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Tonka24
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Posted - 19/02/2016 : 21:40:09
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Naručuješ s drugog kraja Hrvatske strip koji možeš kupiti u najbližem kiosku?
Da, ako kupim strip želim da je ta strip " pristojno očuvan " Bez savijanja,utora,i nakaženja na koja nailazim dugi niz godina. Odlučio sam se s njima dogovoriti dami svaki mjesec šalju redovno i extra izdanje.
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 19/02/2016 : 23:59:21
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Pročitao nekih 100 stranica, za sada se čini dosta zanimljivo i vuče me da nastavim dalje a ne bih se volio neispavan sutra vratiti sa smjene. Kada sam vidio koliko je jak i uporan onaj ratnik u svom naumu odmah sam iz zezancije rekao sam sebi pa ovaj je indijanska verzija Terminatora... kad ono stvarno... |
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solar
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Posted - 20/02/2016 : 01:07:16
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Dobar osvrt na priču: http://kaisevi.blogspot.hr/2016/02/zagor-profesor-helingen-po-morenu.html
quote: izvadak - SPOJLERI - Prvo, karakter Helingena, brižljivo građen, pa i negovan, tokom prethodnih 5(+1) priča, počev od prvog sukoba na jezeru Iri. Helingen je inteligentan, arogantan, opsednut dominacijom, pa i pomalo lud. Ali ovde imamo pred sobom novog Helingena kome je Buratini pokušao da da istorijsku dubinu i da zadre u njegov život pre Titana i Zagora. Konačni rezultat je neurotik i megaloman opsednut arijevskim i rasističkim idejama o dominaciji posebne rase sa njim na čelu, koji komada crnce i indijance u tajnim eksperimentima pokušavajući da naučno dokaže njihovu inferiornost. A za takvog Helingena, posle više stotina pročitanih stranica u prethodnim decenijama, imamo neuporedivo manje respekta. Helingena koji sebe vidi na čelu Amerike, pa i planete, oslanjajući se na superiornost svoga uma smo voleli i cenili kao protivnika Duha sa sekirom. Ali, kako sada ceniti Buratinijevu verziju koja superiornost uma stavlja ispod eugenike i rasne superiornosti. Helingen je oborio samog sebe na najvažnijem ispitu i umesto (zlog) vizionara imamo sitnu dušu. Po imenu Gart (Buratini trademark).
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angeliczg
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Posted - 20/02/2016 : 02:09:24
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1 Hellingenova prošlost - lijepo ispričana, prihvatljivo 2 žao mi je da Ferri nije crtao kraj cijele priče a ne početak - makar je i ovako OK 3 malo mi scenaristički kiksa broj (mnogo ih je a ne mogu srediti Zagora u 5 minuta) i oblik (znam da nema "pravog" oblika, ali ovaj je pretjerano isti kao...) Hellingenovih vojnika na kraju - ali ovo smo priželjkivali više nego da to nije objavljeno 4 slatko mi je kako Zagor riješi stvar na kraju 5 suptilno nabačena mogućnost nastavka je isto OK
konačna presuda je ova - ako vam je ovo glupa epizoda, sve vam se gadi i nema smisla - priznajte da ste odrasli i pređite na neke druge stripove, Zagora ste prerasli ako vam je pak ovo otvorilo apetit kao meni - jedva čekam povratke mnogih starih neprijatelja |
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Elderane84
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Posted - 20/02/2016 : 02:41:11
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Ma kako da ne... A zasto nisam prerastao Izgubljeni svijet, Skiptar Tin Hinan ili Sertao koji su fakticki izasli neposredno pred ovog Helingena? Dakle, epizoda mi je glupa, i to nema nikakve veze sa mojim godinama, sto vise vremena prolazi, sve sam vise ljut zbog ovog smeca. |
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DODSFERD
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Pitcairn Island
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Posted - 20/02/2016 : 05:54:49
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quote: Originally posted by Elderane84
Ma kako da ne... A zasto nisam prerastao Izgubljeni svijet, Skiptar Tin Hinan ili Sertao koji su fakticki izasli neposredno pred ovog Helingena?
