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tinton
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Posted - 30/10/2024 : 16:07:08  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send tinton a Private Message  Reply with Quote


Nije nužno puno novoga rečeno, ali pozicija koju Harris drži prema Trumpu je praktički identična mojoj. Vrijedi poslušati.

Dajte nam Banija Libre;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)!
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wintermute
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Posted - 30/10/2024 : 16:43:03  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send wintermute a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beva
Pa vidi, puno je više takvih nego ekstremno lijevih.



Kazes... ti?

Ajde da pretpostavimo da si u pravu jer ces vec naci neki link da to "dokazes" kad primetim da ga nisi stavio uz ovu tvrdnju. Medjutim, ponovo naleces na minu relevantnosti -- 10000 sitnih terorista u nekoj statistici je mnogo manje bitno od jednog Bin Ladena...

A evo ti i primer upravo iz americke istorije:

Ti, naravno, znas da je upravo ova ista "Demokratska" partija bila za rasizam i robovlasnistvo ovde i da su odveli ameriku u gradjanski rat zbog toga? Dok su R partiju, izmedju ostalih, osnovali i bivse "demokrate" koji su bili *protiv* rasizma i ropstva te su se odcepili.

Tokom istorije R je samo ostala dosledna sebi dok su D od robovlasnika i rasista napravilli potpun preokret pa odnedavno, usled ogromne griže savesti ("white guilt"), insistiraju na raznim izvinjenjima i milionskim reparacijama ljudima cije pretke su tlacili a sto po njihovim planovima i bez ikakve postojece legalne osnove treba sada svi da placamo!? Nema gore istorijske politicke licemernosti i hipokrizije od toga ("reverse racism / discrimination" koji je i jedan od stubova i DEI pokreta).

I ne bi oni ni to radili da ne vide da su im buduci glasaci ilegalci uglavnon non-white pa se preemptivno pripremaju za slucaj kad se oni osveste i malo nauce o sistemu i istoriji. Sve se radi sa planom i namerom, teorija igara...

Zato se ja i bojim D i njihovog radikalizma. R su barem otvorena djubrad i konzistentni svojim vrednostima dok D su ista ako ne i gora djubrad koja menja platformu kako vetar duva dok se kriju iza sjajnog chrome-a. Sa R se zna na cemu si. Sa D ne. Takvi su najgori. I takvi isto vode u rat i to, zadnji put, najveci gradjanski na teritoriji USA ikad. Po meni je od tog, sve izvesnijeg, rata bolje (relativno) mirno pocepati zemlju pa neka svako ide da zivi tamo gde misli da se postuju njegove vrednosti. A onda neka buducnost pokaze koja od te dve zemlje ce biti uspesnija i u kojoj ce njeni gradjani bolje ziveti.
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wintermute
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Posted - 30/10/2024 : 17:50:58  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send wintermute a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tinton
Nije nužno puno novoga rečeno, ali pozicija koju Harris drži prema Trumpu je praktički identična mojoj. Vrijedi poslušati.



Jel' mozes da das neki TLDR? Ovaj podcast je cak 2h10m a meni je queue podcasta toliki da ovo necu stici pre izbora da pogledam osim ako me TLDR ne zainteresuje pa ga ubacim preko reda...
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tinton
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Posted - 30/10/2024 : 17:58:48  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send tinton a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Možda da živiš u Pennsylvaniji bih se potrudio, ali ovako ću te pustiti da poslušaš poslije izbora ako će ti se dati.

Dajte nam Banija Libre;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)!
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wintermute
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Posted - 30/10/2024 : 18:03:00  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send wintermute a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tinton

Možda da živiš u Pennsylvaniji bih se potrudio, ali ovako ću te pustiti da poslušaš poslije izbora ako će ti se dati.



Hm da, u pravu si...
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manhunter
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Switzerland
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Posted - 30/10/2024 : 18:29:16  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send manhunter a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Macon

quote:
Originally posted by andjusticeforall

A kako smo imali priliku vidjeti tijekom 20-og stoljeća glas za ekstremni nacionalizam vodi k:

- ratnim zločinama

- etničkom čišćenju

- genocidu





Boga ti, EKSTREMNI NACIONALIZAM. Vjerovatno te okružuju takvi koji žele pobiti sve koji nisu njihove nacionalnosti, jer je to ono što ide pod EKSTREMNI.

A srećom imamo takve kao ti, koji se BORITE za PRAVDU i NAPREDAK i protiv EKSTREMNOG nacionalizma, jer ste hrabri i pametni.



