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supermark
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Posted - 18/10/2013 : 18:00:20
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quote: Originally posted by DeeCay
Alene, u pravi si i ja sam tako reagirao. Nego pročitaj i anotacije iz onog dodatka na kraju... Prava mala detaljna dizertacija na temu. Baš ultimativno djelo i izdanje.
po meni, puno bolje ih je čitati za vrijeme čitanja samog stripa tako sam ja, pratio usporedno i bilješke i strip
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Poli
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DeeCay
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Posted - 18/10/2013 : 22:40:54
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Ma čitao sam ja bilješke prije, tijekom i nakon čitanja stripa... Stripčina i po, jednim zamahom te može skratiti za glavu. |
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noemis
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Posted - 18/10/2013 : 22:47:45
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kakve su to beleske na kraju, je l to from hell companion pridodat uz strip? |
"Ja se mnogo bojim ljudi koji hoce da usrece narod... ...niko nema prava da silom svog suseda cini srecnim." |
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DeeCay
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Posted - 18/10/2013 : 23:04:46
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quote: Originally posted by noemis
kakve su to beleske na kraju, je l to from hell companion pridodat uz strip?
Očito, jer su prave anotacije, bilješke opisanu po svakoj vinjeti; vrlo, vrlo detaljno. Unutra je stavio i svoje istraživanja backgrounda. |
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noemis
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Posted - 18/10/2013 : 23:17:02
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quote: Originally posted by DeeCay
quote: Originally posted by noemis
kakve su to beleske na kraju, je l to from hell companion pridodat uz strip?
Očito, jer su prave anotacije, bilješke opisanu po svakoj vinjeti; vrlo, vrlo detaljno. Unutra je stavio i svoje istraživanja backgrounda.
extra, ne cudi me onda "debljina" stripa... vidim na amazonu da companion ima 288 strana, na koliko je to zbijeno u fibrinom izdanju? |
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DeeCay
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Posted - 18/10/2013 : 23:55:53
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64 dodaci, ukupno 572 stranice... |
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noemis
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Posted - 19/10/2013 : 00:02:23
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quote: Originally posted by DeeCay
64 dodaci, ukupno 572 stranice...
288 stana je stalo na 64?! jesi li ti siguran za companion? |
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DeeCay
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Posted - 19/10/2013 : 00:08:57
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Da, gledam sad na netu; ovaj From hell companion izgleda sadržajniji. Ako markos čita ovaj topic mogao bi reći koje je točno izdanje ovo koje je on izdao. U Fibrinom su kao dva dodatka, na 64 stranice ukupno, prvi su Mooreove anotacije, drugi strip Prevarantsko kolo o ripperologiji...
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Markos
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going going
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Posted - 20/11/2013 : 16:44:13
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Procitao sam strip, u Darkvudovom izdanju, ali posto je ovo topik o tom stripu ovde cu da ostavim komentar.
Vrlo tezak i mucan strip, koji je radjen sa mnogo paznje, za ovo cudo je Muru trebalo skoro 10 godina da ga napise! I iako je ta atmosfera teskobna, vuce te da ga citas dalje i da vidis sta ce na kraju da se desi. Svidja mi se kako je zavrseno poslednje poglavlje i epilog ali posle toga kao slag na tortu dolazi onaj dodatak ,,Loivci na galebove" to je ,,pravo razjasnjenje" price, a to je da smo propustili priliku da shvatimo zasto se to desilo.
Citao sam na wikipediji o Murovom zivotu, kako je prodavao i koristio LSD i kako je sebe proglasio za carobnjaka, ali moram da se slozim sa jednom recenicom koju je rekao a to je da sadasnji sistem {mislim na sveukupni sistem i skolstva i obrazovanja} od dece priprema da stvori poslusne robove koji su uvek tacni i na vreme stizu svugde i koji su prihvatili monotniju u zivotu. Evo kako je on to rekao na engleskom: that was designed to indoctrinate children with "punctuality, obedience and the acceptance of monotony" |
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Timber Bil
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Posted - 20/11/2013 : 20:11:50
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quote: Originally posted by going going
Procitao sam strip, u Darkvudovom izdanju, ali posto je ovo topik o tom stripu ovde cu da ostavim komentar.
