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Dexters
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Croatia
1526 Posts
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Posted - 27/08/2018 : 14:36:14
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King je ultimativni fan, možda i najveći, i kroz tu prizmu ga treba posmatrati. Ne kao stručnjaka za Zagora, jer nije Zagor stručna/znanstvena literatura gdje bi se "znanje" moglo objektivizirati. On je zapravo poprilično nostalgičan, što se vidi iz njegovih top25, ali ipak čovjek ima stvarno fanatičnu ljubav- zbog toga nekad dolazi do nesuglasica, jer on osjeća da mora biti prvi na liniji obrane, iako obrana uopće nije potrebna. |
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tinton
stripovi.com suradnik
    
United Kingdom
19815 Posts
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Dexters
Senior Member
   

Croatia
1526 Posts
Member since 05/08/2018 |
Posted - 27/08/2018 : 14:44:44
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Ovaj forum je poznat po tome što ga mnogo ljudi prati, ali se rijetki usude napokon registrirati, a pogotovo se rijetki usude nešto napisati :) |
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tinton
stripovi.com suradnik
    
United Kingdom
19815 Posts
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Dexters
Senior Member
   

Croatia
1526 Posts
Member since 05/08/2018 |
Posted - 27/08/2018 : 14:55:40
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ovaj problem očigledno nikog ne zanima.

Mene je osobno odvraćalo od registracije/sudjelovanja gadosti, i nepristojnosti koje su na dnevnoj bazi pojavljivale: ne valja priča, ne valja crtež, ne valja junak, ne valja prijevod, ne valja ritam, ne valja način izdavanja, ne valja izdavač- dakako uz poprilično nepristojan riječnik. Sad se ipak lagano smirilo sve to :)
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Kruger
Advanced Member
    

Croatia
17248 Posts
Member since 25/10/2001 |
Posted - 27/08/2018 : 15:00:14
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quote: Originally posted by Dexters
Tu sam te čekao, ako je to istina- onda je naivno da vrač bude na toj udaljenosti i izvodi svoj ples- dakle s pozicije realizma je to onda neuvjerljivo scenarističko rješenje.
Sad ti radiš pogrešku, uspoređuješ dva različita stila. Ovo što si naveo, nije ništa čudno, već su ti objasnili. Imaš situaciju u zadnjem broju gdje se događa Stockholmov sindrom ( žrtva se zaljubljuje u svojeg mučitelja ) za koji bi ipak trebao malo veći vremenski period da se to dogodi, situaciju gdje osoba koja nije vična pucanju pogodi Kena iako po crtežu izgleda da je možda profulala. E sad to su stvari o kojima se može pričati, ali su i moguće. Kod Zagora se događaju stvari koje graniče sa fizičkim mogućnostima glavnog, pa i sporednih likova, no kod njega takve stvari nisu ni bitne. Dakle ne možeš uspoređivati realističan strip ( gdje se može raspravljati o nekim zbivanjima ) sa avanturističkim stripom gdje je sasvim normalno da se odvijaju neke nadljudske mogućnosti. |
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King Warrior
stripovi.com suradnik
    

22346 Posts
Member since 10/11/2007 |
Posted - 27/08/2018 : 15:03:01
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quote: Originally posted by Dexters
Ovaj forum je poznat po tome što ga mnogo ljudi prati, ali se rijetki usude napokon registrirati, a pogotovo se rijetki usude nešto napisati :)
Definitivno si dobitak za forum i u tih stotinjak poruka si napisao više pametnih stvari nego neki drugi u 4964.  |
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Kruger
Advanced Member
    

Croatia
17248 Posts
Member since 25/10/2001 |
Posted - 27/08/2018 : 15:27:51
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
quote: Originally posted by Dexters
Ovaj forum je poznat po tome što ga mnogo ljudi prati, ali se rijetki usude napokon registrirati, a pogotovo se rijetki usude nešto napisati :)
Definitivno si dobitak za forum i u tih stotinjak poruka si napisao više pametnih stvari nego neki drugi u 4964. 
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Hercule Poirot
stripovi.com suradnik
    