Možda zato jer je u pitanju omiljeni Boselli... gle čuda, baš je on autor sve 3 epizode. |
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teller
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Posted - 20/02/2016 : 07:18:38
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Ja mislim da neki imaju vec podsvesno ugraden cip u glavi... Ako pise Burattini-smece je, Ako pise Boselli-ma vrhunstvo... Sa tim cipom ugeadenim tesko je uzivat u svim Zagorovim stripovima jednako... Slazem se sa angeliczg-ejem..to je odlican strip i prica... Kad se cita u kompletu uzivanje je sigurno vece nego da bi to citali kasapljeno pola godine... Neke je stvarno tesko zadovoljit...jadne vase zene ili cure.  |
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Tonka24
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Posted - 20/02/2016 : 09:24:58
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Jedva čekam da vidim što je tu toliko strašno, 90 % foruma je reklo za priču da je loša pogotovo ovi " jaki " zagorovci...s kojima se baš i ne slažem u dosta slučajeva. |
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solar
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Posted - 20/02/2016 : 09:28:37
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Svak ima neke svoje standarde i ukuse... ja znam što meni valja ili ne valja, a za "presudu" treba pričekati prosječnu ocjenu na recenzijama, tu istina dođe na vidjelo. |
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Tonka24
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solar
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Posted - 20/02/2016 : 09:38:46
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Na individualnoj razini nije, jer se meni nešto sviđa ili ne neovisno o generalnom ukusu, ali svaki serijal ovisi o prodaji - znači ako je neka priča većinski loše prihvaćena tj. ocjenjena, postoji mogućnost gubitka čitatelja, a svi znamo gdje to vodi. |
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Tonka24
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hamzik
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Posted - 20/02/2016 : 10:11:36
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quote: Originally posted by angeliczg konačna presuda je ova - ako vam je ovo glupa epizoda, sve vam se gadi i nema smisla - priznajte da ste odrasli i pređite na neke druge stripove, Zagora ste prerasli ako vam je pak ovo otvorilo apetit kao meni - jedva čekam povratke mnogih starih neprijatelja
Koji bezvezni argument. Ti neutralises (dobar) ukus i sve se kao svodi na godine. Po tvojoj logici meni se nebi svido nijedan Zagor od zadnjih godina. A to jednostavno nije tacno. Meni se ne svida ovo smece. A sto se tice godina, ja bi volio da Burattini odraste, jer ova glupost je toliko naivna i vezana za nostalgiju da je prosto zalosno vidjeti na sta je covjek srozo Zagora i mocnog Hellingena. A da ne govorim o jadnom Ferriju cija legenda blijedi za svaku liniju koju Burattini forsira da maestro crta.
quote: Originally posted by teller
Ja mislim da neki imaju vec podsvesno ugraden cip u glavi... Ako pise Burattini-smece je, Ako pise Boselli-ma vrhunstvo...
Jos jedan prazan argument. Zar se nemoze jednostavno raditi samo o ukusu? Ja sam eto bas juce dao visoku ocjenu Buretovoj Krv Apaca, a ima jos hrpa njegovih prica koje su mi vrhunske. Ali opet Boselli mi je bog i batina jer covjek jednostavno ostavlja Bureta u prasini sto se svega tice. Ali ko je potpiso pricu opet nema nista sa tim. Radi se o samoj prici. Meni se ni Bosselijev Hellingen nije bas previse svidio kada sam ga prvi put procito. Ali nakon ove katastrofe cini mi se ko remek-djelo. Mozda bi ga trebo opet procitati sto prije pa da mu se malo digne ocjena.
