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Cromwell
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Posted - 14/07/2020 : 11:14:56
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Od gotovo svake pročitam zanimljivosti. Kompletne već godinama ne, osim ako se radi o nekom stripu koji mi je izuzetno drag. |
Bok, kako si.
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DinkoJ
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Posted - 14/07/2020 : 12:07:19
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Na početku sam čitao samo one junake koje pratim ali sada čitam sve i primjetio sam da češće glasam za recenzije strip junaka koje ne pratim nego one koje pratim.
Ali primjetio sam nešto drugo da jako često znam potražiti recenziju stripa kojeg planiram nabaviti tako da ove recenzije već sad predstavljaju vrijednu bazu podataka za stripofile te će tek s vremenom dobiti onu pravu vrijednost nešto poput enciklopedije stripa. |
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Barker
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Fyro Macedonia
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Posted - 14/07/2020 : 12:41:21
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quote: Originally posted by Paka01
Zanimljivi rezultati za sada, nisam očekivao toliku izjednačenost B, C i D odgovora.
Meni su vise u domenu razocarenja, ocigledno puno ljudi cak ni ne zeli procitati recke. A ja sam od onih koji se raduju dok citaju nove komentare na iste . |
Bistro i duboko nebo utociste pruza! |
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solar
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DiSkAcH
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Posted - 14/07/2020 : 13:36:48
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Ja ih ne čitam jer su obično preopširne. Volio bi da su puno kraće. Zato radije čitam dojmove kolega tu na forumu, to je obično kratko i sažeto. |
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Sheldon
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Serbia
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Posted - 14/07/2020 : 16:08:28
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Uglavnom pročitam, ne baš svaku. Ali najvažniji činilac mi je prosečna ocena čitaoca. Čak sam za neke stripove prebacivao tu ocenu u moj popis bitnih junaka (kao i mesto na ubc za one koje ima). Bitan mi je i broj pregleda i recenzija, često tako sortiraj kad hoću da vidim najbolje priče nekih junaka (mada najviše pregleda imaju one starije recenzije). Preletim i po ocenama forumaša, naročito nekih čije mišljenje cenim, a uvažavam svačije (svi uglavnom znaju više od mene, naročito u vezi scenarista i crtača). Pročitam obavezno one duže komentare i one čija je ocena drastično različita od moje ili od prosečne, da vidim sta to nisam skontao... |
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wesskowaz
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Serbia
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Kila Banana
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Posted - 14/07/2020 : 16:46:51
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Pokušavam sve nove, od starih samo kad pročitam neki strip (i sve od Alana, dakako ). |
Mili Bože, zašto si me stvorio, što me nisi u kamen pretvorio? |
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andjusticeforall
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Croatia
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Deki86
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Croatia
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Posted - 16/11/2021 : 21:05:22
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Ja najčešće odem nakon što pročitam neki strip. Ponekad otvorim neku novu recenziju da vidim o čemu se radi, da li će me zaintrigirati. Pogotovo ako se radi o nekom strip junaku kojeg do sada nisam previše čitao. Volim vidjeti komentare drugih ljudi jednako kao i samu recenziju. Dođe ga kao mali forum unutar recenzije. |
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Jocko
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Posted - 16/11/2021 : 21:39:36
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Najcesce ih citam tek nakon sto procitam recenzirani strip, zbog mogucih spojlera. Nekad ovlas predjem po recenziji i komentarima, cisto kao smernice sta citati ili sta zaobici, ali se trudim da ne zasnivam sud na osnovu komentara, jos pre nego sto procitam strip. Vise puta se desilo i da procitam strip koji inace ne bi jer me je neka recenzija ili komentar navuklo da procitam. Zato i ne glasam za recenziji meseca, jer uglavnom ne citam recenzije koje me se ne ticu (Zagor, Nathan, Miki, i gomila drugih), pa bi mi bilo nefer da im dajem nekakve poene. Ali nema lepseg osecaja od onog kad procitas strip, pa saznas da ima opsirna i kvalitetna recenzija, plus gomila komentara komentatora punih entuzijazma.