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14181 Posts
Member since 28/11/2017 |
Posted - 27/08/2018 : 15:51:04
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quote: Originally posted by VALTER
Ken Parker je nemjerljivo bolji strip od Zagora; da je postojao lik kao Ken, to je zamislivo i moguće. Svatko od nas može se poistovjetiti s likom koji se nalazi u dvojbama, probija se kroz život, trudi se nešto zaraditi da bi sinu priskrbio kvalitetniji život, griješi, ne sudi svisoka tko je u pravu, a tko u krivu, ne vara narod predstavljajući se kao božji izaslanik. Ima tu i patetike, ali u podnošljivoj, prihvatljivoj količini.
Zagor nema velikih ambicija, to je avanturističko štivo, često kvalitetno u tom žanru, ali ništa posebno. Glupava kulisa o gospodaru Darkwooda, ravnovjesju između bijelih i crvenih i iskupljivanju krivnje samo je u funkciji akcije i avanture. Nitko se normalan ne može poistovjetiti sa Zagorom, niti Zagor može natjerati da se zamisliš o nečemu, kao što je to slučaj s Kenom.
Bravo; lijepo, precizno i gotovo u potpunosti sljubljeno istini... |
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Hercule Poirot
stripovi.com suradnik
    
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14181 Posts
Member since 28/11/2017 |
Posted - 27/08/2018 : 15:54:53
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quote: Originally posted by Dexters
ovaj problem očigledno nikog ne zanima.

Mene je osobno odvraćalo od registracije/sudjelovanja gadosti, i nepristojnosti koje su na dnevnoj bazi pojavljivale: ne valja priča, ne valja crtež, ne valja junak, ne valja prijevod, ne valja ritam, ne valja način izdavanja, ne valja izdavač- dakako uz poprilično nepristojan riječnik. Sad se ipak lagano smirilo sve to :)
Samo sudjeluj u radu foruma, dapače! Dobrodošao! |
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ivanl
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Croatia
15809 Posts
Member since 24/04/2012 |
Posted - 27/08/2018 : 16:07:55
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quote: Originally posted by Dexters
Ovaj forum je poznat po tome što ga mnogo ljudi prati, ali se rijetki usude napokon registrirati, a pogotovo se rijetki usude nešto napisati :)
To je istina. I sam sam ga godinama pratio dok se nisam prijavio. Ima jos, nazalost, puno trucanja o kojemcemu, umjesto o stripovima, ali bude I finih dijaloga I rasprava. Drag mi je ovaj forum uprkos svemu... |
Los cukar na fritulama! |
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Gru
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833 Posts
Member since 07/01/2014 |
Posted - 27/08/2018 : 17:50:15
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quote: Originally posted by VALTER
Ken Parker je nemjerljivo bolji strip od Zagora; da je postojao lik kao Ken, to je zamislivo i moguće. Svatko od nas može se poistovjetiti s likom koji se nalazi u dvojbama, probija se kroz život, trudi se nešto zaraditi da bi sinu priskrbio kvalitetniji život, griješi, ne sudi svisoka tko je u pravu, a tko u krivu, ne vara narod predstavljajući se kao božji izaslanik. Ima tu i patetike, ali u podnošljivoj, prihvatljivoj količini.
Meni je serijal Ken Parker potonuo onog momenta kad Ken ode raditi u tvornicu. Mislim, da čovjek iz divljine koji je prošao toliko toga, od lovca, pisca, vodiča itd., ode zarađivati kruh u tvornicu, praktično u ropstvo, to mi nikako ne drži vodu...
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VALTER
Advanced Member
    

