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Peyo
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Posted - 28/10/2020 : 22:11:35
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Unngenant je prvotno ocijenio kompletnog Rosinskog kao precijenjenog što nikako ne stoji.
Imam uvida u njegov cjelokupni rad, plus ilustracije i slike i nepotrebno mi je to uopće pobijati. Nisam slijep, a znam ponešto i o crtanju.
E sad što se kome sviđa ili ne sviđa je druga priča. |
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BeaGea
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Posted - 28/10/2020 : 22:17:56
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Nema spora za Rosinskog, prelijepo "crta"! Tugovanka mi je vjerojatno najteze procitani strip, ali Uzivao sam samo zbog Rosinskog! |
Kažite mi, jeste li se umorili Jesu li vas prevarili Je l'nas vrijeme pregazilo |
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NESVRSTANI
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Croatia
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Posted - 28/10/2020 : 22:19:26
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quote: Originally posted by Peyo
Unngenant je prvotno ocijenio kompletnog Rosinskog kao precijenjenog što nikako ne stoji.
Imam uvida u njegov cjelokupni rad, plus ilustracije i slike i nepotrebno mi je to uopće pobijati. Nisam slijep, a znam ponešto i o crtanju.
E sad što se kome sviđa ili ne sviđa je druga priča.
Ne sviđa mi se kako su nacrtane zadnje epizode Torgala, ali volin njegov crtež. Grof Skarabek mi je odlično nacrtan. |
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Cromwell
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Croatia
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Posted - 29/10/2020 : 10:12:54
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Istina, Skarbek je zasigurno najautorskiji od svih Rosinskijevih stripova i uopće ne sumnjam da ćemo ga prije ili kasnije vidjeti u Fibrinom izdanju. Ungennant se vrlo vjerojatno nije susreo s njim pa od tuda ta zamjerka da nema baš "autorskog" u sebi. :) Meni je kod Rosinskog veći problem povremeno ružan kolor ali ako govorimo o umjetnosti dovoljno je baciti oko na njegov c/b crtež ili slike i ilustracije kako je i Peyo sugerirao.
Edit: prva žalopojka mi je bolja crtački a druga scenaristički i povremeno mi ih je bilo naporno čitati. Ali to je više zbog toga što ne ljubim fantasy nego zbog same kvalitete; fanovi tematike će biti oduševljeni pročitanim. |
Bok, kako si.
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Unngenant
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Serbia
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Posted - 29/10/2020 : 11:26:36
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Nope. Imam Skarbek a opet to nije Rosinski kakav je poznat u Tugovanka i Torgalu...Ne znam zašto ljudi su skloni idolizaciji bilo čega...I zašto misle da treba da brane samog autora od drugih. Rosinski je kao autor i koliko se može u tom svetu pokupio dovoljno priznanja da čak i svi na ovom forumu misle kao ja, mogli bi da mu samo pljunemo pod prozor.
U mojoj sferi stripa Tugovanke, Torgali i Šninkel realno spadaju u totalno nevažne stripove. Nekom će biti Moebius ili Prat...I kao što rekoh tu ima osim za crtež/kolor vezana i tematika...epska ili fantasy is not my cup of tea...
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Peyo
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Croatia
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Posted - 29/10/2020 : 12:54:24
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quote: Originally posted by Unngenant
Nope. Imam Skarbek a opet to nije Rosinski kakav je poznat u Tugovanka i Torgalu...Ne znam zašto ljudi su skloni idolizaciji bilo čega...I zašto misle da treba da brane samog autora od drugih. Rosinski je kao autor i koliko se može u tom svetu pokupio dovoljno priznanja da čak i svi na ovom forumu misle kao ja, mogli bi da mu samo pljunemo pod prozor.
U mojoj sferi stripa Tugovanke, Torgali i Šninkel realno spadaju u totalno nevažne stripove. Nekom će biti Moebius ili Prat...I kao što rekoh tu ima osim za crtež/kolor vezana i tematika...epska ili fantasy is not my cup of tea...
Ako u nečemu vidim kvalitetu ne znači da to automatski idoliziram.
Isto tako ako mi se sviđa crtež Rosinskog pa i Tugovanka, ne znači automatizmom da mi se ne sviđaju radovi Pratta ili Moebiusa.
