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KuntaKinte
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Posted - 12/11/2021 : 14:49:56
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quote: Originally posted by Paka01
quote: Originally posted by PaoloRivera
quote: Originally posted by ivan_micic
Na cobissu dodali: Mračne noći. Metal smrti Betmen. Smrt u porodici / Džim Starlin
Isusee tooo!!  
Ozbiljno? Priča je dno.
Sećam se kad sam čitao da sam bio zapanjen koliko je glupo i loše napisao. A važi za “bitnu” epizodu, tj na svim je listama “Best Batman stories ever”. |
Dosta je bilo praštanja! |
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Peyo
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Red Marquis
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delboj
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PaoloRivera
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Posted - 12/11/2021 : 16:28:15
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quote: Originally posted by Paka01
quote: Originally posted by PaoloRivera
quote: Originally posted by ivan_micic
Na cobissu dodali: Mračne noći. Metal smrti Betmen. Smrt u porodici / Džim Starlin
Isusee tooo!!  
Ozbiljno? Priča je dno.
Nisam još čitao, ali me jako privlači. Lošije od, recimo… hm… Millarovog Enemy of the State? |
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Peyo
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Paka01
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Posted - 12/11/2021 : 16:50:50
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Nažalost nisam čitao tu od Millara pa ne mogu usporediti. Inače nisam neki preveliki poznavatelj priča iz tog Batmanovog perioda, no ova mi je ostala u lošem sjećanju zato što kao pokušava ići na neku ozbiljnu i donekle kompleksnu radnju, no sve to skupa ne funkcionira na način na koji bi (po meni) trebalo funkcionirati. Mislim da Death in the Family drži status nekakvog Batman klasika zbog svog utjecaja na neke Batmanove likove (kao što vidimo i po naslovu), a ne zbog same kvalitete. Posebno se to vidi u nekim kasnijim poglavljima u kojima (SPOILER! pišem za one koji su čitali) Joker postaje Iranski ambasador. Mislim, koji k? No, ako ništa, Aparov crtež je zato stvarno lijep.
Doduše, novija izdanja često sadrže i priču A Lonely Place of Dying koju nisam čitao, tako da ne mogu suditi o njenoj kvaliteti. |
Would a new flood please finally come? A real rain and an assortment of plagues And when all is said and done, even the Devil won't care enough to spit in the mud
https://www.last.fm/user/Pakaa |
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PaoloRivera
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Posted - 12/11/2021 : 17:22:36
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E, vidis, drago mi je ako je Aparov crtez tako dobar jer je meni neke stvari vrijedno nabavit vec samo zbog crteza, koncepta ili znacaja nekog dogadaja u prici, cak i ako mi prica sama po sebi nije za vise od jednog citanja. Onda nemam dileme, uzet cu Smrt u porodici 
Sto se Enemy of the State tice, bas sam neki dan prodao prvu CK knjigu i isti dan kasnije cuo da ga spominju u Cartoonist Kayfabe kao nesto po cemu pamte Marvel iz 2000-ih. I sad razbijam glavu dal da ga opet kupim, ali ovog puta obje knjige, i zavrsim citanje do kraja jer sam se prve knjige bas i odlucio rijesit jer me se ta prva polovica price nije dojmila… mozda sam trebao procitat do kraja prije konacne presude? Ili su Piskor i Rugg opet nesto zabrijali? Zanimaju me sad i misljenja drugih. |
Edited by - PaoloRivera on 12/11/2021 17:23:17 |
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Peyo
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Posted - 12/11/2021 : 17:41:19
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quote: Originally posted by Paka01
Nažalost nisam čitao tu od Millara pa ne mogu usporediti. Inače nisam neki preveliki poznavatelj priča iz tog Batmanovog perioda, no ova mi je ostala u lošem sjećanju zato što kao pokušava ići na neku ozbiljnu i donekle kompleksnu radnju, no sve to skupa ne funkcionira na način na koji bi (po meni) trebalo funkcionirati. Mislim da Death in the Family drži status nekakvog Batman klasika zbog svog utjecaja na neke Batmanove likove (kao što vidimo i po naslovu), a ne zbog same kvalitete. Posebno se to vidi u nekim kasnijim poglavljima u kojima (SPOILER! pišem za one koji su čitali) Joker postaje Iranski ambasador. Mislim, koji k? No, ako ništa, Aparov crtež je zato stvarno lijep.