Hocu da kazem, ne radi se to o autoru ili o godinama. Svako ima svoj ukus. Kao sto Bure i Boselli imaju svoje. Jedan hoce naprijed i da pravi nove stvari a drugi tone sve dublje i dublje u nostalgiju. Nadam se samo da i Zagor nece potonuti sa njim. |
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PijaniPatak
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solar
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Posted - 20/02/2016 : 10:42:00
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@hamzik Naravno da argument "svaki Zagor je dobar, budite sretni sa svime" nema nikakvog smisla, takav stav (nekolicine forumaša) je štetan jer neminovno vodi gašenju serijala. Nije Zagor postao ovo što jest na lošim i mediokritetskim pričama. Nije Nolitta izgradio serijal na splačinama nego na "Zimskoj zmiji", "Američkoj odiseji", a drugi su nastavili sa "Hiljadu lica straha", "Morskom stravom", "Tajanstvanim samostanom" i sličnim (kvalitetnim) ostvarenjima, a tko ne vidi razliku između tih epizoda i "nekih drugih" je ćorav i nema pojma o Zagoru. |
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teller
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Posted - 20/02/2016 : 10:46:59
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quote: Originally posted by PijaniPatak
Počelo je 
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senokute
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Posted - 20/02/2016 : 11:28:56
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Mislim da se nemoze reci da je prica losa ili da je buratini scenaristicki ogranicen, ali ,,, njegovo shvatanje junaka zagora(sto se u ovoj prici vidi kroz helingena) je u najmanju ruku cudno i zabrinjavajuce. |
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Kauboj
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Posted - 20/02/2016 : 11:30:47
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Nije ovaj Heligen uopce los. Uz sve svoje mane. Jedan od kljucnih razloga : Demoni ludila u svojoj biti nisu Zagor ;), a i Boselijev je na pola puta ;). To su jednostavno jako dobri scenaristicki radovi. A Buretov Heligen je dobar Zagor. ;) |
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nellesky
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NikDime
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Posted - 20/02/2016 : 12:19:29
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quote: Originally posted by hamzik
quote: Originally posted by teller
Ja mislim da neki imaju vec podsvesno ugraden cip u glavi... Ako pise Burattini-smece je, Ako pise Boselli-ma vrhunstvo...
Jos jedan prazan argument. Zar se nemoze jednostavno raditi samo o ukusu? Ja sam eto bas juce dao visoku ocjenu Buretovoj Krv Apaca, a ima jos hrpa njegovih prica koje su mi vrhunske. Ali opet Boselli mi je bog i batina jer covjek jednostavno ostavlja Bureta u prasini sto se svega tice. Ali ko je potpiso pricu opet nema nista sa tim. Radi se o samoj prici. Meni se ni Bosselijev Hellingen nije bas previse svidio kada sam ga prvi put procito. Ali nakon ove katastrofe cini mi se ko remek-djelo. Mozda bi ga trebo opet procitati sto prije pa da mu se malo digne ocjena.
Hocu da kazem, ne radi se to o autoru ili o godinama. Svako ima svoj ukus. Kao sto Bure i Boselli imaju svoje. Jedan hoce naprijed i da pravi nove stvari a drugi tone sve dublje i dublje u nostalgiju. Nadam se samo da i Zagor nece potonuti sa njim.
U određenoj meri potvrđuješ tellerov komentar pokušavajući da ga demantiraš... Recimo kad kažeš "Ali opet Boselli mi je bog i batina jer covjek jednostavno ostavlja Bureta u prasini sto se svega tice." pokazuje tvoj stav prema dvojici autora i to neminovno utiče na "čip-ponašanje", ali opet kažem - u određenoj meri (ipak ne potpuno crno/belo).
Ako ćemo iskreno, to je verovatno potpuno normalna ljudska osobina na kraju krajeva - niko od nas nije imun na predrasude. One donose određena očekivanja i mi ih podsvesno tražimo u svakom trenutku. Može Bure devet od deset puta da bude OK, ali prvi negativni znak (prepričavanje/povratak/šta-god...) i automatski nam dođe: eto znao sam, tipični Bure kao i uvek, potpuno smeće...
Ovo kažem generalno, ti si i sam rekao da ti se neke epizode sviđaju i nije tvoj stav isključivo crno/beli - ali opet, nije i da ne postoji predrasuda. |
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hamzik
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Posted - 20/02/2016 : 13:09:25
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quote: Originally posted by NikDimeOvo kažem generalno, ti si i sam rekao da ti se neke epizode sviđaju i nije tvoj stav isključivo crno/beli - ali opet, nije i da ne postoji predrasuda.
