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kasper
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doom
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Posted - 12/10/2016 : 12:24:01
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quote: Originally posted by karven Drveće, ljudi, kuće magično nestaju i menjaju dimenzije od jedne do druge sekvence... Tu je toliko brljotina da je strašno. Ali, sreća njegova pa forma približnosti skupa linija liče na Ferijeve, pa to ljudi gutaju. Nemam problema sa time, ali on je daleko od zanatski dobro odrađenog posla. On je uspeo da na svoje neznanje stavi masku ferijanstvolikosti, čime na notu nostalgije udara mnogima u žicu. Ali nije greh reći da to ne prolazi baš kod svih. Nekima bode oči ono što drugima ne smeta, i to je sve.
Hm, pa nebih bas rekao tako. Kod Nuccija se ovo daleko vise primjeti, greske u proporcijama kuca, ruku itd. Kod njega se bas vidi kako za neke kadrove ulaze daleko vise truda dok za druge i napravi reda radi. Kod Vernija to sve funkcionira i cini se naizgled lijepo onome tko se ne razumije bas perfektno u strip. Mozda Verni nema tu dubinu i osjecaj kao vrhinski crtaci poput Ville, Castellinija itd,ali to sve funkcionira jako dobro. Zadnji Mortimer je skoro pa perfektan. |
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doom
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Posted - 12/10/2016 : 12:29:11
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Evo npr.
 Uzmite u obzir da je ovo krupni kadar i ovako kardinalna greska. Toga u Vernija nema. |
Edited by - doom on 12/10/2016 12:29:32 |
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Beva
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emirem
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Posted - 12/10/2016 : 14:01:49
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Koliko su samo mornari uzadi vukli i mreza izvlacili na palubu, a zamjeriti autoru crteza sto stari morski vuk zbog profesionalne deformacije ima artriticno-reumatoidni prst. 😜 Da, a druga slika je poput netom konzumiranja limenke spinata. Fali sidro tattoo. 😎
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kasper
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Posted - 12/10/2016 : 14:04:53
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, ljudi pa ovo je urnebesno
quote: Originally posted by Beva
quote: Originally posted by doom
Toga u Vernija nema.
Slažem se da Nuccio griješi više (uglavnom jer sam postavlja scene, nema ih već gotove), ali ima takvih stvari i kod Vernija. Posljednji Mortimer:

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kasper
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Posted - 12/10/2016 : 14:09:07
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joj umrecu , sta je ovo jebote. beva je l se ti ovo nesto spdras ili je ovo stvarno objavljeno negde? |
Edited by - kasper on 12/10/2016 14:10:03 |
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Beva
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Posted - 12/10/2016 : 14:09:40
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quote: Originally posted by kasper
, ljudi pa ovo je urnebesno
I ja sam isto reagirao :)
Potražio sam talijanski sken posljednjeg Mortimera da vidim o čemu je riječ, i iako svi spominju savršen crtež, meni je to i dalje isti Verni. Ne mogu se prisiliti na čitanje stripova koje je on crtao ni uz najbolju volju. Plus što sam sad još uvjereniji da i dalje kopira Ferrija, sve su to poznate Zagorove poze. |
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Beva
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 12/10/2016 : 14:55:17
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Sigurno u stripovima postoji 100 000 000 totalno različitih poza pa je nemoguće napraviti takvu koja je identična nekoj prijašnjoj. Ne sjećam se da je Ferri znao Zagoru nacrtati tako veliku šaku, kako se to moglo dogoditi Verniju ako stalno precrtava, i to preko takozvanog stakla gdje ne bi smio pogriješiti ni za milimetar.  |
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zeljko
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adriano
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zeljko
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Beva
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Posted - 12/10/2016 : 15:09:26
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quote: Originally posted by DODSFERD
Sigurno u stripovima postoji 100 000 000 totalno različitih poza pa je nemoguće napraviti takvu koja je identična nekoj prijašnjoj. Ne sjećam se da je Ferri znao Zagoru nacrtati tako veliku šaku, kako se to moglo dogoditi Verniju ako stalno precrtava, i to preko takozvanog stakla gdje ne bi smio pogriješiti ni za milimetar. 
Prvo što sam pomislio kad sam vidio ovo je da je vjerojatno precrtavao s Ferrijevog kadra na kome je odrezana šaka pa ju je Verni docrtao :)
Druga mogućnost je da je ovo originalni Verni.
A evo kako funkcionira stol za precrtavanje, nije to ne znam kakav SF:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az9PWjvrmD8
Ne kažem da ga Verni 100 % koristi, to je moje mišljenje. Naravno, bilo je milijun video uradaka ostalih crtača dok crtaju, nek netko snimi Vernija (ili on sam sebe) i znat ćemo. |
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senokute
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Posted - 12/10/2016 : 17:51:13
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quote: Originally posted by Beva
quote: Originally posted by doom
Toga u Vernija nema.
