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---dp---
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Posted - 05/11/2008 : 02:03:37
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quote: Originally posted by culfis
Za 1800 dinara sve mora biti bitno! Nije u redu sto se niko nadlezan i zvanican nije obratio ...nama...   Ferijev potpis mi anulira sve propuste i nedostatke i cini mi ove Zagore `ponosom` kolekcije! Cak i da prgutamo ono `radi svih godina bez stripova`, ali zar VC nije izdavacka kuca okrenuta profitu, a ne humanitarna organizacija koja poklanja stripove jer ih deceniju i po nije bilo...? Meni licno najvise smeta ova zavera cutanja od nama drage redakcije VC-a. O cemu li se ovde radi...? Verovatno da nismo cilj(a)na populacija? 
    
Meni ni potpis nije bitan, imam ih vec desetak, vec treci put sam se susreo sa Ferrijem, slikao sam se sa njime ne jednom, imam unikatne crteze od mnogih crtaca iz "Bonellija", vise sam ovog puta dosao na sajam da vidim neke ljude sa foruma. |
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Posted - 05/11/2008 : 02:06:00
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quote: Originally posted by zare80
quote: Originally posted by ---dp---
U kom pogledu je tvrdi uvez los? Los je zato sto se ne uklapa u debljinu stripa i zato sto je drugi broj visi od prvog. Izbor Laurentija za crtaca je mozda za neke losa odluka, ali nije problem u Laurentijevim koricama, ko ga voli voli, ko ne, ne mora, imamo originalne korice i to je veliki plus. Za mene je problem samo taj glow oko logoa "veseli cetvrtak" i sto su logoi po pitanju pozicije nepromenjivi, ostalo je ok. Mozda ti se vise svidja sto je plastifikacija kod "Libellusa" sjajna. Ovde je plastifikacija mat i meni je kao takva privlacnija od "Libellusove" jer izgleda luksuznije i ozbiljnije a crtez na naslovnici je vidljiviji i ne ometa ga cesto neprijatno presijavanje koje postoji kod sjajne plastifikacije kad se gleda pod odredjenim uglovima u odnosu na izvor svetla.
Nisam ni mislio na lepotu spoljnjeg izgleda koja mi nije toliko bitna. Zasto kazem da je ovo druga liga u odnosu na Libellus (upravo drzim prvu knjigu kolekcionarskog izdanja i MM:Panovu Frulu od Libellus-a): 1.Ivice tvrdih korica kod Zagora se tako lako mogu izdeformisati da je to smesno. Potreban je mali pritisak na bilo koje mesto i napravite grbu na korici. Zasto ne moze da se uradi cvrsta korica kao kod Libellus=a 2.Kad otvorite i listate Zagor-a mozete naci na gomili mesta neravnomerno vezivanje izmedju stranica koje izgleda ruzno i neprofesionalno 3.U velikom broju primeraka naslovnice strce u odnosu na ostale stranice tj. krivo su uvezane 4.Ja na sajmu nisam mogao da nadjem primerak kod koga stranica sa naslovnicama na kraju knjige nije malo slepljena sa poslednjom belom stranicom pa da kad to odlepite ne ostavi ruzni beli trag na stranici u boji. Nisam mogao je zato sto mi je posle treceg primerka dosadilo da preturam svaki broji prosto me je bilo sramota. Izem ti kolekcionarsko izdanje ako moram svaki primerak da preturim da bi nasao nesto sto je stvarno kolekcionarsko 5.Kriv povez i strip razlicite visine bas ruzno izgleda na polici ali to je vec pomenuto sto puta
Samo bih voleo da se na ovaj forum javi neko iz VC-a pa da objasni sve ove stvari. Ne mora da se ugleda na Libellus-a moze da ode i do izdanja System Comics-a.
Ali sto bi oni brinuli dok prodaja ide, brinuce kad prodaja stane. Ljubitelji stripa iz Srbije (neka me niko pogresno ne razume ja sam iz Novog Sada) koji zu bili bez stripa 20 godina zadovoljice se i ovakvim izdanjima koja su druga liga. O SC izdanjima da ne govorim.
Kao i u svakoj sferi zivota mi Srbi smo majstori da nista ne uradimo savrseno i do kraja, vec da otaljamo. Malo je falilo da upotrebim neku tezu rec, ali to mozda uradim kad budem slao email redakciji
Jedini dobitak ovog kolekcionarskog izdanja je to sto je krenulo i ponovicu, nemojte mi samo lansirati pricu o tome kao zurilo se. Ko vas je terao da radite dva broja. Uradite samo jedan ali valjano.
