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karven
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Posted - 19/11/2009 : 11:38:29
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Za mene nema nikakvu vrednost ako neko ne ume da crta sa svojim stilom vec kopira Ferija. Uostalom, i Teksa ne crtaju Vila, Fusko ili bilo ko drugi kako je crtao Galep, svi imaju svoj stil crtanja koji je nekome bolji ili losiji. Kada neko crta Zagija kopirajuci Ferijev stil to je nula od umetnika. Jedno je postovati vizuelna resenja Zagora, Cika itd, a drugo je praviti plagijate. |
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Ultras
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Posted - 19/11/2009 : 13:29:42
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quote: Originally posted by Kit Carson
Ja samo ne razumem zasto je nesto kopiranje ako neko crta Zagora onako kako je zamisljen. Svasta!
    
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kandraks
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Posted - 19/11/2009 : 13:30:54
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kasper
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Posted - 19/11/2009 : 13:34:35
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Nije mi jasno profesionalno, kako se iko moze zadovoljiti time da bude kopija. Mala bedna kopija velikana. Nema ni Rubijija u planu za sledecu godinu, sada vidim... dno dna. |
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kandraks
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Posted - 19/11/2009 : 15:03:47
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Mozda crta neki Maxi... |
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realist
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Posted - 19/11/2009 : 15:44:28
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quote: Originally posted by kasper
Nije mi jasno profesionalno, kako se iko moze zadovoljiti time da bude kopija. Mala bedna kopija velikana. Nema ni Rubijija u planu za sledecu godinu, sada vidim... dno dna.
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Kit Carson
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Posted - 19/11/2009 : 15:47:40
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quote: Originally posted by realist
quote: Originally posted by kasper
Nije mi jasno profesionalno, kako se iko moze zadovoljiti time da bude kopija. Mala bedna kopija velikana. Nema ni Rubijija u planu za sledecu godinu, sada vidim... dno dna.
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kasper
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Posted - 19/11/2009 : 15:52:37
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quote: Originally posted by realist
quote: Originally posted by kasper
Nije mi jasno profesionalno, kako se iko moze zadovoljiti time da bude kopija. Mala bedna kopija velikana. Nema ni Rubijija u planu za sledecu godinu, sada vidim... dno dna.
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Rick
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Posted - 19/11/2009 : 16:31:12
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quote: Originally posted by ---dp---
Kad ste tako vajni strucnjaci, sto onda ne kazete koliko ostali kradu od Ferrija????? Ili ste totalni slepci? Pa Ferrija su kopirali svi koji su imalo podsecali na njega stilom ili se bar trudili u tome - Bignoti, Toricelli, Verni, i to se vidi sa kilometra, a i jos neki drugi, nesto manje primetno. Utoliko je veca velicina Donatellija koji je bio potpuno originalalan a Zagor je ostao Zagor
Bignotijev stil u Mister Nou i Zagoru se neznatno razlikuje, takodje je konstantan, što potvrdjuje njegovu stilsku opredeljenost. Toricelli je na početku karijere kopirao Ferija "do bola", ali i stalno unosio neke svoje elemente, što je postalo i očigledno u priči o potopu u Darkvudu. Vernijev stil je sinonim za reč imitacija. Daleko od toga da ne poštujem njegov rad, u najmanju ruku zato što je neko ko Zagora obožava. Sa druge strane, Nuccio ima dosta manjkavosti kada su u pitanju anatomija i perspektiva. Njegova dobra strana je odnos svetlo-tamno, ali je, ipak, za klasu ispod pomenutih Bignotija i Toricellija. |
"Duh Sa Sekirom nikada nije zaista napustio Darkwood. I dalje pazi na svoje kraljevstvo i nasledje. I ponekad se javi, kao pozdrav, ili opomena, kako kome." |
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King Warrior
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Posted - 19/11/2009 : 17:27:38
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quote: Originally posted by kasper
Nije mi jasno profesionalno, kako se iko moze zadovoljiti time da bude kopija. Mala bedna kopija velikana.
