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Leonard10
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Posted - 23/05/2020 : 23:01:31
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Pozdrav, tek sam počeo čitati Nathana i primjetio sam da neki prvi brojevi imaju kružić/naljepnicu na kojoj piše "stripovi iz zalihe" pa me zanima što to znači i ima li razlike između tih i ovih bez naljepnice? |
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Spock
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Posted - 24/05/2020 : 08:28:31
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quote: Originally posted by Leonard10
Pozdrav, tek sam počeo čitati Nathana i primjetio sam da neki prvi brojevi imaju kružić/naljepnicu na kojoj piše "stripovi iz zalihe" pa me zanima što to znači i ima li razlike između tih i ovih bez naljepnice?
Razlika je u toj naljepnici! Slobodna je štancala previše komada, pa su se kasnije rješavali zaliha kako su znali i umjeli. Svejedno, nije im bilo pomoći kao strip izdavaču. |
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Spock
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Leonard10
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Posted - 24/05/2020 : 13:09:23
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quote: Originally posted by Spock
quote: Originally posted by Leonard10
Pozdrav, tek sam počeo čitati Nathana i primjetio sam da neki prvi brojevi imaju kružić/naljepnicu na kojoj piše "stripovi iz zalihe" pa me zanima što to znači i ima li razlike između tih i ovih bez naljepnice?
Razlika je u toj naljepnici! Slobodna je štancala previše komada, pa su se kasnije rješavali zaliha kako su znali i umjeli. Svejedno, nije im bilo pomoći kao strip izdavaču.
Ok,dakle zapravo nisu drukčiji sadržaj ili forma ili nešto treće u komadima s naljepnicom, samo su je nalijepili na komade koje nisu u prvoj rundi uspjeli prodati? |
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ivanl
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Posted - 24/05/2020 : 15:20:50
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Ja to nisam nikad vidio. Ali ja sam i kupovao sve redovno iz prve ruke odmah po dolasku na trafike. Kako ti je Spock rekao, nema to sigurno veze sa sadrzajem stripa. |
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mladjo
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Posted - 24/05/2020 : 22:31:35
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Nathan Never LIB 72:LEPTIROV SAN
I evo me ponovo na redovnom čitanju serijala.Ova epizoda je dosta dobro razradila psihološku dramu Elle Richards i njene demone, a sam zaplet i krajnje objašnjenje su korektni i na nivou. Sama Ella je vrlo zanimljiva i na svoj uplašeno - demonsko - mračni način izrazito privlačna. Nego, dobro je znati da je Nikki živa. Je li bilo još epizoda s njom? Sve u svemu, dobar strip. Medda je solidno odradio posao. A Casini? Ha što reći... Scenarij:7/10 Crtež:6/10 |
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Solid Snake
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Jerry Krause
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Posted - 25/05/2020 : 11:58:23
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quote: Originally posted by Solid Snake
Do kojeg je originalnog broja izdat nn do sada na ex yu prostore?
Za koji dan će doći do broja 218. |
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Solid Snake
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Posted - 25/05/2020 : 12:55:47
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Hvala na info druze. Pretpostavljam da trenutno samo Libellus izdaje NN. Ja citam ponovo dok smo u karantinu original broj 250-254. 
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ivanl
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Posted - 25/05/2020 : 14:34:35
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quote: Originally posted by Solid Snake
Hvala na info druze. Pretpostavljam da trenutno samo Libellus izdaje NN. Ja citam ponovo dok smo u karantinu original broj 250-254. 
Nedavno je CK izbacila jedan mini serijal, inace sve 'stanca' Libellus.
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DiSkAcH
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Posted - 25/05/2020 : 17:40:43
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Hmm, Sigmundova Tajna ima fora naslovnicu, ali original je original.  |
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Solid Snake
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Posted - 25/05/2020 : 18:47:55
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quote: Originally posted by DiSkAcH
Hmm, Sigmundova Tajna ima fora naslovnicu, ali original je original. 