Meni se mnoge Buretove epizode svidaju. Ali jednostavno vise volim Bosellijev stil. To nije nista cudno. Kao sto nije cudno da su mnogi nostalgicni za "starim dobrim danima Nolitte." Ja to nebi zvao predrasudom nego preferencom. Boselli i Burattini, kao i Nolitta i svi ostali sto su pisali i pisu Zagora, se manje ili vise razlikuju u svom nacinu pripovijedanja i normalno da svako ima svoje preference. Ali to i ne znaci da citalac automatski mrzi pricu od jednog samo zato sto preferira drugor. Meni je losa prica losa.
A ima ih i Boselli losih. Samo sto nisu u tolikom broju ko Buretove. Jer Boselli je bar znao kad ce pauzirati sa Zagorom i nije nikad potonuo u hiperprodukciji u kojoj Bure gusi talent koji ocigledno ima i zna pokazati. Nazalost malo prerijetko.
quote: Originally posted by solar
@hamzik Naravno da argument "svaki Zagor je dobar, budite sretni sa svime" nema nikakvog smisla, takav stav (nekolicine forumaša) je štetan jer neminovno vodi gašenju serijala. Nije Zagor postao ovo što jest na lošim i mediokritetskim pričama. Nije Nolitta izgradio serijal na splačinama nego na "Zimskoj zmiji", "Američkoj odiseji", a drugi su nastavili sa "Hiljadu lica straha", "Morskom stravom", "Tajanstvanim samostanom" i sličnim (kvalitetnim) ostvarenjima, a tko ne vidi razliku između tih epizoda i "nekih drugih" je ćorav i nema pojma o Zagoru.
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Elderane84
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Posted - 20/02/2016 : 14:42:34
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A mogli smo se malo i okanuti Boseli/Buratini price. OK, Dodsferd, stavio sam 3 Boselijeve price, evo cu da dodam Buratinijevu Mumiju sa Anda, Rauchovo Selo bezumlja, Buratinijevu Potragu za Zagorom, cak i maksiji onaj sto espozitovci crtaju, pa i Tajanstveni otok i kaznionica na jezeru, sve su to price koje su miljama iznad ovog Helingena. Dakle, nije stvar u prerastanju Zagora, vec u ocaju od price, a da sve bude gore, to je prica sa arhineprijateljem. |
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Rahazlam
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Posted - 20/02/2016 : 16:23:25
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quote: Originally posted by Elderane84
A mogli smo se malo i okanuti Boseli/Buratini price. OK, Dodsferd, stavio sam 3 Boselijeve price, evo cu da dodam Buratinijevu Mumiju sa Anda, Rauchovo Selo bezumlja, Buratinijevu Potragu za Zagorom, cak i maksiji onaj sto espozitovci crtaju, pa i Tajanstveni otok i kaznionica na jezeru, sve su to price koje su miljama iznad ovog Helingena. Dakle, nije stvar u prerastanju Zagora, vec u ocaju od price, a da sve bude gore, to je prica sa arhineprijateljem.
Ako su Tajanstveni otok i Kaznionica na jezeru miljama ispred ovog onda mora da je ovo teško sranje,ipak nevjerujem ovo uzimam sutra ili prekosutra... |
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Džedson
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Posted - 20/02/2016 : 18:10:57
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bure s lakoćom od ikone zla hellingena napravio živčanu rasističku verziju roberta graya. i sad je to dio kanona, ne moš izbrisat. ajmo bure tog supermikea, što se čeka. da je nolitta živ, naganjao bi ga po zgradi sa sjekirom... |
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velka031
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Posted - 20/02/2016 : 18:25:27
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quote: Originally posted by solar
@hamzik Naravno da argument "svaki Zagor je dobar, budite sretni sa svime" nema nikakvog smisla, takav stav (nekolicine forumaša) je štetan jer neminovno vodi gašenju serijala. Nije Zagor postao ovo što jest na lošim i mediokritetskim pričama. Nije Nolitta izgradio serijal na splačinama nego na "Zimskoj zmiji", "Američkoj odiseji", a drugi su nastavili sa "Hiljadu lica straha", "Morskom stravom", "Tajanstvanim samostanom" i sličnim (kvalitetnim) ostvarenjima, a tko ne vidi razliku između tih epizoda i "nekih drugih" je ćorav i nema pojma o Zagoru.
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