Vrlo tezak i mucan strip, koji je radjen sa mnogo paznje, za ovo cudo je Muru trebalo skoro 10 godina da ga napise! I iako je ta atmosfera teskobna, vuce te da ga citas dalje i da vidis sta ce na kraju da se desi. Svidja mi se kako je zavrseno poslednje poglavlje i epilog ali posle toga kao slag na tortu dolazi onaj dodatak ,,Loivci na galebove" to je ,,pravo razjasnjenje" price, a to je da smo propustili priliku da shvatimo zasto se to desilo.
Citao sam na wikipediji o Murovom zivotu, kako je prodavao i koristio LSD i kako je sebe proglasio za carobnjaka, ali moram da se slozim sa jednom recenicom koju je rekao a to je da sadasnji sistem {mislim na sveukupni sistem i skolstva i obrazovanja} od dece priprema da stvori poslusne robove koji su uvek tacni i na vreme stizu svugde i koji su prihvatili monotniju u zivotu. Evo kako je on to rekao na engleskom: that was designed to indoctrinate children with "punctuality, obedience and the acceptance of monotony"
P u čemu je problem ako si pedantan i stižeš na vreme? Zar treba da kasnimo, mrzim takve ljude. |
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mamlaz
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Posted - 20/11/2013 : 20:20:11
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apatija. najveci problem mladih danas. ps. timbere drz se drveca ako ne shvacas o cemu se prica. kakvo kasnjenje???!? |
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cronos six
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Posted - 20/11/2013 : 21:26:29
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quote: Originally posted by Timber Bil
quote: Originally posted by going going
Procitao sam strip, u Darkvudovom izdanju, ali posto je ovo topik o tom stripu ovde cu da ostavim komentar.
Vrlo tezak i mucan strip, koji je radjen sa mnogo paznje, za ovo cudo je Muru trebalo skoro 10 godina da ga napise! I iako je ta atmosfera teskobna, vuce te da ga citas dalje i da vidis sta ce na kraju da se desi. Svidja mi se kako je zavrseno poslednje poglavlje i epilog ali posle toga kao slag na tortu dolazi onaj dodatak ,,Loivci na galebove" to je ,,pravo razjasnjenje" price, a to je da smo propustili priliku da shvatimo zasto se to desilo.
Citao sam na wikipediji o Murovom zivotu, kako je prodavao i koristio LSD i kako je sebe proglasio za carobnjaka, ali moram da se slozim sa jednom recenicom koju je rekao a to je da sadasnji sistem {mislim na sveukupni sistem i skolstva i obrazovanja} od dece priprema da stvori poslusne robove koji su uvek tacni i na vreme stizu svugde i koji su prihvatili monotniju u zivotu. Evo kako je on to rekao na engleskom: that was designed to indoctrinate children with "punctuality, obedience and the acceptance of monotony"
P u čemu je problem ako si pedantan i stižeš na vreme? Zar treba da kasnimo, mrzim takve ljude.
treba,tjtrebalo je mnogo ranije...sad vec kasnimo.
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Timber Bil
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Posted - 21/11/2013 : 13:46:17
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quote: Originally posted by mamlaz
apatija. najveci problem mladih danas. ps. timbere drz se drveca ako ne shvacas o cemu se prica. kakvo kasnjenje???!?
Mislim da sam shvatio, ali pojasni mi šta misliš da je Mur hteo da kaze. |
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going going
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Posted - 21/11/2013 : 14:14:34
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Ja mislim da je Mur hteo da kaze da nas programiraju kao masine ili kao robove i da nemamo nikakvu slobodu nego nam je sve zacrtano i odredjeno u datim okvirima i nema da se gleda izvan toga. Ja mislim
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mr murdoc
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Posted - 18/02/2014 : 17:50:10
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Kupih DW izdanje i mada sam ga vec citao na engleskom i njemackom..uhhhh..sve mi se opet vraca. Ovdje se nesumljivo radi o remek djelu stripa koji je iskoracio sam iz sebe i stvorio jedan novi i nenasluceno ogroman prostor ali i breme za autore koje dolaze. Citajuci ovaj strip i poniruci u njegovu dubinu citalac mora zagrebati po svom osobnom plicaku za kojeg je mislio da je ocean i shvatiti da strip kao medij nije samo razonoda vec i vrlo ozbiljna umjetnost lisena svake sumnje i svake plastifikacije. Pakao je uistinu genijalstina koja je iz mitova stvorila alkemiju i onda je ondje i vratila. Igra sunca i mjeseca je naravno kljucna..