Doduše, novija izdanja često sadrže i priču A Lonely Place of Dying koju nisam čitao, tako da ne mogu suditi o njenoj kvaliteti.
Mislim da si skroz krivo shvatio Death (ako nisi ti onda sam ja). Naime, ja sam (a čitao sam ga prije više od 30-ak godina) ga shvatio kao nezahtjevnu (izuzev tragičnog događaja rekao bih prije svega u komercijalne svrhe) lakozabavnu avanturističku zezanciju (što je po meni idealna pozicija za avanturistički strip).
Death treba gledati i s obzirom na vrijeme nastanka, a to je prije 9/11, Reagan je još predsjednik, a Arapi/islamisti se tek uvode kroz medije (npr. Povratak u budućnost) kao budući veliki neprijatelji.
Aparov crtež mi je sasvim ok, a scenarij ima dobrih momenata, a jedan od ponajboljih mi je pri kraju sa Supermanom. Ovo što pišeš za Jokera i njegov angažman je dobar štos, a ako si gledao Argo jasno ti je da bi taj režim angažirao i crnog vraga da iritira Amere. Pogledaj samo npr. ponašanje Mahmuda Ahmadinežada dok je bio predsjednik Irana.
A Lonely Place of Dying mi je među manje zanimljivim/osrednje kvalitetnim Batsovima. |
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Paka01
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Posted - 12/11/2021 : 17:44:15
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Eh, moguće, čitao sam ga ima 10ak godina i nisam mu se vraćao nakon toga, možda bih i morao osvježiti pamćenje, međutim stvarno me niti malo ne privlači da mu opet dajem još jednu šansu. |
Would a new flood please finally come? A real rain and an assortment of plagues And when all is said and done, even the Devil won't care enough to spit in the mud
https://www.last.fm/user/Pakaa |
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swamp thing
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Posted - 12/11/2021 : 21:08:26
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quote: Originally posted by PaoloRivera
E, vidis, drago mi je ako je Aparov crtez tako dobar jer je meni neke stvari vrijedno nabavit vec samo zbog crteza, koncepta ili znacaja nekog dogadaja u prici, cak i ako mi prica sama po sebi nije za vise od jednog citanja. Onda nemam dileme, uzet cu Smrt u porodici 
Sto se Enemy of the State tice, bas sam neki dan prodao prvu CK knjigu i isti dan kasnije cuo da ga spominju u Cartoonist Kayfabe kao nesto po cemu pamte Marvel iz 2000-ih. I sad razbijam glavu dal da ga opet kupim, ali ovog puta obje knjige, i zavrsim citanje do kraja jer sam se prve knjige bas i odlucio rijesit jer me se ta prva polovica price nije dojmila… mozda sam trebao procitat do kraja prije konacne presude? Ili su Piskor i Rugg opet nesto zabrijali? Zanimaju me sad i misljenja drugih.
Meni je bio u najbolju ruku prosjek, baš me razočarao kad sam ga nabavio prije 10-ak godina. Ako ti se nije svidjela prva polovica, neće ni druga. |
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alexts
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Posted - 12/11/2021 : 21:33:40
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Velika većina starijih Betmena ne pati od Snajderove megalomanije, naduvavanja, preterivanja, neumerenosti i neverovatnosti u svojoj kvaziozbiljnosti.
