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ŠAŠ
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Posted - 10/01/2023 : 09:42:23
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ma nije mi uopće do melodičnosti,već do nekog smislenog melosa iliti ''hook'' za koji se mogu uhvatit,zapamtit,otpjevušit.nešto što ću zapamtit nakon što ugasim album,a ne što zvuči kao prvo što je uzeo gitaru i počeo mrljat po njoj.
ajde ti sastavi top albume pa da vidimo,rado bi prostudirao listu |
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Poli
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Posted - 10/01/2023 : 10:06:27
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Probaj mozda sa ovim Svabama, meni definitivno među top 3 albuma prosle godine ako ne i najbolji (moram jos malo prestudirati i preslusati sta sve je izaslo i sta mi je do sada promaklo). Recimo posljednja stvar na albumu, kod 30 min pocinje. Sad, jeste u pitanju post black metal, ali kakav brate! Druga stvar (za koju su napravili i videospot, malo prije 10 minute krece) ima mozda neke malo vise melo hooke, ali mi nesto i pomalo smeta kod nje. https://youtu.be/V-vbcbCvaKg
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Cromwell
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Posted - 10/01/2023 : 11:48:25
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quote: Originally posted by ŠAŠ ali nisam ni to siguran.ono što primjećujem u zadnje vrijeme je da podžanrovi kao black/death klize previše u disonantnu kaljužu i čini mi se da je ta pomodnost sad postala novi standard.bez imalo melodičnosti i aranžmanskog koncepta ovi podžanrovi su prihvatili kaos kao koncept i sad ga svi guraju.budući da takva disonanta glazba ne zahtjeva previše kreativnog angažmana ostaje mi samo utapat se u tom pretencioznom mulju.još nešto:ni jedan dobar riff nisam čuo,niti jedan!
Je, dobro si detektirao problem. Ali rekao bih da to nije problem u zadnje vrijeme nego sigurno zadnjih deset+ godina. Kada bih tražio krivce mislim da bi to bili Portal, DSO a možda čak i neki albumi Blut Aus Norda. Disonantno muljanje čisto ekstremnosti radi. I onda još kad se sound složi po nekim valjda aktualnim standardima dobijemo bendove bez ikakvog WOW efekta, odnosno bez ičeg autentičnog u bilokojem smislu. Od 20-30 DM albuma koje sam preslušao ove godine, na prste jedne ruke mogu nabrojati one koji imaju "ono nešto". Ista stvar i sa BMom |
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Posted - 10/01/2023 : 14:34:38
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quote: Originally posted by Cromwell
quote: Originally posted by ŠAŠ ali nisam ni to siguran.ono što primjećujem u zadnje vrijeme je da podžanrovi kao black/death klize previše u disonantnu kaljužu i čini mi se da je ta pomodnost sad postala novi standard.bez imalo melodičnosti i aranžmanskog koncepta ovi podžanrovi su prihvatili kaos kao koncept i sad ga svi guraju.budući da takva disonanta glazba ne zahtjeva previše kreativnog angažmana ostaje mi samo utapat se u tom pretencioznom mulju.još nešto:ni jedan dobar riff nisam čuo,niti jedan!