Croatia
6416 Posts
Member since 21/07/2002 |
Posted - 27/08/2018 : 18:07:57
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U tvornicu? Radio je kao Pinkertonov agent, prateći štrajkaše. Sjajne epizode, 'Špijun' i 'Bostonski dječaci'.
Zagor je meni danas dosadan, ne mogu više pročitati niti neke ranije omiljene epizode kao što je 'Nestali istraživač', jer vidim koliko je to tanko. 'Nestali istraživač' se može sakriti pred 'Djecom kapetana Granta' (mislim na strip).
S druge strane, 'Balada o Pat O'Shane', 'Adah', 'Priče o vojnicima', 'Dome, slatki dome', 'Normin princ', 'Milady'... To se može pročitati jedanput godišnje. |
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King Warrior
stripovi.com suradnik
    

22346 Posts
Member since 10/11/2007 |
Posted - 27/08/2018 : 18:15:12
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Ma zeza se Valter, njegov omiljeni strip je Zagor jer je 99% svojih poruka na forumu ostavio na temama o Zagoru. To rade samo veliki fanovi.  |
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Elderane84
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Bosnia and Herzegovina
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Džedson
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535 Posts
Member since 29/04/2008 |
Posted - 27/08/2018 : 18:59:50
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quote: Originally posted by Dexters
Pa dobro, možda se neki nostalgičari poistovjete sa starim Zagorom koji je onako kao neki dječak, nije to neki big deal. Međutim, kasniji Zagor (Burattini, i Boselli) je koncipiran kao "nadčovjek", i poanta je da se s njim ne možeš poistovjetiti.
možda je stremiti bolji izraz... u mnogim mojim omiljenim storijama, bilo da je film, knjiga, strip ili mitologija, glavni su nadljudi. može i natčovjek koji ni ne zna da je natčovjek, kao u legendarnom neslomljivom. kad već takvih nema u stvarnom životu (ja koji sam debelo iznad prosjeka po fizičkim sposobnostima i atleticizmu nebi dogurao živ valjda ni pet brojeva da moram proći kroz iste situacije kao zagor - ako ništa drugo, i da me svi meci, strelice, noževi, pandže i zubi promaše polomio bi se na skakutanju po drveću, ono nijedan čovjek, živ ili mrtav, nije mogao i ne može izvesti) - neka ih onda u pričama. i mogu poslužiti kao inspiracija, kao i komad epske glazbe, za podizanje duha. meni su više misterija ljudi koji hoće potpunu repliku stvarnog života još i u pričama koje konzumiraju, pored stvarnog života koji žive. mene to uglavnom umara. ma pogledam i ja dobru dramu i sve to, ali dajte vi meni conana barbara, zagora, gospodara prstenova, terminatora, predatora, aliena, gospodare svemira, pritom mislim na recentni dc-jev eternity war a ne na legendarni crtić iz 80tih, taj je u domeni čiste nostalgije i da ne nabrajam sada sve pa da vidite osmjeh od uha do uha  |
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anto
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Serbia
21457 Posts
Member since 29/06/2008 |
Posted - 27/08/2018 : 19:10:09
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quote: Originally posted by Gru
Meni je serijal Ken Parker potonuo onog momenta kad Ken ode raditi u tvornicu. Mislim, da čovjek iz divljine koji je prošao toliko toga, od lovca, pisca, vodiča itd., ode zarađivati kruh u tvornicu, praktično u ropstvo, to mi nikako ne drži vodu...
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Dajte nam Ralph Azhama;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)! |
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DODSFERD
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Pitcairn Island
29953 Posts
Member since 14/03/2014 |
Posted - 27/08/2018 : 19:32:07
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
Ma zeza se Valter, njegov omiljeni strip je Zagor jer je 99% svojih poruka na forumu ostavio na temama o Zagoru. To rade samo veliki fanovi. 
Ajmo se dogovoriti da svi glasamo za njega prilikom sljedećeg doktorskog izbora, zaslužio je tu titulu.  |
Sinaitakala Tu'imatamoana 'i Fanakavakilangi Fakafanua |
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Gru