Jedno sam zaključao topic zbog vas dvojice. Sledeći put će biti i više od toga. Hvala na razumevanju.

I am legion. I do not forget. I do not forgive.

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manhunter
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Posted - 30/10/2024 : 18:44:06  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send manhunter a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by andjusticeforall


Rio Tinto oće isto to u Srbiji, a jebote Čovjekolovac napiše, pa kao ok su mi republikanci.



Kao prvo, meni je fascinantno koliko vi ovde razglabate o nekim demokratskim izborima, kad je Amerika bukvalno jednostranačka država. I jedna i druga stranka su u osnovi iste, sa nekih 20% razlike, koje ih definišu da li su levo ili desno. Samo što je u međuvremenu nestala ta klasična levica, nego su obe otišle u desno i postale ekstremističke. Ne postoji opozicija, izborni sistem je nelogičan i nema veze sa direktnom demokratijom. Sve se vrti oko novca i šefova velikih firmi, koji upravljaju i elektorima i senatorima, kao i samim izbornim procesom.
Kada bih morao da glasam, i morao da biram između dva zla, izabrao bih republikance. Ne zato što mislim da su dobri, nego zato što su možda 2% manje loši.

Kako god, Ameriku smatram državom koja definiše demokratiju kako njoj odgovara i ne mislim da to ima velike veze sa slobodnom ljudskom voljom i pravom glasa. Policija koja može da te upuca bez razloga, nikakva zaštita kad si u radnom odnosu, upitan zdravstveni sistem i zdravstveno osiguranje, nema slobodnih medija, iako se tako definišu... Ja sam navikao na nešto sasvim drugačije, ali to je moj problem...


quote:

Ako vas i plate za propagarianja tih stanovišta, onda kužim, ali ako ne, koji kurac?



Bukvalno ovo važi i za one koji podržavaju demokrate, kao i za one koji su za republikance.

I am legion. I do not forget. I do not forgive.

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Macon
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Posted - 30/10/2024 : 18:49:26  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Macon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by manhunter

Jedno sam zaključao topic zbog vas dvojice. Sledeći put će biti i više od toga. Hvala na razumevanju.



Da, samo izbori i bez osobnih napada.

Hvala za svu pozitivnost.

www.maconcomics.com
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Beva
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Posted - 30/10/2024 : 19:23:08  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Beva a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by wintermute

quote:
Originally posted by Beva
Pa vidi, puno je više takvih nego ekstremno lijevih.



Kazes... ti?



S obzirom da je andjusticeforall iz Slavonije, a Macon je rekao "Vjerovatno te okružuju takvi koji žele pobiti sve koji nisu njihove nacionalnosti", mislio sam da je samo po sebi jasno da mislim na naše ex-Yu prostore.

Jubilarni Polo 10!http://forum.stripovi.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=51213
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wintermute
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Posted - 30/10/2024 : 20:10:56  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send wintermute a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beva

quote:
Originally posted by wintermute

quote:
Originally posted by Beva
Pa vidi, puno je više takvih nego ekstremno lijevih.



Kazes... ti?



S obzirom da je andjusticeforall iz Slavonije, a Macon je rekao "Vjerovatno te okružuju takvi koji žele pobiti sve koji nisu njihove nacionalnosti", mislio sam da je samo po sebi jasno da mislim na naše ex-Yu prostore.



Nisam znao. Fair enough.

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wintermute
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Posted - 30/10/2024 : 20:12:15  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send wintermute a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by manhunter
Kada bih morao da glasam, i morao da biram između dva zla, izabrao bih republikance.



Upravo ono sto ja pisem sve vreme za moj slucaj. Ni manje ni vise.
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wintermute
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Posted - 30/10/2024 : 20:36:01  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send wintermute a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by andjusticeforall
Ako vas i plate za propagarianja tih stanovišta, onda kužim, ali ako ne, koji kurac?



Ja sam u nebrojeno poruka opsirno opisao zasto mislim da bi pobeda D znacila manje novca za mene i slicne meni tako da je to implicitno placanje. Srecom, deo novca mogu da sacuvam selidbom u R drzavu ali ako krenu da udaraju sa federalnog nivoa spasa nece biti i to ce voditi u rat ili cepanje. I o tome sam nekoliko puta pisao.

Prema tome postoji itekakav finansijski motiv ovde za nas koji zivimo u sistemu. To je *upravo* primer necega sto *ne moze* da se vidi a pogotovu oseti ako zivis van ovog sistema.
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izivko
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Posted - 30/10/2024 : 21:58:44  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send izivko a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Boli nas hašim tko će dobiti izbore. Nebitno.