Zanimljivo mi je takodje videti koliko se prosecna ocena za neki strip koji sam ja recenzirao razlikuje od moje ocene. Prijatan je osecaj kad ti neko pohvali recenziju, to je najveca nagrada za trud. A dobro je videti i oprecna misljenja.
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Dwayne_Looney
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Posted - 16/11/2021 : 21:49:52
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Ova anketa mi je prošla "ispod radara". Zanimljivo je jer se sjećam da je tamo negdje kad sam se učlanjivao na home page-u dugo stajala anketa s, hajde, pomalo drukčijim rezultatima: https://www.stripovi.com/index.asp?page=show_poll&PollID=54 Znači tu 1/4 stripofila kaže da im recenzije predstavljaju najdraži dio sajta.
Tako da bih možda rekao da je tinton u pravu jer imamo 2 grupe stripofila: jedne, koji na sajt dolaze preko foruma, ono direktno upadnu na forum i to im je područje djelovanja (vjerojatno je zato nekima i možda promakla anketa, haha), a drugi tu nemaju 2-3 posta godišnje i dođu čitati recenzije i komentirati stripove (+ aukcije vjerojatno). U komentarima recenzija ima nick-ova koje uopće ne viđam na forumu. |
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AleksandarN
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Posted - 16/11/2021 : 22:29:45
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Uglavnom ne jer mi je dovoljan preview i sinopsis za kupovinu. Ponekad procitam par recenzija kad procitam strip.
Vidim da mnogi dolaze na forum da bi citali ili pisali recenzije, meni je forum vise da saznam novosti oko novih izdanje ali i strarih koje sam mozda propustio.
Jedino sto sigurno necu citati su recenzije recenzija a i toga ima ove primetio sam.  |
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ReemCP
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Croatia
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Posted - 16/11/2021 : 22:59:00
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Čitam sve recenzije u ovo novije doba (za ljetnih mjeseci je to malo teži poduhvat, ali stigne se nekako), pored foruma taj dio sajta mi je i najdraži, ali rekao bih da je taj recenzentski dio sajta zapravo i jedan od razloga zašto sajt postoji, zašto je stvoren - omogućava nam da čitamo o stripu, a i sami komentiramo i razmjenujemo svoje mišljenje. Čitam ih po nekoliko puta, jedan dio čitanja je više u istraživačke svrhe gdje više obraćam pažnju na raspored rečenica i općenito način na koji se recenzent izražava.
U posljednje vrijeme, veoma me se dojmila Jerryjeva recenzija Nathana, baš jedna sadržajna, fino dozirana pa i na momente, emotivna recenzija. Takve recenzije mogu bez problema pročitati i 5x s lakoćom, dođu kao pravo osvježenje (a još niti ne čitam tog junaka). Netko tko ne čita recenzije, nažalost ne zna što propušta, zaista se može puno toga dobroga saznati i naučiti.
Jedino kod recenzija starijeg datuma, e tu dobro pazim, čitam ih isključivo nakon pročitanog stripa. Nekoliko puta sam se opekao i naletio na spoilere. I dobro da tako radim, u posljednje vrijeme sam baš čitao neke starije Nickove recenzije ali nakon pročitanih epizoda, u kojima ne samo da se sazna tko je ubojica, nego i postoji slika u recenziji gdje odmah to vidiš bez čitanja recenzije  |
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prop_ovednik
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sawitch
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Vlladimir
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Posted - 17/11/2021 : 08:52:23
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Stara ekipa tipa Profa, Darkvud Devil, Colt, Ned Mace, Djole, Deecay... to su bile recenzije - konkretne i sadržajne. Za čitanje, uživanje. I motivacija, da nabaviš ili preskočiš strip. Ovo posle je u velikoj meri, prepričavanje epizoda, spojlerisanje, kobasičarenje...
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Spock
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Croatia
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Posted - 17/11/2021 : 09:06:21
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quote: Originally posted by Vlladimir
Stara ekipa tipa Profa, Darkvud Devil, Colt, Ned Mace, Djole, Deecay... to su bile recenzije - konkretne i sadržajne. Za čitanje, uživanje. I motivacija, da nabaviš ili preskočiš strip. Ovo posle je u velikoj meri, prepričavanje epizoda, spojlerisanje, kobasičarenje...
