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lwood
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Posted - 06/12/2018 : 15:48:07
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jučer pročita do kraja i priča je skroz ok. čak i kraj nije pretjerano pekmezast. sve u svemu 8 /10 |
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Shaner
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Posted - 16/12/2018 : 19:52:44
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I meni je ovo na kraju ispalo bolje nego sto sam ocekivao, no kod mene je to razlika izmedju podnosljivog i nepodnosljivog. Ovo je dakle podnosljiv strip sa, kako rece Tonto, zavodljivim crtezom koji nije bez mana, no izvlaci ga boja. Ljubitelji Ljepotice i zvijeri, bajki i fantastike bi mozda mogli pronaci nesto za sebe ukoliko se upute u Sumu djevica, no ostalima bi vjerojatno bilo bolje da ju zaobidju u sirokom luku.
4/10
P.S. Neobicno mi je vidjeti da jedna crtacica toliko inzistira na dubokim dekolteima i bujajucim grudima, k'o da je strip crtao nekakav napaljeni tinejdzer.
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NESVRSTANI
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Posted - 16/12/2018 : 21:40:12
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quote: Originally posted by Shaner
I meni je ovo na kraju ispalo bolje nego sto sam ocekivao, no kod mene je to razlika izmedju podnosljivog i nepodnosljivog. Ovo je dakle podnosljiv strip sa, kako rece Tonto, zavodljivim crtezom koji nije bez mana, no izvlaci ga boja. Ljubitelji Ljepotice i zvijeri, bajki i fantastike bi mozda mogli pronaci nesto za sebe ukoliko se upute u Sumu djevica, no ostalima bi vjerojatno bilo bolje da ju zaobidju u sirokom luku.
4/10
P.S. Neobicno mi je vidjeti da jedna crtacica toliko inzistira na dubokim dekolteima i bujajucim grudima, k'o da je strip crtao nekakav napaljeni tinejdzer.
Duboki dekoltei i sise u prvon planu su tu iz istog razloga ka i pristojan kolor. Služe za sakrit crtački diletantizam. |
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Macon
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lwood
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ivi skoj
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Posted - 17/12/2018 : 22:24:05
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Lako za crtež, ali taj kupus od scenarija... Ono kad jelo ima previše nepotrebnih sastojaka, a namirnicama istekao rok trajanja i jelo zagorilo.
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Poli
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ivi skoj
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Posted - 18/12/2018 : 21:15:12
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Nije najslabija, samo je ovo imalo puno veći potencijal, nego što se na kraju izrodilo. Tri grupacije, svako sa svakim, nitko sa nikim, ide politički zaplet, zatim svaka strana izvlači sa klupe kapitalca koji će promijeniti poredak, čudnovata šuma... i onda totalno nerazrađena priča o svemu napravljena zbrda zdola. Nije ni stereotip, nego čušpajz. Šteta, a moglo je puno bolje. Nastavka nebu bilo to ste shvatili jer bajka ima svoj sretan kraj. |
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Macon
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Posted - 21/12/2018 : 21:16:42
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quote: Originally posted by ivi skoj
Lako za crtež, ali taj kupus od scenarija... Ono kad jelo ima previše nepotrebnih sastojaka, a namirnicama istekao rok trajanja i jelo zagorilo.
Baš sam pročitao.
Kolor je vrhunski. Crtanje je klasično sa puno detajla i uloženog rada ali nije neki izraženi osobni stil. U njemu nema baš nekih grešaka i zadaci koje si je postavila autorica su teški. Nema tu prečaca i muljaže. Stil vrlo odgovara bajci i fantastiki. Antropomorfni dio je sličan Guarnidu (Blacksad) a realizam Julliardu.
Crteži i bolje izpadnu nego strane stripa ali to nije očito posle čitanja par strana. Ispadne ko da nas autorica želi konstantno držati u visokom naponu i ritmu ali to je nemoguče jer nije kratki strip nego trije albumi. U montaži ne zna usporavati i ubrzavati.
A kod scenarija je dobra gornja primjedba: jelo ima previše nepotrebnih sastojaka. Ne smeta mi, da je dosta krvava variacija na ljepoticu i zvijer.