Ako prelistas topic malo unazad, videces da sam ja medju najvecim kriticarima ovde. Samo sam komentarisao kvalitet korica a ne onoga sto ne spada tu. |
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culfis
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Posted - 05/11/2008 : 02:09:44
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Ja sakupio godinu dana staza kao stripofil, posle prekida od 1992.-2007. ... Opirao se Boneliju ali sam na kraju po onoj Vajldovoj odoleo iskusenju tako sto sam mu se prepustio...  |
Jel to štos iz Minhena? |
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globinjo
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goksi
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Posted - 05/11/2008 : 09:09:43
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quote: Originally posted by culfis
Za 1800 dinara sve mora biti bitno!
Druže ne prodaje se strip po 1800, ni na sajmu ni posle njega. 1400 din. košta |
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Aftermath
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Posted - 05/11/2008 : 12:29:10
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Ne želim braniti VČ, ali kad ga već uspoređujete sa Libellusom, sjetite se i prvih 12 Ken Parkera koji su također bili loše uvezani i manji od ostalih. |
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NESVRSTANI
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Posted - 05/11/2008 : 13:09:32
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quote: Originally posted by Aftermath
Ne želim braniti VČ, ali kad ga već uspoređujete sa Libellusom, sjetite se i prvih 12 Ken Parkera koji su također bili loše uvezani i manji od ostalih.
Ja imam prva 32 Libellus Ken Parkera.Pročitani su više puta, sa uvezom nemam nikakvih problema,i evo upravo ih gledam, i ne vidim da je prvih 12 išta manje od ostalih. |
Doli sve stranke!!! Živili naši dušmani!!! |
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Aftermath
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Posted - 05/11/2008 : 13:15:31
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Moji su loši, ljepilo je loše, pri čitanju čudnoj krckaju i manji su od ostalih. Zamijenio sam prvih 6 sa fibrinima (jedan mi se odvojio od korica). Nije valjda da samo ja imam takve, ako treba slikat ću pa ću postaviti ovdje. |
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Tex Willer
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Posted - 05/11/2008 : 22:28:08
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quote: Originally posted by Aftermath
Moji su loši, ljepilo je loše, pri čitanju čudnoj krckaju i manji su od ostalih. Zamijenio sam prvih 6 sa fibrinima (jedan mi se odvojio od korica). Nije valjda da samo ja imam takve, ako treba slikat ću pa ću postaviti ovdje.
Meni su takvi samo 7-12,prvih 6 su o.k. I ja cu to da zamenim Fibrinim,a voleo bih da i ovde imam sta da zamenim,pa da od trojke krene kako valja. |
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REJS
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Posted - 05/11/2008 : 23:17:20
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citam stripove aktivno 25 godina a pre toga sam gledao slike,a jednu stvar ne mogu da shvatim.kako to da vam se stalno raspadaju stripovi.pre sam primetio da su se zalili na ludens pa na ove prve kenove pa ovo pa ono.meni se nisu raspadali ni kada su imali ono dubre od poveza krajem devedesetih.imam utisak da neki spavaju sa stripovima a kazu da ih pazljivo citaju.inace od malena sam znao kako da drzim strip dok citam a nisam nikada bio opterecen sa tim jednostavno to treba znati,ili ne moze slon da radi u prodavnici stakla.u sustini sam kriticar i vise me nervira los otisak koji stalno postoji pa i u kenu je na par mesta u pocetku prisutan a svi ga nesto hvale.a sto se tice poveza sami ste krivi. |
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goksi
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Posted - 05/11/2008 : 23:28:07
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quote: Originally posted by Tex Willer
Meni su takvi samo 7-12,prvih 6 su o.k.
Zar ti ne reče da VČ treba da pita one što znaju,kad ono ti imaš brdo njihovih faličnih? |
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Collector
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Posted - 05/11/2008 : 23:51:54
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quote: Originally posted by goksi
quote: Originally posted by Tex Willer
Meni su takvi samo 7-12,prvih 6 su o.k.
Zar ti ne reče da VČ treba da pita one što znaju,kad ono ti imaš brdo njihovih faličnih?