Je, dobro si detektirao problem. Ali rekao bih da to nije problem u zadnje vrijeme nego sigurno zadnjih deset+ godina. Kada bih tražio krivce mislim da bi to bili Portal, DSO a možda čak i neki albumi Blut Aus Norda. Disonantno muljanje čisto ekstremnosti radi. I onda još kad se sound složi po nekim valjda aktualnim standardima dobijemo bendove bez ikakvog WOW efekta, odnosno bez ičeg autentičnog u bilokojem smislu. Od 20-30 DM albuma koje sam preslušao ove godine, na prste jedne ruke mogu nabrojati one koji imaju "ono nešto". Ista stvar i sa BMom
Dobro je, mislija sam da sam jedini s takvim mišljenjem. Ni meni ne leži ovaj "disonantni" trend koji se gura kroz zadnjih x godina... Rijetko tu nađem nešto što mi baš odgovara. |
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Poli
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Posted - 10/01/2023 : 14:55:02
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Sto se ovih "disonantnih" tice, to je kao i uvijek kada se nađe nesto novo i svi bi zeljeli posnimati, slicno je bilo i u drugoj polovini 90-ih sto se tice death metala. Svi samo blast do besvijesti i sve se utopilo u moru mediokritete, bas je bilo malo bandova koji si necim odstupali, se isticali (ne znam, prvi Nile npr.). Tako ce i s ovima, vremenom ce neki prezivjeti "test vremena", ostalo ce biti zaboravljeno ili zapamceno kao nesto osrednje, solidno. Meni npr. kod black metala pase sto je nastao i taj "post" podzanr, gdje mogu naci sebi neke bas dobre stvarcice. Cak i AOTY (npr. Regarde les Hommes Tomber u 2020). Isto u death metalu sa Ulcerate u 2020, prejeben album su napravili, a ima nesto toga "disonantnog", no tamo sve stima i produkcija je toliko jebacka da mogu album slusati i samo zbog nje. Naravno nema toliko kaosa i histerije i pretjerivanja na ovom albumu, pa je sve palo na svoje mjesto, ima tih catchy momenata i hookova, dosta melodije i atmosfere, jedino za nekoga tko ih slusa prvi put mozda treba da se navikne na nacin pjevanja i da zapamti te linije i atmosferu, nesto toga se ponavlja kroz album.
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lwood
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Posted - 10/01/2023 : 21:06:16
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quote: Originally posted by ŠAŠ
quote: Originally posted by Poli
Albumi godine 2022 na Metal Archives... https://forum.metal-archives.com/viewtopic.php?p=3079669&fbclid=IwAR2rSgYlPqE82vfxV7-30Bc3V5gTnxopWALuv1YcTbTVZN_q0uTWrQhCKaU#p3079669
jučer sam malo na preskokce preslušavao top albume,njih prvih tridesetak.na prvu me ništa nije zaintrigiralo da nastavim dalje slušati,možda immolation,ali nisam ni to siguran.ono što primjećujem u zadnje vrijeme je da podžanrovi kao black/death klize previše u disonantnu kaljužu i čini mi se da je ta pomodnost sad postala novi standard.bez imalo melodičnosti i aranžmanskog koncepta ovi podžanrovi su prihvatili kaos kao koncept i sad ga svi guraju.budući da takva disonanta glazba ne zahtjeva previše kreativnog angažmana ostaje mi samo utapat se u tom pretencioznom mulju.još nešto:ni jedan dobar riff nisam čuo,niti jedan!
Ovako nekako bi izgleda moj upis prije 30 godina, da je bilo interneta. Ono šta ti smatraš žanrovima su (velikon većinon) loši podžanrovi. 99% metala nakon osandesetih je pretenciozni mulj. Iron Maiden je Heavy metal ostalo sve su podžanrovi . |
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lwood
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Posted - 11/01/2023 : 20:23:39
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quote: Originally posted by lwood
Nije,nego si prestar
Ne. Kod HMa je stvar strašno jednostavna. Postoji Iron Maiden i brdo podžanrova . Od toga brda podžanrova vridi Thrash, 4-5 Detah metal albuma, a ostalo je uglavnon pretenciozno preseravanje. Nedavno san gleda neki dokumentarac o HMu, i kaže Dio da mu je najdraže kad mu Norveški, najopasniji na svijetu metalci, priđu sa dičjin glason "Hi Mr. Dio, could you please sign my mothers LP?". |
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Posted - 11/01/2023 : 20:35:33
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quote: Originally posted by Paka01
Javlja se moralna vertikala Dio, spasitelj metala. U stvari govno od čovika 
Neman pojma u stvari o Diu, ne volin njegovu muziku, ali ovo je dobro uboa. Klinčadija koja se igra sotonizma. Na stranu moja objektivnost kad je moderni metal u pitanju, ovi Mejhemi i Gorgoroti su za ispleskat ili za se smijat. |
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Posted - 11/01/2023 : 20:40:21
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Ma to spominjem jer mi je smišno kad neko govori kakav je tko od glazbenika privatno (posebno ako je i ta osoba sama po sebi na baš bajna), kao da je to išta bitno.  Muzika je tu glavna i na nju bi trebalo obraćati pažnju, sve ostalo je sporedno.