Od broja 250 ustvari pocinje neki reboot serijala. Zato i ta naslovnica remake broja 1. :)
Nego sad vidim da Libellus izdaje po 3 epizode u jednom izdanju ali ne idu hronoloski. Zasto ovako? |
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ivanl
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Posted - 25/05/2020 : 19:16:38
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quote: Originally posted by Solid Snake
quote: Originally posted by DiSkAcH
Hmm, Sigmundova Tajna ima fora naslovnicu, ali original je original. 
Od broja 250 ustvari pocinje neki reboot serijala. Zato i ta naslovnica remake broja 1. :)
Nego sad vidim da Libellus izdaje po 3 epizode u jednom izdanju ali ne idu hronoloski. Zasto ovako?
Kako ne ide? Poceli su izdavati od knjige 22, epizode 63,64,65 pa su odvozili sve do kbjige 72, epizode 213,214,215. To je sve kronoloski. U meduvremenu su izdali knjigu 1, epizode 0,1,2 do knjige 14, epizode 39,40,41. Sad cekamo jos 7 knjiga da pokrpamo tu famoznu 'rupu'. A LL je tiskao tako, jer su prve epizode izdale Slobodna Dalmacija te nakon njih Ludens u kiosk izdanju, zakljucno s brojem 62 Silazak u podzemlje iz 2006-e. Dakle to smo sve imali a LL je 2007-me samo nastavio gdje su dotadasnji izdavaci i epizode stali/stale. U meduvremenu (2010-e, pa do danas) krecu sa objavljivanjem i starih epizoda u opremi kakvu ovaj serijal ima i zasluzuje. Ostala izdanja; Giganti, Agencija Alfa, Almanasi, Specijali, Maxiji, Asteroid Argo, Univerzum Alfa, te mini serijali idu redovno i kronoloski. |
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Kerempir
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Posted - 25/05/2020 : 19:46:10
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quote: Originally posted by Solid Snake
Hvala na info druze. Pretpostavljam da trenutno samo Libellus izdaje NN. Ja citam ponovo dok smo u karantinu original broj 250-254. 

Kakav ti se čini ovaj reboot? |
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Solid Snake
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Posted - 25/05/2020 : 20:58:57
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Iskreno nije mi nesto posebno. Ja sam procitao samo ove epizode od reboota (250 -254) koje sam slucajno nabavio pre 8 god. |
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Solid Snake
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Posted - 25/05/2020 : 21:08:28
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quote: Originally posted by ivanl
quote: Originally posted by Solid Snake
quote: Originally posted by DiSkAcH
Hmm, Sigmundova Tajna ima fora naslovnicu, ali original je original. 
Od broja 250 ustvari pocinje neki reboot serijala. Zato i ta naslovnica remake broja 1. :)
Nego sad vidim da Libellus izdaje po 3 epizode u jednom izdanju ali ne idu hronoloski. Zasto ovako?
Kako ne ide? Poceli su izdavati od knjige 22, epizode 63,64,65 pa su odvozili sve do kbjige 72, epizode 213,214,215. To je sve kronoloski. U meduvremenu su izdali knjigu 1, epizode 0,1,2 do knjige 14, epizode 39,40,41. Sad cekamo jos 7 knjiga da pokrpamo tu famoznu 'rupu'. A LL je tiskao tako, jer su prve epizode izdale Slobodna Dalmacija te nakon njih Ludens u kiosk izdanju, zakljucno s brojem 62 Silazak u podzemlje iz 2006-e. Dakle to smo sve imali a LL je 2007-me samo nastavio gdje su dotadasnji izdavaci i epizode stali/stale. U meduvremenu (2010-e, pa do danas) krecu sa objavljivanjem i starih epizoda u opremi kakvu ovaj serijal ima i zasluzuje. Ostala izdanja; Giganti, Agencija Alfa, Almanasi, Specijali, Maxiji, Asteroid Argo, Univerzum Alfa, te mini serijali idu redovno i kronoloski.