A ti kupi i njih pa uporedi! Ovo je veoma nezahvalno, upoređivati izdanja dva izdavača i terati u nedogled! Da i zato što su loši, doživeli su reizdanje. Takođe imaj u vidu da su to izdanja iz 2004. i 2005. godine, koju su se poboljšala! Možda se tebi dopada izdanje Zagora, tvoje pravo! Ali koliko vidim samo komentarišeš ono što tebi odgovara! Ovde niko nikoga ne pljuje nego pokušavamo jednostavno da iznesemo šta NIJE DOBRO. Jer stvari koje su ovde argumentovane ne treba da se pojave u bilo kom izdanju, bilo kog junaka, bilo kog izdavača! Kod kiosk izdanja nemam zamerki, jer ne očekuješ da su odrađena savršeno, ali ovo je kolekcionarsko izdanje sa tiražom od 500 komada, i samom svojom cenom mora da ispuni očekivanja! |
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goksi
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Posted - 05/11/2008 : 23:55:40
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Ja ih nigde nisam upoređivao. Sve si potpuno pogrešno shvatio. Ko ti kaže da ovo neće doživeti reizdanje? Moj post se odnosio na samo pojedine rečenice iz kritika pojedinih i ništa više, ne i na suštinu, ti si taj koji je iskoristio priliku da još jednom popljuje sve. |
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Collector
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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 00:06:18
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Pa jeste! Ja sam baš loš što hoću kvalitet za svoje pare! I eto nema šta da radim drugo nego "pljujem" izdavače po forumu! Ti si zadovoljan ja nisam, i da završimo na tome! |
Edited by - Collector on 06/11/2008 00:16:40 |
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skviki
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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 00:06:25
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He, he, he. Ovo se super prodalo zato sto je na sajam dolazio Ferri. Videcemo kako ce ici treci broj ako bude istog kvaliteta kao ova dva krsha. A to sto se niko iz firme ovde ne oglasava potvrdjuje da smo mi koji kritikujemo apsolutno u pravu. Pobegli su u rupu kao mishevi. |
Bolje je biti bogat nego ne biti !!! |
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skviki
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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 00:08:57
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quote: Originally posted by Collector
Pa jeste! Ja sam baš loš što hoću kvalitet za svoje pare! I eto nema šta da radim drugo nego "pljuem" izdavače po forumu! Ti si zadovoljan ja nisam, i da završimo na tome!
Ajde nas dvojica da otkupimo pravo i da stampamo u Metalografu. Mislim da bi bolje ispalo od ovoga.    |
Bolje je biti bogat nego ne biti !!! |
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skviki
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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 00:11:14
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quote: Originally posted by REJS
inace od malena sam znao kako da drzim strip dok citam a nisam nikada bio opterecen sa tim jednostavno to treba znati.
Kada si slobodan da dodjem malo na obuku za pravilno drzanje stripa u toku citanja ?  |
Bolje je biti bogat nego ne biti !!! |
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Collector
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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 00:20:50
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quote: Originally posted by skviki
quote: Originally posted by Collector
Pa jeste! Ja sam baš loš što hoću kvalitet za svoje pare! I eto nema šta da radim drugo nego "pljuem" izdavače po forumu! Ti si zadovoljan ja nisam, i da završimo na tome!
Ajde nas dvojica da otkupimo pravo i da stampamo u Metalografu. Mislim da bi bolje ispalo od ovoga.   
Kad bi to izašlo iz Metalografa ne znam baš na šta bi ličilo!?  Zidni kalendar!? |
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Tex Willer
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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 01:19:07
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quote: Originally posted by goksi
Ja ih nigde nisam upoređivao. Sve si potpuno pogrešno shvatio. Ko ti kaže da ovo neće doživeti reizdanje? Moj post se odnosio na samo pojedine rečenice iz kritika pojedinih i ništa više, ne i na suštinu, ti si taj koji je iskoristio priliku da još jednom popljuje sve.
Razlike u propustima izmedju ova dva izdavaca su ogromne. Kod Kena je nesto hrapavija korica na ovim 7-12 i krckaju ko sto rece Aftermath. Ali,nemaju razlike u visini,krivo lepljene unutrasnje naslovne,nedostatak (ko sto je neko prebrojao) 70 z i sve ostalo sto su ovde ljudi nabrajali. E da,da li ti nesto znas o reizdanju? Eto vidis,ja cu prvi to da kupim,ako ga bude bilo. I onda lepo nastavim da uzimam dalje. Ali ne vidim da se neko oglasio da to objavi. Jedino ako ti nisi dobro upucen pa znas nesto sto mi ne znamo? I zasto ovo dozivljavas toliko licno kao da si i sam ucestvovao u izradi ovog "kolekcionarskog" Zagora? Imas neku funkciju u VC?
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goksi
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teller
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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 11:56:43
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Juče gledao i ne kupio Zagor kolekciju. Ništa mi nije toliko zasmetalo, kao preširok hrbat za oba izdanja, šteta što se išlo na lošiji papir. Ako treči broj bude kako valja počinjem sa kupovinom.(uzeču i prva dva). Valjda se ipak nešto sluša i forumaše ili smo pič...n dim. Nije ni tako loše, ali može bolje. VČ je to sposoban.Ostala kiosk izdanja sve pohvale-super. |
CITAJTE TELLERA,... DA BI POSTALI BOLJI LJUDI! STRIP JUNAK KOJI UCI POŠTENJU I PRAVDI!
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REJS
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Posted - 07/11/2008 : 01:10:11
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Hoće li biti ovog izdanja na CRŠ-u. Ako netko zna. Hvala
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COUNT ZERO INTERRUPT an interrupt of a process decrements a counter to zero
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