Za ostalo si u pravu (iako sam to već i spomenuo) Rosinskog mi ovdje branili ili napadali tako je malo važno, njegov rad dovoljno govori za sebe. |
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DiSkAcH
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Posted - 16/11/2020 : 12:57:34
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Iako nisam baš neki ljubitelj fantasy-a, privju me kupio, tj kupio sam strip. Čitao sam Žalopojku, ali iz knjižnice, i bila mi je OK, ništa specijalno, ali fora strip. E ovo čudo mi je dva koplja iznad. Puno puno bolja i zanimljivija priča, a sviđa mi se i to što je praktički neovisna o Žalopojki (ovo je prequel) i može se čitati zasebno. Crtež predivan, ali kako sam već napisao, Rosinsky mi je ipak bolji. Baš mi je sjelo čitati danas ujutro strip, vani pad kiša i magla je (baš mi je ''falila'', jer nije da ne pada stalno :D)...podigla se atmosfera na 11/10. Sve u svemu jako zabavna i napeta priča, sa natprosječnim crtežom. |
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sawitch
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Serbia
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Posted - 12/12/2020 : 21:40:06
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Moj utisak nakon procitanog integrala. Crte bolji nego u prvom, prica nekako mracnija, teza ali losija od prvog. No, sve u svemu ovo je za mene crtacko remek delo i ostaje u kolekciji definitivno. |
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lwood
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Macon
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Slovenia
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Posted - 13/12/2020 : 14:30:28
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quote: Originally posted by Tonto A štoš, moramo se i razići ponekad. Lawrence je kralj dinamike za ovog. Mislim, pogledaj ovaj kadar...

...pa majko mila, akcija je, napeto je, okreni malo tu kameru, daj malo žablje perspektive,krupniji plan, nakosi malo kameru, nešto, bilo što što će dati života. Ovo jest dobro nacrtano, ali samo kao ilustracija, u funkciji naracije to je potpuni promašaj, statično i dosadno. Nije to rijetkost kod francuza, ali sve manje to toleriram. Valjda starim pa postajem gunđalo.
Nemam pojma šta gledaš. Poanta je u gužvi i klincu koji se provlači kroz nju. Valjda u gužvi ne može biti super brz jer se probija kroz nju. I baš zato kompozicijske diagonale ne bi bile na mjestu (iako je onaj izza njega koji ga lovi u diagonali i zato preteči jer je klinac vertikalan, statičniji). Bitna diagonala je od oblačiča sa tekstom (koji je tako postavljen da joj dodaje, oni koji ne znaju šta rade bacaju oblačiče baš na takve linije pokreta i guše kompozicije i toga nema malo u bd-u) prema desno dolje na klinca. I lijeva ruka hvatača je na 90% stupnjeva od ove pozadinske diagonale i zato je lik u pozadini još dinamičniji. Recimo zamisli kako bi ispalo ako bi oblačič stavio na tijelo lijevog vojnika na istoj širini ali puno dole. A treča mogučnost koja bi isto ubila kompoziciju je na istoj visini i desno od klinca.
I planovi, dubina, su vrlo jasni. Veču težinu ima u gornji polovini kadra i to isto dodaje dinamiki. Centralna pozicija klinca govori, da još nije jasno ako će utječi (sama pozicija u kompoziciji ga vuče nazad i dinamičniji vojnik u pozadini). Onda svijetlo na koži klinca koji je najsvetliji dio kadra. Montažno sasvim korektan i promišljen kadar. |
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Macon
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Slovenia
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Posted - 13/12/2020 : 14:37:57
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quote: Originally posted by Unngenant
Rosinski je jedan po meni od veoma jako precenjenih crtača koji je na ovim prostorima pre svega ima sentimentalnu vrednost više nego bilo šta drugo.
Rosinski je crtački stilist isto ko Font, Bernet, Manara, Prado. Najviša klasa stripovskog crtača i umjetnika. |
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Tonto
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Posted - 13/12/2020 : 15:18:35
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>Nemam pojma šta gledaš.
...zaista mislim da sam bio dovoljno jasan što me smeta.
>Montažno sasvim korektan i promišljen kadar.
... za mene nije. Nema meni tu ni d od dinamike. |
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Macon
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Posted - 13/12/2020 : 15:43:32
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quote: Originally posted by Tonto
>Nemam pojma šta gledaš.
...zaista mislim da sam bio dovoljno jasan što me smeta.
>Montažno sasvim korektan i promišljen kadar.
... za mene nije. Nema meni tu ni d od dinamike.
U prvom planu nije fizična dinamika kretanja nego psihološka pretnja da če klinac biti uhvaćen.