Tako je! 
Ovo su npr. prave iskonske recenzije - konkretne i sadržajne: https://www.stripovi.com/recenzije/tex-willer-tx-lu-57-60-yucatan/108/ https://www.stripovi.com/recenzije/zagor-zg-lex-91-92-crna-bozica/97/ https://www.stripovi.com/recenzije/nathan-never-nn-lu-45-maskirani-osvetnik/103/ https://www.stripovi.com/recenzije/zagor-zg-lex-84-86-decko-pik/96/
i vrhunac https://www.stripovi.com/recenzije/zagor-zg-lex-92-bozic-kalibra-45/95/
Ovo su samo neke random odabrane, prava je šteta što ih nema više ovakvih!  |
Kamo god da kreneš, uvijek si tu. |
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ReemCP
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Posted - 17/11/2021 : 10:01:18
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Uh, ima tu još primjera, ali bolje ne nabrajati. Uglavnom, nikako se ne slažem s Vlladom za sadašnje stanje, a-a.
Kako je Grofica jednom napisala, u svojoj kontrarecenziji za jednu stariju recenziju koja je u svega par rečenica napisana da je ona jednostavno..
quote: ..dokument prošlog vremena u kojem je možda i dobro funkcionirala, ali s današnje točke gledišta izgleda zastarjelo. U usporedbi s recenzijama koje se danas objavljuju, izgleda kao jedan malo suvisliji komentar.
Ima dosta takvih otprije, ali bila su to neka druga vremena, počeci sajta pa je to posve i razumljivo. Danas je letvica visoko postavljena i stvari su se u mnogome promijenile, tekstovi su puno zahtjevniji za pisanje i ne prolazi baš svašta što bi nekada prošlo bez pogovora. Tko nije zadovoljan objavljenom recenzijom u današnje vrijeme (pa i s onima otprije), u bilo kojem trenutku može napisati kontrarecenziju i objavit' će mu se, ako naravno svi preduvjeti budu zadovoljeni po onim pravilima "kuharice".
Meni isto, dakako, fale neki stari recenzenti, tu bih spomenuo ljude kao što su: Vega, flamboyant soul, fantom, Inferno... pitam se, gdje su ti ljudi, prate li danas sajt, bace li nekad pogled na isti, čitaju li još stripove... |
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Dwayne_Looney
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Posted - 17/11/2021 : 10:17:41
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Da sad netko želi slijediti ovaj nivo ("nivo") ne bi ostalo za recenzirati ništa u roku od pola godine. Ali, nisam svjedok vremena, trebalo je napisati ponešto, vjerojatno više zato da bi se mogao stvoriti prostor za komentare... tako da poštujem svačiji rad. Što se tiče kontrarecenzija, nisam uopće za njih, ali tko ima volje neka piše, pročitat ću. |
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vukozec
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Posted - 17/11/2021 : 11:07:51
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quote: Originally posted by Spock
quote: Originally posted by Vlladimir
Stara ekipa tipa Profa, Darkvud Devil, Colt, Ned Mace, Djole, Deecay... to su bile recenzije - konkretne i sadržajne. Za čitanje, uživanje. I motivacija, da nabaviš ili preskočiš strip. Ovo posle je u velikoj meri, prepričavanje epizoda, spojlerisanje, kobasičarenje...
Tako je! 
Ovo su npr. prave iskonske recenzije - konkretne i sadržajne: https://www.stripovi.com/recenzije/tex-willer-tx-lu-57-60-yucatan/108/ https://www.stripovi.com/recenzije/zagor-zg-lex-91-92-crna-bozica/97/ https://www.stripovi.com/recenzije/nathan-never-nn-lu-45-maskirani-osvetnik/103/ https://www.stripovi.com/recenzije/zagor-zg-lex-84-86-decko-pik/96/
i vrhunac https://www.stripovi.com/recenzije/zagor-zg-lex-92-bozic-kalibra-45/95/
Ovo su samo neke random odabrane, prava je šteta što ih nema više ovakvih! 