Have mercy
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manhunter
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Switzerland
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Posted - 30/10/2024 : 22:23:49  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send manhunter a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Upravo to sam i napisao gore. Apsolutno je šefovima velikih firmi svejedno koja će od ove dve stranke pobediti. Kapitalizam ne priznaje stranke, nego igra po svojim pravilima.

I am legion. I do not forget. I do not forgive.

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wintermute
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Posted - 30/10/2024 : 23:26:58  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send wintermute a Private Message  Reply with Quote
"Republicans buy sneakers, too"

-- Michael Jordan
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wintermute
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Posted - 31/10/2024 : 01:35:39  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send wintermute a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Zamisli nazvati oko pola glasackog tela kojima si ujedno i predsednik djubradima.






A onda direktno laganje, back-pedalling, izvlacenje, magicni nadrealizam, smehotres...




https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1851702034178937325

Trump PR je naravno ubrzo komično iskoristio ovo:




https://x.com/greg_price11/status/1851753514944356388





Pozdrav od americkog djubretara!



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wintermute
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Posted - 31/10/2024 : 02:35:14  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send wintermute a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Tintone, sta je bre ovo u UK, poludeli sasvim tamo?

Bogami mozda cete prevazici i Kaliforniju!


https://freespeechunion.org/most-qualified-person-should-get-the-job-is-microaggression-russell-group-universities-say
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wintermute
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Posted - 31/10/2024 : 02:39:05  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send wintermute a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Signs of things to come...




https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1851715252800622699
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wintermute
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Posted - 31/10/2024 : 03:01:41  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send wintermute a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Opa, nije ovo samo zajebancija... tesko je krivotvoriti u danasnje vreme kada kamere sve snimaju... samo ispadnes glup u drustvu...


https://x.com/GOPoversight/status/1851727058251948288
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tinton
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Posted - 31/10/2024 : 06:18:43  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send tinton a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ok, u dvadesetčetirisatnom ciklusu ovo je stara vijest, ali kako nismo raspravili jučer, možemo danas.
Jasno mi je zašto će Trumpovi pristaše inzistirati da ih je Biden sve nazvao smećem - nitko se ne voli praviti žrtvom više od njih, no na njihovu žalost, Biden to nije napravio.
Iako se 'supporters' i 'supporter's' ne mogu razlikovati po zvuku (barem ne kod Bidena, a pogotovo ne u ovom slučaju), postoji nekoliko jasnih indikacija da je verzija s apostrofom ispravna:

a) Biden je rekao 'is', a ne 'are' - dakle radi se o jednoj osobi, a ne o množini koja bi uključivala sve Trumpove pristaše
b) sljedeća Bidenova rečenica počinje s 'His demonization' - ponovo se odnosi na singularnu osobu o kojoj je pričao prije. S tim da priznajem da se u kontekstu cijelog paragrafa taj 'his' može odnositi i na Trumpa, pa taj dio sam po sebi nije dovoljan dokaz.
c) U konačnici, nije u Bidenovom stilu da nazove sve glasače Trumpa smećem. On može ponekad imati neprimjerene ispade prema jednoj osobi ili nekoliko njih, ali ovako nešto bi bilo potpuno izvan karaktera.

quote:
Originally posted by wintermute

Tintone, sta je bre ovo u UK, poludeli sasvim tamo?

Bogami mozda cete prevazici i Kaliforniju!
https://freespeechunion.org/most-qualified-person-should-get-the-job-is-microaggression-russell-group-universities-say


Ma to je ovdje odavno tako. 'Moj' Exeter koji se spominje u članku je posebno problematičan (iako je moguće da to mislim jer je 'moj'). Prije par godina sam morao ispunjavati neki upitnik u kojem su mi davali razno-razne scenarije ljudskih interakcija u kojima sam trebao procijenjivati što je primjereno, a što nije. Malo je reći da je bilo bizarno.


Dajte nam Banija Libre;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)!

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Beva
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Posted - 31/10/2024 : 06:56:25  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Beva a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Arnold Schwarzenegger je objavio post zašto će kao Republikanac iz Kalifornije glasati za Harris/Walz:

I don’t really do endorsements. I’m not shy about sharing my views, but I hate politics and don’t trust most politicians.

I also understand that people want to hear from me because I am not just a celebrity, I am a former Republican Governor.