Da, ima logiku da su se nadovezali gde su SD/Ludend stali. |
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ivanl
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Posted - 25/05/2020 : 21:33:57
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quote: Originally posted by Solid Snake
Iskreno nije mi nesto posebno. Ja sam procitao samo ove epizode od reboota (250 -254) koje sam slucajno nabavio pre 8 god.
Je li to nekakvo pravo 'resetiranje' serijala na temeljima prvih epizoda i naslonjeno na njihov izvorni scenarij ili nesto skroz drugo. Vidim ovde po naslovima i naslovnicama da je Sigmund u igri. Cak nekakav umjetan robotski Sigmund... Ovih svih pet epizoda su povezane, jel da? |
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ivanl
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Posted - 25/05/2020 : 21:37:02
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quote: Originally posted by Solid Snake
Da, ima logiku da su se nadovezali gde su SD/Ludend stali. [/quote] Da, i nastavili dalje. Po meni sporo, ali eto jos 7 knjiga, 21 epizoda i imamo cijeli kronoloski poslozen redovni serijal. |
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going going
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Posted - 26/05/2020 : 02:52:14
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MM&NN #1 Zarobljenik buducnostiCastelli-Serra/Vercelli Bas sam zadovoljan ovim team upom! Daleko bolje od prvog susreta Martija i Dilana Doga. Naziv epizode i naslovna strana su odlicne navlakuse, stvarno mislimo da je Marti prebacen u buducnost i da ce se to zavrsiti uobicajeno stereotipno tako sto ce se vratiti u svoje vreme i secanje na ovu avanturu bice mu izbrisano. Medjutim naslov Zarobljenik buducnosti ustvari moze dvoznacno da se tumaci.
Castellijeva ideja je odlicna i savrseno se uklapa i u Natanov futuristicki svet i odlicno nadovezuje na Martijev kontinuitet tj. na jednu raniju Martijevu pricu (koju ja nazalost nisam imao prilike da citam). Dakle resenje je odlicno, bez naivnih stereotipa i deus ex machina resenja.
Serra se odlicno snasao i vrhunski balansirao izmedju Natana i Martija iako je ovo u stvari Martijeva epizoda u buducnosti. Oni koji nisu upoznati sa Natanom dobili su njegov origin i upoznali ga na lep nacin jer je predstavljen kao osecajan i prijatan covek. Vidim da nekima smeta Martijeva mini epizoda unutar epizode (prica o potrazi za macem Karla Velikog) ali meni je i taj deo odlican. Mislim da je Serra bio pravi covek za ovo jer je vec imao iskustva radeci na Martiju. Jedina zamerka scenariju je sto glavni neprijatelji epizode nisu dorasli vaznosti same price. Teroristi preprodavci drevnih artefakta su krajnje nezanimljivi i nekako bledi, a pojavljivanje Ljudi u crnom iako lepo iznenadjenje opet nije najefektnije izvedeno.
Crtez Gina Vercellija je pomalo neujednacen, na trenutke je odlican, na momente dosta slab, steta sto se nije malo vise potrudio jer je ovo epizoda za pamcenje, steta sto crtez nije za pamcenje vec neki prosek.
Odmah cu se baciti na citanje druge zajednicke epizode MM i NN i cudi me kako nije pokrenut neki zaseban serijal koji bi pratio dogodovstine Martija robota. Ili barem da SBE izbacuje po jedan MM i NN team up u godinu, dve. Mislim da ova prica ima mnogo potencijala.
Akronino izdanje je perfektno i bez ikakvih zamerki sam sto se tice dizajna, stampe, uveza i cene (jedino su mogli lektora da uposle jer ima nekih gramatickih gresaka i cudnog rasporeda reci u recenici). Oni su posle ova dva team upa izbacili i dva trobroja NN od prvog broja, imam prvi. Steta sto to nije zazivelo jer me je ova epizoda bas zainteresovala za svet Natana Nevera.
Prica: 10 Scenario: 9 Crtez: 8 Naslovna strana: 9
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Solid Snake
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Posted - 26/05/2020 : 06:58:16
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quote: Originally posted by ivanl
quote: Originally posted by Solid Snake
Iskreno nije mi nesto posebno. Ja sam procitao samo ove epizode od reboota (250 -254) koje sam slucajno nabavio pre 8 god.