Moj rezultat bi bio: 7/10 ali snažna 7, +7. Kolor me je privukao na prvi pogled. Fibra je izdala i lošije i bolje stripove. Imajmo u vidu, da smo razmaženi sa svim kvalitetom koju nam pruža Fibra. Dobar je to rad i Beatrice Tillier će još puno toga reći. |
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Macon
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Posted - 21/12/2018 : 21:21:43
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quote: Originally posted by ivi skoj
Nije najslabija, samo je ovo imalo puno veći potencijal, nego što se na kraju izrodilo. Tri grupacije, svako sa svakim, nitko sa nikim, ide politički zaplet, zatim svaka strana izvlači sa klupe kapitalca koji će promijeniti poredak, čudnovata šuma... i onda totalno nerazrađena priča o svemu napravljena zbrda zdola. Nije ni stereotip, nego čušpajz. Šteta, a moglo je puno bolje. Nastavka nebu bilo to ste shvatili jer bajka ima svoj sretan kraj.
Gde je scenaristu posle druge epizode nestao Pan sa faunovima? |
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anto
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Posted - 28/12/2018 : 00:31:53
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bacih pogled na zavir - boje valjaju,crtež mi se ne sviđa;jesam laik,ali ovi koji kažu da je Beatris umetnica su tupsoni;bez uvrede. grešaka koliko hoćeš,kadriranje loše,neprirodnost u svakom detalju...;u stvari,crtež je teški žasu - Markos je ovo objavio jer verovatno mora da ima određenu kvotu ženskih autora u svojim izdanjima. Ova stvarno bolje da se držala kutlače i pegle. |
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Poli
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Posted - 28/12/2018 : 08:38:27
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Plus sto se nije rodila na ovim prostorima, pa ne moze ni u Zenskom stripu na Balkanu zavrsiti. Bas ima peh.
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NESVRSTANI
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Posted - 28/12/2018 : 11:17:54
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quote: Originally posted by anto
bacih pogled na zavir - boje valjaju,crtež mi se ne sviđa;jesam laik,ali ovi koji kažu da je Beatris umetnica su tupsoni;bez uvrede. grešaka koliko hoćeš,kadriranje loše,neprirodnost u svakom detalju...;u stvari,crtež je teški žasu - Markos je ovo objavio jer verovatno mora da ima određenu kvotu ženskih autora u svojim izdanjima. Ova stvarno bolje da se držala kutlače i pegle.
Ja san odusta od daljnjeg komentiranja ovog nedjela da ne ispadne da se želin svađat ali moran se složit s tobon. Ovo je toliko loše da neznaš šta bi prvo popljuva. Ženi svaka prostorija izgleda ka da je ispala iz Martijeve epizode Strava u Providenceu. Zaboli te mozak ako duže gledaš.Ka da si stavija naočale sa krivon dioptrijon. Likovi u kadrovima stoje ka da su naknadno zalipljeni. Glavna junakinja je drveniji lik od Pinokija.
Baci oko na tablu na strani 39. Kakav fijasko od table. Rez vrata, griva na konju ka pankerska frizura(Ovo radi kroz cili strip, pa tako čin je konj u pokretu griva mu stoji uspravno), patuljak koji obara konja, rana na konju, način na koji konj pada... Tragedija....
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Peyo
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Posted - 28/12/2018 : 11:34:49
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quote: Originally posted by anto ovi koji kažu da je Beatris umetnica su tupsoni;bez uvrede.

A zašto bi se uvrijedili?
Inače, Ameri za crtača stripa obično napišu "artist". |
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Macon
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Posted - 28/12/2018 : 12:40:36
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quote: Originally posted by NESVRSTANI
quote: Originally posted by anto
bacih pogled na zavir - boje valjaju,crtež mi se ne sviđa;jesam laik,ali ovi koji kažu da je Beatris umetnica su tupsoni;bez uvrede. grešaka koliko hoćeš,kadriranje loše,neprirodnost u svakom detalju...;u stvari,crtež je teški žasu - Markos je ovo objavio jer verovatno mora da ima određenu kvotu ženskih autora u svojim izdanjima. Ova stvarno bolje da se držala kutlače i pegle.