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mr murdoc
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Posted - 18/02/2014 : 18:26:40
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quote: Originally posted by going going
Ja mislim da je Mur hteo da kaze da nas programiraju kao masine ili kao robove i da nemamo nikakvu slobodu nego nam je sve zacrtano i odredjeno u datim okvirima i nema da se gleda izvan toga. Ja mislim
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mr murdoc
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Posted - 18/02/2014 : 18:31:29
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quote: Originally posted by Timber Bil
quote: Originally posted by mamlaz
apatija. najveci problem mladih danas. ps. timbere drz se drveca ako ne shvacas o cemu se prica. kakvo kasnjenje???!?
Mislim da sam shvatio, ali pojasni mi šta misliš da je Mur hteo da kaze.
Da ceprkas po plicaku , a brijes da si na otvorenom moru, da se povijest ponavlja , da mitologija nije mit, da nisi onaj koji jesi..i naposljetku da neznas citati strip ako nije zagor  |
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mr murdoc
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Posted - 19/02/2014 : 16:38:10
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quote: Originally posted by trolodtroje
quote: [..i naposljetku da neznas citati strip ako nije zagor 
zagor nije samo strip ... je više nego strip.
Za mene Zagor je dio djetinjstva..veliki dio..no danas iskreno je samo ikona i oltar proslih vremena. Strip evoluira..jer je ziv i jer je smislen..on se nastavlja na n-tu.. Osobno ne sudim one koje su na toj infinitivnoj krivulji zastali iz bilo kojih razloga..dapace, da nije njih ne bi bilo ni stripa. Ja pak jasem dalje u susret nekoj suncem ili mjesecinom okupanoj plazi..jer ja sam onaj koji jesam. |
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Posted - 19/02/2014 : 18:25:11
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quote: Originally posted by mr murdoc
quote: Originally posted by trolodtroje
quote: [..i naposljetku da neznas citati strip ako nije zagor 
zagor nije samo strip ... je više nego strip.
Za mene Zagor je dio djetinjstva..veliki dio..no danas iskreno je samo ikona i oltar proslih vremena. Strip evoluira..jer je ziv i jer je smislen..on se nastavlja na n-tu.. Osobno ne sudim one koje su na toj infinitivnoj krivulji zastali iz bilo kojih razloga..dapace, da nije njih ne bi bilo ni stripa. Ja pak jasem dalje u susret nekoj suncem ili mjesecinom okupanoj plazi..jer ja sam onaj koji jesam.
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Posted - 19/02/2014 : 19:10:08
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quote: Originally posted by izivko
quote: Originally posted by mr murdoc
quote: Originally posted by trolodtroje
quote: [..i naposljetku da neznas citati strip ako nije zagor 
zagor nije samo strip ... je više nego strip.
Za mene Zagor je dio djetinjstva..veliki dio..no danas iskreno je samo ikona i oltar proslih vremena. Strip evoluira..jer je ziv i jer je smislen..on se nastavlja na n-tu.. Osobno ne sudim one koje su na toj infinitivnoj krivulji zastali iz bilo kojih razloga..dapace, da nije njih ne bi bilo ni stripa. Ja pak jasem dalje u susret nekoj suncem ili mjesecinom okupanoj plazi..jer ja sam onaj koji jesam.
Jahve
Naravno..ali se ovo vise odnosilo na Umberto Eco-Fukovo klatno ..i preispitivanje i trazenje i glad i zed i nesanicu.. |
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mr murdoc
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Posted - 25/02/2014 : 20:25:07
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Ples lovca na galeba je zametanje tragova i urok protiv omena.. Istina jednom izrecena i od pojedinaca shvacena ce uvijek biti svjetlo u mrezi lovcevoj.. Ovaj strip je remek djelo. |
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