Tako da sve što nije Snajder, a jeste verno ideji originalno zamišljenog Betmena, biće osveženje na našem tržištu. |
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alexts
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Posted - 12/11/2021 : 21:37:53
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Aparov crtež u ovom delu karijere nije na nivou onom od 10-ak i više godina ranije, čisto da se zna, ali je vrlo dobar. |
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Peyo
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Posted - 12/11/2021 : 21:42:37
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quote: Originally posted by alexts
Velika većina starijih Betmena ne pati od Snajderove megalomanije, naduvavanja, preterivanja, neumerenosti i neverovatnosti u svojoj kvaziozbiljnosti.
Tako da sve što nije Snajder, a jeste verno ideji originalno zamišljenog Betmena, biće osveženje na našem tržištu.
Potpisujem sve. |
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Paka01
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Posted - 12/11/2021 : 21:50:08
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quote: Originally posted by alexts
Velika većina starijih Betmena ne pati od Snajderove megalomanije, naduvavanja, preterivanja, neumerenosti i neverovatnosti u svojoj kvaziozbiljnosti.
Tako da sve što nije Snajder, a jeste verno ideji originalno zamišljenog Betmena, biće osveženje na našem tržištu.
Naravno, uvijek je lijepo vidjeti pokojeg starijeg Batmana, no i unatoč tome nemam neko pozitivno mišljenje oko ovog naslova. Nije ovo recimo na razini kvalitete Strange Apparitions ili tako nečega. |
Would a new flood please finally come? A real rain and an assortment of plagues And when all is said and done, even the Devil won't care enough to spit in the mud
https://www.last.fm/user/Pakaa |
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ridiculus
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Posted - 12/11/2021 : 22:26:01
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quote: Originally posted by alexts
Velika većina starijih Betmena ne pati od Snajderove megalomanije, naduvavanja, preterivanja, neumerenosti i neverovatnosti u svojoj kvaziozbiljnosti.
Snyder je jedan od retkih koji su me doveli u stanje da želim da bacim knjigu ili svesku koju čitam na zid, zbog količine propusta i budalaština koje ubacuje da bi mu priče bile, valjda, šokantnije. Tresla se gora, rodio se miš. Srećom, radilo se o digitalnom izdanju. Američki vampir, konkretno. Naslov koji bi, po svim postavkama, trebalo da mi se svidi. Ali nije. A volim Albuquerque-ja.
Zato i ne pričam o Snyderu. Ali ipak me čudi da se taj naslov (American Vampire) ne pominje češće. |
Thought's the slave of life, and life Time's fool. |
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PaoloRivera
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Posted - 13/11/2021 : 00:49:54
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quote: Originally posted by swamp thing
quote: Originally posted by PaoloRivera
E, vidis, drago mi je ako je Aparov crtez tako dobar jer je meni neke stvari vrijedno nabavit vec samo zbog crteza, koncepta ili znacaja nekog dogadaja u prici, cak i ako mi prica sama po sebi nije za vise od jednog citanja. Onda nemam dileme, uzet cu Smrt u porodici 
Sto se Enemy of the State tice, bas sam neki dan prodao prvu CK knjigu i isti dan kasnije cuo da ga spominju u Cartoonist Kayfabe kao nesto po cemu pamte Marvel iz 2000-ih. I sad razbijam glavu dal da ga opet kupim, ali ovog puta obje knjige, i zavrsim citanje do kraja jer sam se prve knjige bas i odlucio rijesit jer me se ta prva polovica price nije dojmila… mozda sam trebao procitat do kraja prije konacne presude? Ili su Piskor i Rugg opet nesto zabrijali? Zanimaju me sad i misljenja drugih.
Meni je bio u najbolju ruku prosjek, baš me razočarao kad sam ga nabavio prije 10-ak godina. Ako ti se nije svidjela prva polovica, neće ni druga.