raspravljali smo o tome vec 10000000 puta. Nije kopija, ali se treba drzati nekih stvari da bi se vidjelo da se radi o istom junaku. Ili ti je mozda draze kao Chiarolla, crta nekog novog junaka koji nema veze sa Zagorom.Gdje bi dosli da svaki crtac iznosi svoju viziju jednog junaka |
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Bruce Springsteen
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Posted - 19/11/2009 : 17:29:38
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quote: Originally posted by Rick
quote: Originally posted by ---dp---
Kad ste tako vajni strucnjaci, sto onda ne kazete koliko ostali kradu od Ferrija????? Ili ste totalni slepci? Pa Ferrija su kopirali svi koji su imalo podsecali na njega stilom ili se bar trudili u tome - Bignoti, Toricelli, Verni, i to se vidi sa kilometra, a i jos neki drugi, nesto manje primetno. Utoliko je veca velicina Donatellija koji je bio potpuno originalalan a Zagor je ostao Zagor
Bignotijev stil u Mister Nou i Zagoru se neznatno razlikuje, takodje je konstantan, što potvrdjuje njegovu stilsku opredeljenost. Toricelli je na početku karijere kopirao Ferija "do bola", ali i stalno unosio neke svoje elemente, što je postalo i očigledno u priči o potopu u Darkvudu. Vernijev stil je sinonim za reč imitacija. Daleko od toga da ne poštujem njegov rad, u najmanju ruku zato što je neko ko Zagora obožava. Sa druge strane, Nuccio ima dosta manjkavosti kada su u pitanju anatomija i perspektiva. Njegova dobra strana je odnos svetlo-tamno, ali je, ipak, za klasu ispod pomenutih Bignotija i Toricellija.
Uglavnom se slažem Normalno je da su u početku svi kopirali Ferria Bignotti je to očigledno radio za razliku od Donatellia, i to se najbolje vidi u "Oluja nad Hajitiem", dok je M.Noa podigo na jedan viši nivo i od samog Ferria Međutim Torricelli je dobro radio na Zagoru u početku, dok je kasnije donekle izgradio svoj stil, ali u svom najnovijem radu u Specijalu br. 20 (imao sam prilike da listam original) je po meni očajan. Što se tiče "Potopa u Darkwoodu" ta priča je crtana u zajedničkoj saradnji Torriccellia i Pepea, pa zbog toga je i crtež takav kakav je (meni sasvim OK) Najočitia kopija je svakako Verniev crtež, i bio bi skoro identičan da ima više dinamičnosti, slobode linija i naravno one mračne atmosfere kada je to potrebno Nuccio mi je još nepoznanica, jer na osnovu ovih radnih tabli ne mogu da sudim o njemu, jedino da je primetno da ima problema sa proporcijom deonjeg i gornjeg dela tela, ako to otkloni u budućnosti može biti apsolutno No.1 Zagorov crtač Ovako trenutno bez sumlje to je Della Monica, koji je zadržao osobenosti originalnog Ferrievog Zagora, ali ni trunčice nije podlego kopiranju
EDIT: Naravno, apsolutno nisam protiv nazovi "kopiranja", jer Zagor treba da bude u osnovi kakvog ga je stvorio Ferri, i to je to |
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kasper
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Posted - 19/11/2009 : 17:32:36
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
raspravljali smo o tome vec 10000000 puta. Nije kopija, ali se treba drzati nekih stvari da bi se vidjelo da se radi o istom junaku. Ili ti je mozda draze kao Chiarolla, crta nekog novog junaka koji nema veze sa Zagorom.Gdje bi dosli da svaki crtac iznosi svoju viziju jednog junaka [/quote]
Chiarolla ima muda. Moze da bude najgori, najnajnajnaj, da mu proklinju crteze jos hiljadama godina, da je pasce najgore na ovaj svet.... on je Chiarolla. Ja se ne bavim ovde kako treba crtati Zagora.. nego kako neko moze da bude zadovoljan bednom kopijom necega. Evo vidi.. izgleda da ode Dela Monica.. samo sam se ja potresao.. ljudi ovde slave samo te kopije. Teo bih malo da proniknem gde je problem... meni je to problem.. i to veliki. Jebes Monicu imamo loshe kopije.
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---dp---
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Posted - 19/11/2009 : 18:02:59
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Ne mogu se porediti Nuccio i Toricelli. Nuccio je nacrtao tek jednu pricu a Toricelli crta Zagora vec cetvrt veka. Polako ljudi... sacekajte da vidite sta ce ispasti od njega nakon nekoliko nacrtanih prica, tek onda mozemo govriti o tome. Da su Bignotti i Toricelli mogli da kopiraju Ferrija kao Nuccio, oni bi to uradili, ali nisu mogli. No, kako rekoh, videcemo sta ce ispasti od Nuccia |
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Archy
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Posted - 19/11/2009 : 21:18:14
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Što se tiče kopiranja, je li netko pomislio da u SBE primaju crtače koji imaju stil sličan već postojećim? Npr., ako Verni dobro pogađa Ferrija da su ga upravo zbog toga i primili? |
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kandraks
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Posted - 19/11/2009 : 21:36:23
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Archy, odlicna pretpostavka! |
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jasa
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Posted - 19/11/2009 : 22:51:31
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quote: Originally posted by Archy
Što se tiče kopiranja, je li netko pomislio da u SBE primaju crtače koji imaju stil sličan već postojećim? Npr., ako Verni dobro pogađa Ferrija da su ga upravo zbog toga i primili?