My time as Governor taught me to love policy and ignore politics. I’m proud of the work I did to help clean up our air, create jobs, balance the budget, make the biggest infrastructure investment in state history, and take power from the politicians and give it back to the people when it comes to our redistricting process and our primaries in California.

That’s policy. It requires working with the other side, not insulting them to win your next election, and I know it isn’t sexy to most people, but I love it when I can help make people’s lives better with policies, like I still do through my institute at USC, where we fight for clean air and stripping the power from the politicians who rig the system against the people.

Let me be honest with you: I don’t like either party right now. My Republicans have forgotten the beauty of the free market, driven up deficits, and rejected election results. Democrats aren’t any better at dealing with deficits, and I worry about their local policies hurting our cities with increased crime.

It is probably not a surprise that I hate politics more than ever, which, if you are a normal person who isn’t addicted to this crap, you probably understand.

I want to tune out.

But I can’t. Because rejecting the results of an election is as un-American as it gets. To someone like me who talks to people all over the world and still knows America is the shining city on a hill, calling America is a trash can for the world is so unpatriotic, it makes me furious.

And I will always be an American before I am a Republican.

That’s why, this week, I am voting for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz.

I’m sharing it with all of you because I think there are a lot of you who feel like I do. You don’t recognize our country. And you are right to be furious.

For decades, we’ve talked about the national debt. For decades, we’ve talked about comprehensive immigration reform that secures the border while fixing our broken immigration system. And Washington does nothing.

The problems just keep rolling, and we all keep getting angrier, because the only people that benefit from problems aren’t you, the people. The only people that benefit from this crap are the politicians who prefer having talking points to win elections to the public service that will make Americans’ lives better.

It is a just game to them. But it is life for my fellow Americans. We should be pissed!

But a candidate who won’t respect your vote unless it is for him, a candidate who will send his followers to storm the Capitol while he watches with a Diet Coke, a candidate who has shown no ability to work to pass any policy besides a tax cut that helped his donors and other rich people like me but helped no one else else, a candidate who thinks Americans who disagree with him are the bigger enemies than China, Russia, or North Korea - that won’t solve our problems.

It will just be four more years of bullshit with no results that makes us angrier and angrier, more divided, and more hateful.

We need to close the door on this chapter of American history, and I know that former President Trump won’t do that. He will divide, he will insult, he will find new ways to be more un-American than he already has been, and we, the people, will get nothing but more anger.

That’s enough reason for me to share my vote with all of you. I want to move forward as a country, and even though I have plenty of disagreements with their platform, I think the only way to do that is with Harris and Walz.

Vote this week. Turn the page and put this junk behind us.

And even if you disagree with me, vote, because that’s what we do as Americans. http://vote.org


https://x.com/Schwarzenegger/status/1851627802027758005

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lwood
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Posted - 31/10/2024 : 07:52:36  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send lwood a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ma da Trump dili drustvo,a Kamala ih ujedinjuje

depresivni iskompleksirani primitivac i nadrkana budala kojeg financira stari i koji sa skoro 50 godina nema ni žene ni posla.Pa naravno da je ljut na sve, a narocito na one koji su uspješni.
Jbga Lwoode nisam ti ja kriv kaj nisi uspio u životu
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Beva
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Posted - 31/10/2024 : 08:14:33  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Beva a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lwood

Ma da Trump dili drustvo,a Kamala ih ujedinjuje



OK, Trump ih ujedinjuje.

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BeaGea
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Posted - 31/10/2024 : 08:23:00  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send BeaGea a Private Message  Reply with Quote
@tintone

S obzirom da si najpouzdaniji forumaš poznavatelj političkih prilika u svijetu, reci ima li Trump ikakve šanse na ovim izborim ili je to samo halabuka njegovih plačenilkih medija?

Kažite mi, jeste li se umorili
Jesu li vas prevarili
Je l'nas vrijeme pregazilo
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lwood
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Posted - 31/10/2024 : 08:30:43  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send lwood a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beva

quote:
Originally posted by lwood

Ma da Trump dili drustvo,a Kamala ih ujedinjuje



OK, Trump ih ujedinjuje.



Ne ujedinjuje ih ni on. Al bar ne sereka da ih ujedinjuje,demokrati su veca smijurija nego republikanci

depresivni iskompleksirani primitivac i nadrkana budala kojeg financira stari i koji sa skoro 50 godina nema ni žene ni posla.Pa naravno da je ljut na sve, a narocito na one koji su uspješni.
Jbga Lwoode nisam ti ja kriv kaj nisi uspio u životu
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