Šteta jer pojedini elementi sa SHIELD-om i Kitty Pride u X-Mansionu imaju puno šarma, i ima duhovitih dijaloga, ali priča mi je ipak ostavljala dojam ispraznosti. Ne mislim pritom na akciju samo radi akcije, to mi je skroz ok, nego mi ona teleportacija i slična neorganska mumbo jumbo rješenja nekako nisu pripadala Wolverine mythosu. A i JR Jr. kao da je sfušario svoj dio. Ali kažem, ima šarma koji me vuče ...
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john connor
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Posted - 13/11/2021 : 23:51:40
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I nastavlja se losa praksa, nakon Spirua 1 tiskanog u Rotogr, po cobissu, 2 i 3 su prebaceni u ocajni Simbol, Sami 2 isto vise nisu u Rotogra nego u Grafostilu...ovo je vec vidjeno na Dzeremaji, Valijantu koje sam i prestao da kupujem zbog toga, po meni nepostovanje kupaca, navlacenje prvim knjigama, da bi nastavili kupovinu uprkos losim tehnikalijama, veoma bezobrazno od strane Ck, a moglo bi se nazvati i svojevrsnom prevarom...ruzno zaista...unistice desetine naslova da ih niko nikada vise u Srb ne objavi kako treba...
Postenije bi bilo da su odmah krenuli sa Simbolom, pa kome smeta neka ne kupuje, nego ovako naopako da rade... |
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borg
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Posted - 14/11/2021 : 00:00:11
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Kompromis... Lošije ide prodaja, pa ili da prekinu serijal ili prebace u jeftiniju štampariju...
Ili druga varijanta:
Nije Simbol toliko loš. Gotovo da nema razlike sa Rotografikom. Bar tako vide u ČK, zato i ne čudi što im je svejedno gde koji nastavak ide. |
Resistance is futile. |
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john connor
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Posted - 14/11/2021 : 00:04:49
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Sto se mene tice, bolje da nisu ni ulazili u stripove, ne bi se po..ali po desetinama naslova...one skracene amere da ne pominjem, to je vec nakaradno na kvadrat...a po toj logici svakom serijalu lose ide prodaja, jer na svakom su to napravili, a izdanja izlaze kao na traci...radovao sam se onomad i Dzeremaji, i Valijantu, sada mi stizu i Spiru i Talicni, i ovog potonjeg ce garant uajebati, jbg ludom radovanje... |
Edited by - john connor on 14/11/2021 00:05:21 |
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john connor
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borg
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alaniusfordius
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Posted - 14/11/2021 : 01:24:35
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Za Talicnog je dobra vest sto postoji alternativa u obliku Cinebookovih integrala - reprint prva tri je ocekivan od 17og novembra, kada ce se pojaviti i knjige 4 i 5... |
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swamp thing
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Posted - 14/11/2021 : 08:02:25
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quote: Originally posted by john connor
Sto se mene tice, bolje da nisu ni ulazili u stripove, ne bi se po..ali po desetinama naslova...one skracene amere da ne pominjem, to je vec nakaradno na kvadrat...a po toj logici svakom serijalu lose ide prodaja, jer na svakom su to napravili, a izdanja izlaze kao na traci...radovao sam se onomad i Dzeremaji, i Valijantu, sada mi stizu i Spiru i Talicni, i ovog potonjeg ce garant uajebati, jbg ludom radovanje...
ČK zaslužuje poprilično kritika, npr. skraćeni ameri, izbacivanje sadržaja, objavljivanje samo dijelova pojedinih "run-ova", ali se brate poprilično i pregoni. Upravo sam maksuz uzeo ponovo Džeremaje i prelistavao, gledao da li krckaju, puckaju, kakav je otisak, kakav je uvez i nisam našao nikakvu, ali baš nikakvu razliku u kvalitetu između integrala koje je radio Roto s onima iz Simbola. Čak mi se čini da je ponegdje kod Roto znala uletiti mutnije odštampana stranica. Ja stvarno ne vidim šta je, evo konkretno kod Džeremaje, "ujebano". |
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