Ako bi bila u prvom planu dinamika kretanja likova, onda bi bilo jasnije, da će klinac utječi i zato bez ili sa manjim suspenzom. Sa montažnim suspenzom se postiže veča identifikacija čitalaca sa klincem kome prijeti da postane žrtva ako ga uhvate.
Dosta sam siguran, da je na sledečem kadru več jasnije, da će klinac pobječi ali našao si baš poudareni kadar, da mu zamjeriš baš ono što mu nije za zamjeriti jer svoju funkciju potpuno ispunjuje.
Ovaj kadar je tipičan cliffhanger ako je na kraju table. |
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izivko
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Posted - 13/12/2020 : 15:52:55
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Slažio bih se s Maconom, visoka je to klasa strip crtača. Ali slažem se i s Tontom u vezi ovog kadra, fali tu nešto. Djevojka (ako se dobro sjećam radi se o djevojci) koja bježi djeluje kao da sudjeluje u utrci a ne kao neko tko bježi od progonitelja. |
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lwood
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Colombia
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Posted - 15/12/2020 : 19:12:17
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quote: Originally posted by sawitch
Moj utisak nakon procitanog integrala. Crte bolji nego u prvom, prica nekako mracnija, teza ali losija od prvog. No, sve u svemu ovo je za mene crtacko remek delo i ostaje u kolekciji definitivno.
Drugi dio je puno bolji od prvog.  |
depresivni iskompleksirani primitivac i nadrkana budala |
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DzekDenijels
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Posted - 08/01/2021 : 00:53:27
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Posle ponovnog čitanja Žalopojke na red su došli i Vitezovi oprosta. Pribojavao sam se slabije priče i lošijeg crteža (koji su neki pominjali ovde na forumu) ali sam dobio izvanredan "preqvel" prvog integrala.
Vitezovi su mi bolji od prvog integrala. Defaux je napisao puno bolju i zanimljiviju priču, istovremeno vrlo mračnu što je po meni dodatni plus. Crtež je zaista izvanredan. Delaby, a u poslednjih 20 strana i Jeremy su fenomenalno odradili posao. Hvatao sam sebe da razmišljam nad pojedinim kadrovima kako bi odlično izgledali kao posteri. Crtež tako realan, boje odlične, atmosfera vrh...
Ko nije čitao, ovo je obavezna literatura. Ostaje u kolekciji, naravno. Jedva čekam da izađu još ta 2 albuma, pa da Markos izda nov integral.
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going going
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Serbia
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Posted - 08/01/2021 : 22:59:23
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Da li ovaj prikvel moze da se cita bez Zalopjke/Tugovanke? Ili je ipak potrebno prvo procitati originalni strip da bi se razumeli likovi i bolje doziveo ovaj prikvl? |
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DzekDenijels
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Posted - 09/01/2021 : 01:19:11
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quote: Originally posted by going going
Da li ovaj prikvel moze da se cita bez Zalopjke/Tugovanke? Ili je ipak potrebno prvo procitati originalni strip da bi se razumeli likovi i bolje doziveo ovaj prikvl?
Može naravno. Mada u Žalopojki/Tugovanki na početku ima odličan uvod/objašnjenje "Ciklusa o Vješticama" i "Ciklusa o vitezovima oprosta". |
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Elderane84
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Posted - 10/04/2021 : 18:14:09
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Nikako da mi legne na 100% neki scenario od Difoa... Slistih ovo sad u cugu i teško je reći da je loše, a opet se ne mogu ni sjetiti baš nekih riječi ogromne hvale. Stalno kao da hoće da ispriča priču veću od života, pa se onda izgubi negdje usput toliko da ne kaže ni osnovno. Kad bi me neko pitao da mu kažem u 3 rečenice suštinu ovog ciklusa, ne bih imao pojma šta tačno da kažem. Zadnji album mi je najbolji, poruku sa vitezom Gvinejom ubo je vrhunski, ali je loše povezao Sudene sa cijelim ovim integralom. Svakako ostaje u kolekciji, ako bih morao ocijeniti strip, svakako bi dobio bar 8/10, što nije malo, ali sam možda ipak priželjkivao da to bude bolje. Delabi je odlično crtao, tu nema nikakvih zamjerki, pa i nasljednik je odradio korektan,iako nezahvalan posao. |
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Chui
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Posted - 23/02/2023 : 00:15:41
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Meni je ovo sasvim solidan fantasy i dobra uvertira u Žalopojke... Iako mi je Ž. nešto bolji strip ali ni ovo nije loše. Crtež mi je baš dobar, drugačiji ali isto mnogo dobar na svoj način. |
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