Ja mislim da su primili Vernija jer dobro pogađa Kjarolu. |
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cronos six
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Posted - 19/11/2009 : 22:57:29
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ja mislim da su kojim slucajem bane kerac i branko plavsic upali u bonelli staf,sigurno bi imali bolje zagorove crtace od ovih novijih. ustvari,bane i branko su to zaobisli na vreme.   |
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Posted - 19/11/2009 : 23:24:13
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Marchello mi je bio izvrstan. DellaMonica mi je odličan. Cassaro je...ha u Demonskj knjizi je pogodio stvar, a u ostalom i ne baš. najmanje njega volim. |
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Mhejl
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Posted - 20/11/2009 : 09:43:47
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Vrijeme je da i ja dam svoje mišljenje, kao član Zagorovog klana... Mene najviše nervira što je Nuccio stekao veoma dobar glas među Zagor fanovima, koji ga kuju u zvijezde i proglašavaju ''naslednikom'', a da za svo ovo vrijeme nije nacrtao nijednu priču! Takvo kreiranje mišljenja je prilično neozbiljno. I sami znate da postoje legije crtača koji znaju da nacrtaju lijepe plakata i pojedinačne crteže, dok u su u samom stripu prilično loši! Ove table koje je Kandraks postavio su mi samo učvrstile mišljenje. Uvijek mi je problem da nađem riječi koje bi opisale crtež, ali na ovim tablama se vidi neka vrsta ''izvještačenosti'', neka aura plagijata. Likovi prilično loše izgledaju (meni i ne liče toliko na Ferijeve), crtež je neprirodno 'čist' i sterilan, i, sve u svemu, ovo je jako loše! Dp je djelimično u pravu kada kaže da crtači treba da poštuju originalni izgled lika, ali ovo je čisto kopiranje! I da, Piccineli će uvijek biti bolji crtač od Nuccia, premda mu se Zagor u nekim stvarimna razlikuje od Ferijevog. Očito je zašto su u Zagorovu posadu primili Vernija i Nuccia. Pokušavaju da učvrste prodaju putem nostalgije za starim vremenima, pa otuda imamo Ferijeve kopirante, stalna vraćanja starih neprijatelja i još puno toga... Ali, serijal neće opstati na temelju nostalgije (i takvi čitaoci mogu odustati), već na temelju kvalitetnih priča.
Nadajmo se da je Buratini svjestan toga. |
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kasper
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Posted - 20/11/2009 : 09:57:06
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quote: Originally posted by Mhejl Pokušavaju da učvrste prodaju putem nostalgije za starim vremenima, pa otuda imamo Ferijeve kopirante, stalna vraćanja starih neprijatelja i još puno toga... Ali, serijal neće opstati na temelju nostalgije (i takvi čitaoci mogu odustati), već na temelju kvalitetnih priča.
Nadajmo se da je Buratini svjestan toga.
Citajte sta pametan covek napisa. Ovo oko Bureta sam pesimist, skeptik. Kao sef Zagorovog stafa izgleda da je dopustio da ode prakticno jedan od retkih sto vredi. Sem toga on je te ljude kopije primio u tim. |
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karven
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Posted - 20/11/2009 : 10:43:37
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quote: Originally posted by ---dp---
Da su Bignotti i Toricelli mogli da kopiraju Ferrija kao Nuccio, oni bi to uradili, ali nisu mogli.
