremnicu od dobavljača koja kaže da - jeste, iako očigledno nije. Pa se ti posle nerviraj koliko 'oćeš.
Gomilu ljudi to ionako ne zanima, niti to primjećuje. Samo daj da je što jeftinije, nije bitno kakvo je. I onda pljuju po skupljem izdavaču što je "lihvar", "derikoža" itd. |
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Djole
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Serbia
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Posted - 27/08/2015 : 12:44:59
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Nije samo to. Forumi (i masa uopšte) voli da veruje u svoje istine. Neko je skup (ne gledajući ulazne troškove), neko ima savršena ili najbolja izdanja (iako imaju što greške, što kompromise), neke štamparije rade savršeno (iako ne rade), neke rade katastrofalno (iako, naravno ne rade ništa gore od drugih), bilo bi drastično jefitnije da nisu tvrde korice i tome slično.
Šta da se radi. |
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elfak nish
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Markos
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Colt
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 27/08/2015 : 17:02:15
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Zašto je zvuk trajno isključen, nije valjda bilo tako opasno za slušne organe. |
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zlatan bihac
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Posted - 27/08/2015 : 22:07:10
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ako su već imali u planu ići sa bonelli one shot izdanjem, onda su mogli ići sa nekim stripom za kojeg nije izvjesno da bi mogao ubrzo kod nas...neko spomenu belzonija,za njega na bonelli stranici stoji da bi ga trebao izdati PP, ali zato su tu druga izdanja poput darwina ili izgubljene planete, ili druge priče iz miniserija, tropical bluesa, pa i dva one shot izdanja koja nisu dio serijala romanzi a fumetti, banditos i legionar... |
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tinton
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Posted - 28/08/2015 : 09:07:18
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Zašto bi to radili? Pa nisu izdali strip jer je one-shot nego valjda zbog kvalitete ili zbog procjene da će ići. |
Dajte nam Banija Libre;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)!
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Johnny Difool
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Posted - 28/08/2015 : 09:20:17
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Ne vidim u čemu je problem: i jedan i drugi izdavač su procijenili da bi izdavanjem Coney Islanda u skladu sa standardima kakvoće svojih izdanja na tržištu mogli ostvariti određene rezultate.
Tako će otprilike i biti: tko želi SC izdanje, na srpskom jeziku i kvalitetom onakvo kakva je PP i dosad radio, uzet će k tome i jeftiniji strip; tko želi HC izdanje na hrvatskom jeziku i kakvoćom identično ostalim LL-izdanjima Bonellija, uzet će k tome i skuplji strip.
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Ja necu imati s kim ostati mlad ako svi ostarite, i ta ce mi mladost teško pasti... |
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Posted - 28/08/2015 : 10:24:33
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kvaliteta PP izdanja nije ništa lošija libellus, ako ne i bolja, imam ovaj strip doma, nisam ga još pročitao ali kvaliteta je neosporna |
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sergej773
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Posted - 28/08/2015 : 10:49:36
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quote: Originally posted by Koresh
kvaliteta PP izdanja nije ništa lošija libellus, ako ne i bolja, imam ovaj strip doma, nisam ga još pročitao ali kvaliteta je neosporna
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Posted - 28/08/2015 : 11:22:57
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quote: Originally posted by Koresh
kvaliteta PP izdanja nije ništa lošija libellus, ako ne i bolja, imam ovaj strip doma, nisam ga još pročitao ali kvaliteta je neosporna
ma da opće je poznata činjenica su izdanja PP kvalitetnija od libellusa |
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bjelolasica
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teller
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Posted - 28/08/2015 : 12:23:29
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quote: Originally posted by bjelolasica
Svatko neka kupuje ono što mu se više sviđa. Nitko vas ne sili da kupite LIB ili PP.
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CITAJTE TELLERA,... DA BI POSTALI BOLJI LJUDI! STRIP JUNAK KOJI UCI POŠTENJU I PRAVDI!
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tinton
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Posted - 28/08/2015 : 12:25:48
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quote: Originally posted by bubo
quote: Originally posted by Koresh
kvaliteta PP izdanja nije ništa lošija libellus, ako ne i bolja, imam ovaj strip doma, nisam ga još pročitao ali kvaliteta je neosporna
ma da opće je poznata činjenica su izdanja PP kvalitetnija od libellusa
Ako i nisu kvalitetnija, definitivno su podjednako kvalitetna. |
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djukak
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Posted - 28/08/2015 : 13:21:34
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quote: Originally posted by tinton
Ako i nisu kvalitetnija, definitivno su podjednako kvalitetna.
Upravo tako, naravno sa razlikom u koricama. |
They have money for wars, but can't feed the poor!
Allow me to introduce first, Makaveli the Don. |
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Markos
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Posted - 28/08/2015 : 13:29:30
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Colt mi je prijatelj, pa se neće naljutiti. Dakle, vi svi inače ste stručnjaci za tisak i _TOČNO_ znate što je to dobar tisak itd itd? Meni je jasno da običnom čitatelju nema nikakve razlike, međutim, to vas ne čini stručnjacima i kompetentnima za ocjenjivanje kvaliteta. |
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teller
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Posted - 28/08/2015 : 13:53:14
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quote: Originally posted by Markos
Colt mi je prijatelj, pa se neće naljutiti. Dakle, vi svi inače ste stručnjaci za tisak i _TOČNO_ znate što je to dobar tisak itd itd? Meni je jasno da običnom čitatelju nema nikakve razlike, međutim, to vas ne čini stručnjacima i kompetentnima za ocjenjivanje kvaliteta.
 Blago se sefu sajta sa tolikim strucnjakima sa svih podrucja...najvise iz izdavastva.. Ma da izdavac nema pojma kad pocne posao sve bi brzo savladao citajuci forum... Ma Colt je car ali HC i SC nikad nije ni nece biti isto...jedno je limano i sivano izdanje a drugo limano ...nisam strucko pa ako sam lupio glupost oprostite... Uzet cu Libellus ali i drugog Saguara, 3 Aama Wilda i jos ponesto... Posteno, da se nikome ne zamerim.
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CITAJTE TELLERA,... DA BI POSTALI BOLJI LJUDI! STRIP JUNAK KOJI UCI POŠTENJU I PRAVDI!
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