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NESVRSTANI
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Posted - 11/01/2023 : 20:47:07
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quote: Originally posted by Paka01
Ma to spominjem jer mi je smišno kad neko govori kakav je tko od glazbenika privatno (posebno ako je i ta osoba sama po sebi na baš bajna), kao da je to išta bitno.  Muzika je tu glavna i na nju bi trebalo obraćati pažnju, sve ostalo je sporedno.
Ma meni je smišno da neko 2023. priča kako metal skreće u pogrešnon smjeru .
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Posted - 11/01/2023 : 20:49:41
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Muzika ide dalje ka i sve drugo. Da ne ide slusali bi sad svi starije stvari. Nema to veze s metalom nego opcenito. I to je dobro. Zamisli da slusamo frule. |
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Posted - 11/01/2023 : 20:54:00
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quote: Originally posted by lwood
Muzika ide dalje ka i sve drugo. Da ne ide slusali bi sad svi starije stvari. Nema to veze s metalom nego opcenito. I to je dobro. Zamisli da slusamo frule.
Nikidan san za u auto skinija prva 3 albuma od Nuclear Assault. To je malo mlađe od frule. |
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Posted - 11/01/2023 : 21:08:58
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quote: Originally posted by NESVRSTANI
quote: Originally posted by lwood
Nije,nego si prestar
Ne. Kod HMa je stvar strašno jednostavna. Postoji Iron Maiden i brdo podžanrova . Od toga brda podžanrova vridi Thrash, 4-5 Detah metal albuma, a ostalo je uglavnon pretenciozno preseravanje. Nedavno san gleda neki dokumentarac o HMu, i kaže Dio da mu je najdraže kad mu Norveški, najopasniji na svijetu metalci, priđu sa dičjin glason "Hi Mr. Dio, could you please sign my mothers LP?".
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Posted - 11/01/2023 : 21:12:10
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quote: Originally posted by ŠAŠ
quote: Originally posted by NESVRSTANI
quote: Originally posted by lwood
Nije,nego si prestar
Ne. Kod HMa je stvar strašno jednostavna. Postoji Iron Maiden i brdo podžanrova . Od toga brda podžanrova vridi Thrash, 4-5 Detah metal albuma, a ostalo je uglavnon pretenciozno preseravanje. Nedavno san gleda neki dokumentarac o HMu, i kaže Dio da mu je najdraže kad mu Norveški, najopasniji na svijetu metalci, priđu sa dičjin glason "Hi Mr. Dio, could you please sign my mothers LP?".
to nije bio dio nego alice cooper
Ma meni su ti moderni pivači svi isti. |
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Posted - 11/01/2023 : 21:12:44
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quote: Originally posted by lwood
Muzika ide dalje ka i sve drugo. Da ne ide slusali bi sad svi starije stvari. Nema to veze s metalom nego opcenito. I to je dobro. Zamisli da slusamo frule.
onda bi death metal bio zadnja rupa na svirali |
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Posted - 11/01/2023 : 21:23:35
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quote: Originally posted by ŠAŠ
quote: Originally posted by lwood
Muzika ide dalje ka i sve drugo. Da ne ide slusali bi sad svi starije stvari. Nema to veze s metalom nego opcenito. I to je dobro. Zamisli da slusamo frule.
onda bi death metal bio zadnja rupa na svirali
Na stranu zajebancija, meni je onaj prvi val DM bendova bija odličan. Obituary, Pestilence, Sepultura, Death, Dismember, Entombed, Atheist... Taj đir mi je bija odličan. |
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Posted - 12/01/2023 : 07:34:27
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Pa kazen ti ja prestar si. Ako te tjesi nisan ni ja daleko od tebe,jedino sta je meni naglasak na grupama iz devedesetih. U biti mislin da i neman nijednu grupu mladju od 25 godina. |
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Posted - 12/01/2023 : 07:36:54
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Sta se tice grupe Death u top 100 albuma svih vrimena stavija bi bar 5 njihovih a vjerovatno i 6. Jedino mi Spiritual H.ne bi usa. Al ne bi ni on bija daleko.
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Posted - 12/01/2023 : 07:53:26
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Vas dvojica ste za muziku ekvivalent onoga što je Teller tu na forumu za stripove  |
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