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833 Posts
Member since 07/01/2014 |
Posted - 27/08/2018 : 21:03:29
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quote: Originally posted by DODSFERD
quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
Ma zeza se Valter, njegov omiljeni strip je Zagor jer je 99% svojih poruka na forumu ostavio na temama o Zagoru. To rade samo veliki fanovi. 
Ajmo se dogovoriti da svi glasamo za njega prilikom sljedećeg doktorskog izbora, zaslužio je tu titulu. 
Slažem se. Na sljedećem izboru zagorologije Valter ima moj glas! |
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Obi-wan
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Croatia
13782 Posts
Member since 29/08/2004 |
Posted - 27/08/2018 : 21:15:47
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quote: Originally posted by tinton
Oprosti Dexters, ti si prisutan otprije ovdje?
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What you call sanity, it’s just a prison in your minds that stops you from seeing that you’re just tiny little cogs in a giant absurd machine. |
Edited by - Obi-wan on 27/08/2018 21:19:02 |
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ivanl
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Croatia
15809 Posts
Member since 24/04/2012 |
Posted - 28/08/2018 : 00:32:10
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quote: Originally posted by Gru
quote: Originally posted by VALTER
Ken Parker je nemjerljivo bolji strip od Zagora; da je postojao lik kao Ken, to je zamislivo i moguće. Svatko od nas može se poistovjetiti s likom koji se nalazi u dvojbama, probija se kroz život, trudi se nešto zaraditi da bi sinu priskrbio kvalitetniji život, griješi, ne sudi svisoka tko je u pravu, a tko u krivu, ne vara narod predstavljajući se kao božji izaslanik. Ima tu i patetike, ali u podnošljivoj, prihvatljivoj količini.
Meni je serijal Ken Parker potonuo onog momenta kad Ken ode raditi u tvornicu. Mislim, da čovjek iz divljine koji je prošao toliko toga, od lovca, pisca, vodiča itd., ode zarađivati kruh u tvornicu, praktično u ropstvo, to mi nikako ne drži vodu...
Samo sto je on isao inkognito, u tvornicu po zadatku. I poslje se grizao zbog toga. |
Los cukar na fritulama! |
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Poli
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Slovenia
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ivanl
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Croatia
15809 Posts
Member since 24/04/2012 |
Posted - 28/08/2018 : 11:16:34
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Vjerovatno. U ovoj epizodi, koja je presedan u serijalu, bas zbog tog urbanog momenta, Ken je jos zanimljiviji. Da ne spominjem socijalni aspekt, da ne kazem socijalisticki... jaca epizoda u serijalu uopce. |
Los cukar na fritulama! |
Edited by - ivanl on 28/08/2018 11:17:19 |
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zare80
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Serbia
586 Posts
Member since 22/09/2008 |
Posted - 21/09/2018 : 06:07:03
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Interesantno mi je kako se u ovakvim raspravama ne pojavi jedan Conan kao poredjenje sa Zagorom, nego uvek Ken Parker i Batman. Verovatno ga ljudi nisu dovoljno citali, a meni je recimo on skoro necitljiv 😀 |
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tomassi
Starting Member
Croatia
49 Posts
Member since 04/10/2007 |
Posted - 10/10/2018 : 15:11:55
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Nakon 30 + godina čitanja Zagora teško se odlučit za nešto najbolje, ali budući da je ovakvo pitanje i ne mora biti najbolja epizoda u pitanju. Pozdravljam nove autore, svaka čast Boselliju, ali meni je Zagorov svijet onaj u pričama Vatrena voda i Ratnik Pekot; indijanci, vojska, trgovci oružjem i alkoholom, rat... Volim da ima i malo fantastike, ne može se zamisliti Zagor bez Hellingena ili tipova poput Mortimera, ali prednost dajem stilu u ovim epizodama, makar bio i sto puta ispran... :) |
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