ti to ozbiljno ili...? Jel stvarno mislis da crtaci po ceo dan gledaju Ferrijeve table, pokusavaju da ih kopiraju i stipkaju se za bradavice?? Par plagijatora bez svog stila i licnog pecata skidaju Ferijeve poteze jer nemaju svoje, a pravi talentovani crtaci napustaju Zagora jer ne zele da ih pamte kao indigo papir, a osnovna mana Zagor fanova je da misle da je Feri centar sveta. E pa majstor ce pre ili kasnije umreti (cista biologija), a stvarno vam zelim da vam ostanu ove kopir masine i niko drugi,jer tako zelite. |
All is one in Darkseid. This mighty body is my church. When I command your surrender, I speak with three billion voices. When I make a fist to crush your resistance. It is with three billion hands. |
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piquet
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Posted - 20/11/2009 : 10:52:50
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quote: Originally posted by Mhejl
Vrijeme je da i ja dam svoje mišljenje, kao član Zagorovog klana... Mene najviše nervira što je Nuccio stekao veoma dobar glas među Zagor fanovima, koji ga kuju u zvijezde i proglašavaju ''naslednikom'', a da za svo ovo vrijeme nije nacrtao nijednu priču!
bile su table iz ove priče u zagrebu na cršu pred koju godinu...nuccio je odličan. |
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Posted - 20/11/2009 : 11:05:26
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quote: Originally posted by kasper
quote: Originally posted by Mhejl Pokušavaju da učvrste prodaju putem nostalgije za starim vremenima, pa otuda imamo Ferijeve kopirante, stalna vraćanja starih neprijatelja i još puno toga... Ali, serijal neće opstati na temelju nostalgije (i takvi čitaoci mogu odustati), već na temelju kvalitetnih priča.
Nadajmo se da je Buratini svjestan toga.
Citajte sta pametan covek napisa. Ovo oko Bureta sam pesimist, skeptik. Kao sef Zagorovog stafa izgleda da je dopustio da ode prakticno jedan od retkih sto vredi. Sem toga on je te ljude kopije primio u tim.
Znas koliko bi se Zagorovih stripova prodavalo i ovde i u Italiji kad ga ne bi kupovali nostalgicati? Pa jedno 200 primeraka (ukupno ovde i u Italiji) |
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Posted - 20/11/2009 : 11:06:33
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poslje svih tih razprava, sreča samo da o naslednjiku Ferrija nečemo mi odlućivat.... več netko....pa nadam se.....pametniji. ali kad več...kako dokazati da su oni plagiatori?možda je to njihov osobni stil crtanja? koji su to vrstni crtači zbog tih plagiatora več napustili Zagor staff?Andreucci ga je zbog Dampira a ne Vernia ili Nucia.Ovaj zadnji je spor za crtat kažu,ali zar baš takav nije možda najbolji za naslovnice?I kako netko reče, možda je uvijet da se primi u Zagor staff baš taj da crtaćki najviše sliče majstoru?I dok se Zagor u Italiji dobro prodaje zahvaljujuči kao i kod nas najviše nostalgiji i manje kvalitetnim pričama, zašto ubijati i tu nostalgiju?Ko garantira kad se ubije nostalgija(Ferrijev stil)i poboljša scenarij veču prodaju?Manje više lupamo bez veze, ionako mi ne odlučujemo ništa i onda povišeni tonovi su u vjetar.Prepustimo odluku Bonelliju(verovatno samo njemu i možda Ferriju)i nadajmo se da Ferri nastavi sa u zadnje vrijeme odlićnim naslovnicama, pa i crtežem.A kad dođe...... opet se možemo nadat.Mi smo sitne ribe pa bili 100 puta takvi Zagor fanovi. |
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Posted - 20/11/2009 : 11:13:07
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quote: Originally posted by karven
quote: Originally posted by ---dp---
Da su Bignotti i Toricelli mogli da kopiraju Ferrija kao Nuccio, oni bi to uradili, ali nisu mogli.
ti to ozbiljno ili...? Jel stvarno mislis da crtaci po ceo dan gledaju Ferrijeve table, pokusavaju da ih kopiraju i stipkaju se za bradavice?? Par plagijatora bez svog stila i licnog pecata skidaju Ferijeve poteze jer nemaju svoje, a pravi talentovani crtaci napustaju Zagora jer ne zele da ih pamte kao indigo papir, a osnovna mana Zagor fanova je da misle da je Feri centar sveta. E pa majstor ce pre ili kasnije umreti (cista biologija), a stvarno vam zelim da vam ostanu ove kopir masine i niko drugi,jer tako zelite.
Sta pricas bre? Ko spominje druge crtace, kazem za Toricellija i Bignotija u slucaju crtanja Zagora. Kome nije ocigledno da su kopirali Ferrija onda je taj slep. Cim se spomene Ferri, onda zagoromrsci misle da oni koji o njemu pisu afirmativno ne citaju nista osim Zagora. Svasta. Citaj pazljivije i nemoj izvlaciti zakljucke bez osnova |
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