Slažem se da Nuccio griješi više (uglavnom jer sam postavlja scene, nema ih već gotove), ali ima takvih stvari i kod Vernija. Posljednji Mortimer:

Nije bas da mi je namjera uporedjivati ovu dvojicu, ali hajde ako se bas kacite za te sitnice,,,u cemu je ovde razlika?
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emirem
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Posted - 12/10/2016 : 18:05:51
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Sheriff nosi znacku na lijevoj strani blizu srca. |
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senokute
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Posted - 12/10/2016 : 18:21:57
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quote: Originally posted by emirem
Sheriff nosi znacku na lijevoj strani blizu srca.
Jok, nego gdje je Tex nabavio onako mali sesir??? |
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 12/10/2016 : 18:57:12
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Kada bolje pogledam rekao bih da šerif ima malo pretanak vrat u odnosu na veličinu glave. |
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zeljko
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doom
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Posted - 12/10/2016 : 21:06:08
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quote: Ne kažem da ga Verni 100 % koristi, to je moje mišljenje. Naravno, bilo je milijun video uradaka ostalih crtača dok crtaju, nek netko snimi Vernija (ili on sam sebe) i znat ćemo.
https://youtu.be/MAlUE78pniE
Nebih rekao da ovako moze crtati covjek koji nezna nista drugo nego bukvalno percrtavati, a kamoli netko tko je crtacki analfabet. Tako da sve one gadurije koje su recene nisu bas tocne. Lako je uzeti komad papira i olovcicu i onako precrtati, ali ipak se treba nauciti baratati kistom i tusem. Verni je jedan od rijetkih koji i na festivalima crta originalnim priborom (ne uvijek, valjda zbog ogranicenog vremena). Tako da se ovi crtezi od forumasa koji kao dokazuju lako je kopirati nemogu uzimati zaozbiljno. I to sve pljuvanje po Verniju je isto uvreda za samog covjeka, mozda on nije objektivno gledajuci u rangu ostalih profesionalnih crtaca jer nema svoj stil, nema svoje ja, uostalom, covjek je i sam priznao da nema nekog osjecaja za perspektivu, da nema fotografsko pamcenje, ali uvrede kakve dobiva ne zasluzuje.
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nagor
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Beva
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Posted - 12/10/2016 : 21:34:33
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Sve što sam rekao o njemu sam je rekao u intervjuu, da nema talenta i da precrtava. Kako su to gnjusne uvrede ako dolaze od njega samog.
a sjećam se da su ljudi govorili da je na CRŠ-u crtao samo Zagora, netko je htio Hellingena ali ga Verni nije znao nacrtati. Lako je naučiti crtati Zagora u istoj pozi.
Mene zanima kako nastaje njegova tabla. Vidim kad čitam da su to Ferrijeve poze, pa čak i taj zadnji Mortimer. Oni koji kažu da nema puno poza i da se moraju poklapati nisu u pravu, bezbroj je načina na koje se može nacrtati ista stvar.
I nisam ja rekao da on zna samo precrtavati, nego da precrtava kad radi stripove. I dijete bi za tolike godine naučilo nešto. Ali prilika koju je Verni dobio nije fer prema nekim talentiranijim crtačima, a po meni tu priliku još nije opravdao. Kerca su svojevremeno odbili na MM-u, a Vernija je Burattini pogurao preko veze. Ali svakom svoje, uživajte u njegovom crtežu ako možete, meni ne uspijeva. |
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Beva
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Posted - 12/10/2016 : 21:36:10
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quote: Originally posted by nagor
Uh, vidi ovu Texovu malu glavu... Villa kopirant! Ili je možda samo loš? Nije umjetnik? Ma ne volim ga više...
Ja vam ne pokušavam reći da ne trebate više voljeti Vernija, nego objašnjavam zašto je meni ogadio Zagora. Ako je zabranjeno pričati o stripovima na forumu o stripovima, ispričavam se i odoh u svaštaru. |
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nagor
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Posted - 12/10/2016 : 21:51:25
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Beva, tvoje analize uvijek volim pročitati.
Samo ti pokušavamo reći, da nije potrebno voljeti niti cjeniti Vernija, ali to da je ogadio Zagora zbog par loše precrtanih kadrova velikog Ferrija je ipak pretjerano. Verni nije neka perjanica serijala (perjanice Zagora su sada ionako na Texu) da bi njegov crtež imao neku veću težinu. Da je Ferri tako radio onda bi debata imala više smisla. Ne isplati se gubiti san zbog toga što jedan crtač pokušava imitirati najvećega. ;) |
Edited by - nagor on 12/10/2016 21:51:54 |
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Beva
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