Je li to nekakvo pravo 'resetiranje' serijala na temeljima prvih epizoda i naslonjeno na njihov izvorni scenarij ili nesto skroz drugo. Vidim ovde po naslovima i naslovnicama da je Sigmund u igri. Cak nekakav umjetan robotski Sigmund... Ovih svih pet epizoda su povezane, jel da?
Da povezane su a reboot je naslonjen na izvorni scenarij. |
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ivanl
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Posted - 26/05/2020 : 08:01:30
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quote: Originally posted by Solid Snake
quote: Originally posted by ivanl
quote: Originally posted by Solid Snake
Iskreno nije mi nesto posebno. Ja sam procitao samo ove epizode od reboota (250 -254) koje sam slucajno nabavio pre 8 god.
Je li to nekakvo pravo 'resetiranje' serijala na temeljima prvih epizoda i naslonjeno na njihov izvorni scenarij ili nesto skroz drugo. Vidim ovde po naslovima i naslovnicama da je Sigmund u igri. Cak nekakav umjetan robotski Sigmund... Ovih svih pet epizoda su povezane, jel da?
Da povezane su a reboot je naslonjen na izvorni scenarij.
Okej. Thx. Sluzim se taljanskim ali ne citam im stripove. Tako da cemo malo pricekati dok LL dode do 250-og broja. To je jos deset knjiga, ovim tempom, to bi znacilo najbrze za dvije godine a najsporije za recimo, tri. Inace jako se puno pricalo o serijalu nakon 250-e epizode, i negativno i pozitivno...pa bas da vidimo. |
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going going
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Posted - 26/05/2020 : 17:55:35
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Ja iako ne citam Nathana pratim topic i koliko se secam niko nije imao nista pohvalno da kaze za epizode od #250 pa nadalje. Djole ih je bas ocrnio koliko se secam. |
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Jerry Krause
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Posted - 26/05/2020 : 18:59:14
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Svako malo moram ponavljati. Ovo smo pričali prije 8 godina na cijelih 50-ak stranica topica. Nije reboot već nešto... najbolje opisati kao bezveze. Ali mi zaluđenici za Nathanom kakvi već jesmo i dalje ćemo ovo kupovati za 3 godine kad stigne. |
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Jerry Krause
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Posted - 26/05/2020 : 19:00:10
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Evo šta je Dee prije 8 godina konkretno napisao. Bit će svima jasnije:
quote: Originally posted by DeeCay
Tekst od Mirka Perniole u vezi reboota... http://artigianidellenuvole.blogspot.com/2012/01/i-pity-fool.html
Intervju s Mirko Perniolom, pričaju o svemu... http://www.lospaziobianco.it/43680-fornelli-nino-intervista-mirko-perniola
Ovo će svi razumijeti: Nathan Never 250 non sarà un reboot! Non sarà un reboot! Non sarà un reboot!
Znači, ne reboot, nego novi "starting point", sve što se desilo desilo se (Ned Mace ubio Lauru, Legs bila u zatvoru, ratovi s Orbitalnim stanicama, rat svjetova), ali neće se kao spominjati više. Po meni bi to značilo da se podrazumijeva da su svi prijašnji storylineovi završeni (kako i kada?), i da se gradi novi kontinuitet nakon sveopćeg rata. Vjerojatno smtraju da se teško bilo uključiti u Rat svjetova ili temporalnu sagu ako nisi čitao Rat s orbitalnim stanicama. A vietti je vukao neke storylineove kroz desetke epizoda.
Imaju i codename za novi početak - NiNo (Nuovo Inizio Neveriano)
Mirko priča da je već predložio neke nove ideje Serri koje je on prihvatio, kao prebacivanje na poduže vrijeme Nathana i ekipe na Mars, pa s Tehnodroidima i s C3.
Vietti se više baš i ne spominje, ne znam hoće li pisati dalje, a očito budu najaktivniji Mirko Perniola i Serra.
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