Ja san odusta od daljnjeg komentiranja ovog nedjela da ne ispadne da se želin svađat ali moran se složit s tobon. Ovo je toliko loše da neznaš šta bi prvo popljuva. Ženi svaka prostorija izgleda ka da je ispala iz Martijeve epizode Strava u Providenceu. Zaboli te mozak ako duže gledaš.Ka da si stavija naočale sa krivon dioptrijon. Likovi u kadrovima stoje ka da su naknadno zalipljeni. Glavna junakinja je drveniji lik od Pinokija.
Baci oko na tablu na strani 39. Kakav fijasko od table. Rez vrata, griva na konju ka pankerska frizura(Ovo radi kroz cili strip, pa tako čin je konj u pokretu griva mu stoji uspravno), patuljak koji obara konja, rana na konju, način na koji konj pada... Tragedija....
Strana 39 (numeracija na stripu je 35) je odlična i dinamična, bez greške u bilo čemu. Za skraćenje izgleda još nisi čuo. Imaš recimo odlično montažnu igru konja na 1. i 4. kadru koji su u međusobnum uglu 90 stupnjeva (i smirenje, pauzu između na 2. kadru koja potencira dinamiku)
Crtež izgleda na momente malo tvrd a ne ukočen, spominje na Julliarda zato sam ga i pomenuo.
Da, upotrebljava puno ugljeva kamere odozdo ili odozgo (četiri puta odozgo na spomenutoj stranici: 3-6, jednom odozdo: 1 i nevtralni kadar 2), više nego obično i to smeta nenaviknutom oku.
Čitajte radije Bonellija, tamo nečete imati problema sa tim. 
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Edited by - Macon on 28/12/2018 12:44:43 |
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NESVRSTANI
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Posted - 28/12/2018 : 12:53:42
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Ja bi prije reka da je problem tvoje ćoravo oko a ne moje nenaviknuto oko.
Usporedba s Julliardom je uvreda Julliardu. Usporedbu s Guarnidom neću ni spominjat.
Jednu stvar imaš pravo, u Bonelliju ovakovog šrota nema.
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Macon
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NESVRSTANI
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Posted - 28/12/2018 : 13:17:24
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quote: Originally posted by Macon
Objašnjavam zašto nešto vrijedi a ti ne jer po mome i ne možeš. Predvidljivo je, da ćeš postati osoban.
Nakon šta mi preporučiš da čitan Bonelli, i zaključiš da je problem moje nenaviknuto oko predviđaš da ću postat osoban?
Bravo majstore. Objasnio si vrhunski.
S druge strane razumin da je ovo tebi umjetnost. Ako san dobro skužija ti si Slovenac a vama je i Jasmin Stavros umjetnost.
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Macon
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Posted - 28/12/2018 : 13:27:08
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quote: Originally posted by NESVRSTANI
quote: Originally posted by Macon
Objašnjavam zašto nešto vrijedi a ti ne jer po mome i ne možeš. Predvidljivo je, da ćeš postati osoban.
Nakon šta mi preporučiš da čitan Bonelli, i zaključiš da je problem moje nenaviknuto oko predviđaš da ću postat osoban?
Bravo majstore. Objasnio si vrhunski.
S druge strane razumin da je ovo tebi umjetnost. Ako san dobro skužija ti si Slovenac a vama je i Jasmin Stavros umjetnost.
Ako nisi sam prokužio ono što sam napisao za spomenutu stranu onda imaš nenaviknuto oko. Vrlo lako za proveriti. 
Jeste, objasnio sam vrhunski, hvala ti. 
Ovo je meni natprosječni crtež jer sam puno toga vidio do sada. 
Imamo jednog dj-a sa imenom Jasmin Starwars ali ga nikad nisam proverio.  |
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NESVRSTANI
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Posted - 28/12/2018 : 14:06:35
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quote: Originally posted by Peyo
quote: Originally posted by anto ovi koji kažu da je Beatris umetnica su tupsoni;bez uvrede.

A zašto bi se uvrijedili?
Inače, Ameri za crtača stripa obično napišu "artist".
Ti se ne bi triba osjećat prozvan. Ti ni nisi ovu nesretnicu nazva umjetnicon. |
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