Ovi primjeri i nisu recenzije, to su obični komentari u par subjektivnih rečenica.
No mnoge recenzije su preduge, Markovi konaci.
Prava vještina kojoj treba težiti je pronaći zlatni rez između sažetog i opširnog. Držeći se novinarsko-kritičarske abecede (tko-što-gdje-kada-kako-zašto) koncizno iznijeti nužne informacije, argumentirani sud i poantu, maksimalno trimajući sve suvišno i sporedno. |
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Vlladimir
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Posted - 17/11/2021 : 13:44:19
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quote: Originally posted by Spock
quote: Originally posted by Vlladimir
Stara ekipa tipa Profa, Darkvud Devil, Colt, Ned Mace, Djole, Deecay... to su bile recenzije - konkretne i sadržajne. Za čitanje, uživanje. I motivacija, da nabaviš ili preskočiš strip. Ovo posle je u velikoj meri, prepričavanje epizoda, spojlerisanje, kobasičarenje...
Tako je! 
Ovo su npr. prave iskonske recenzije - konkretne i sadržajne: https://www.stripovi.com/recenzije/tex-willer-tx-lu-57-60-yucatan/108/ https://www.stripovi.com/recenzije/zagor-zg-lex-91-92-crna-bozica/97/ https://www.stripovi.com/recenzije/nathan-never-nn-lu-45-maskirani-osvetnik/103/ https://www.stripovi.com/recenzije/zagor-zg-lex-84-86-decko-pik/96/
i vrhunac https://www.stripovi.com/recenzije/zagor-zg-lex-92-bozic-kalibra-45/95/
Ovo su samo neke random odabrane, prava je šteta što ih nema više ovakvih! 
Pa šta...
Bolje i tako nego da u dva pasusa ima ovakve momente:
''Nema što, Annie sama je opasnija od samog vojnog odreda, a sve njene akcije su prožete humorom, a u biti uopće nisu nerealne, već genijalne u okviru vremena odvijanja radnje u serijalu.''
a ondak: Kako sam već spomenuo, vizualni dio je većinom prilično neuvjerljiv i uvelike ostavlja dojam neozbiljne priče.
... crtež se čini sve neprecizniji, ponegdje čak i nedovršen....
Ako je crtež prilično neuverljiv, neprecizan, nedovršen, kako može prikazati sve akcije realnim i genijalnim ?
izvor: https://www.stripovi.com/recenzije/kit-teller-kt-vg-84-85-kraljica-tame/2654/
Ili da ne ulazim u to, i koja je poenta da se u polovini recenzije jedne epizode o Mister Nou citira stinky? potpuna nebitnoća. https://www.stripovi.com/recenzije/mister-no-mn-lib-13-trazi-se-carlos-gomez/2252/
Za recenziju: https://www.stripovi.com/recenzije/zagor-zg-bop-24b-svi-za-huna-hun-za-sve/2278/
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ReemCP
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Croatia
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Posted - 17/11/2021 : 13:53:55
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quote: Originally posted by vukozec
No mnoge recenzije su preduge, Markovi konaci.
Zamolio bih te, ako ti nije problem, navesti nekoliko primjera (4-5), odnosno linkati recenzije za koje misliš da su preduge.
Pitam iz razloga jer mislim za vlastite da su prekratke ponekad i da bi možda u nekim segmentima trebao ići u podrobniju analizu, a sad vidim po komentarima i nekim razmišljanjima čitatelja recenzija, da bi to čak izazvalo kontraefekt :) |
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zeljko
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Paka01
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Croatia
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Posted - 17/11/2021 : 14:05:07
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My two cents 
Ja se npr. slažem da su neke recenzije preduge, no to sve ovisi o preferencama čitatelja. Ja recimo nemam volje čitati neke ubitačno duge disertacije, pogotovo ako je u recenziji obrađen ama baš svaki korak koji likovi rade unutar stripa. Mislim, čemu to?
Doduše, i sam sam upao u tu zamku par puta, pogotovo s recenzijom Green Lantern: Rebirth koja je apsolutno preduga. Takvi tekstovi bi trebali ići u magazin, a ne u recenzije. |
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